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| Topic | Do you think Jesus was married or had kids? |
| Sahuagin 11/30/21 2:19:29 AM #21: | Lokarin posted... I'm starting to think Jesus never existed... I mean, supposedly there's a secular source of an execution record, but I can't find it captpackrat posted... There are numerous references to Jesus in ancient writings, such as the works of the Jewish historian Josephus and the Roman historian Tacitus. from what I've heard, something like there's no record of Jesus's execution despite Roman's keeping thorough records of that kind of thing, and the one Roman that does mention him is referring to him as a phenomenon or concept not an actual record of someone. like us talking about a famous person. we could be talking about George Clooney or George Jetson, it's just evidence of the idea not of the historical person. though, I think I would say he probably existed (maybe, who knows). it's much easier to imagine the way things went if it was spawned from an actual set of events rather than just made up from scratch. also, if you read the new testament, to me parts of it paint a pretty clear picture of the sort of "scam" operation that you would run in those days. "magic" in ancient times was the same sleight-of-hand tricks that we know today, and that's exactly the kind of parlor tricks that he went around doing (water to wine, bread and fishes, walking on water, "healing", etc.etc., exactly the kinds of things you would do to convince ancient people (and some modern people) of magic). (and then, after he was executed, and supposedly resurrected, they have a guy that no one recognizes (not even people who knew him), and waltz him around telling people that even though they don't recognize him it "must" be him just because of similar injuries he has. (it's easy to imagine him with impossible wounds or something (which is why this can be convincing), but it's also easy to imagine him with mundane "wounds" that still convince ancient people despite not actually being impressive.)) (the point here is, IMO the NT inadvertently describes this whole thing as the scam operation that it would have actually been. I see that as evidence that it's really describing (to some degree) what they were doing since a purely fantastical story "shouldn't" have that and could be way more far fetched. another way to say it is that it does seem to be grounded in some reality despite trying to be a magical story.) --- ... Copied to Clipboard! |
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