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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 132: WHAT HAPPENED now available in fantasy sections
Kenri 09/10/17 4:51:27 AM #140:	StealThisSheen posted... I mean, her almost getting beat to death came as a direct result of them not shooting the guy, so it's very hard to say it's a better resolution without saying... Yes, her getting beat was better than the criminal getting shot. In the universe where he's shot to death immediately, how do you know if you averted a beating or just killed someone for no reason? I guess you could shoot him as he's actively beating you, which is pretty understandable, and that's why I think it's praiseworthy that she didn't. (I'll admit I'm kind of unclear on the details of this -- it was the cop who got beaten half to death that didn't want to shoot, not her backup, right? Or both? I thought it was the former but I haven't read about this since it first made the news. It changes the scenario somewhat but not substantially, I guess.) But even in your breakdown of the situation, yes, I think it's better for our legal system/society if police are not allowed to become judge, jury, and executioner even if that means they are occasionally hurt in a way that was preventable. That really really sucks for them but it's part of the job, and they should be trained better in de-escalation and non-lethal takedowns to make up for it. Keep in mind also that the way Corrik (and others in the past) ran with this story was that she didn't shoot because she was afraid of the consequences of doing so. If we take that as true, it means nothing stopped her from shooting other than a feeling in the back of her mind of, "oh, maybe I'll get in trouble for this" which is absolutely, 100% of the time, the thing I want going through someone's mind when they're considering whether to end another human's life or not. At least then their decision has weight to it. (Actually, ideally it would be "is this moral to do?" but for a lot of people that's either equally or less constraining so whatever.) StealThisSheen posted... Also, since you said I don't like you, please understand that that isn't true. There's plenty I like about you. I don't like your politics, but if I'm able to separate Wang from his, I can definitely separate you from yours! Well. Thank you I guess. I can't do that because from where I'm standing everything is inherently political or at least related to politics in some way, so shrug --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:886339365] in Politics C... [t:75757490]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, her almost getting beat to death came as a direct result of them not shooting the guy, so it's very hard to say it's a better resolution without saying... Yes, her getting beat was better than the criminal getting shot.</quote> In the universe where he's shot to death immediately, how do you know if you averted a beating or just killed someone for no reason? I guess you could shoot him as he's actively beating you, which is pretty understandable, and that's why I think it's praiseworthy that she didn't. (I'll admit I'm kind of unclear on the details of this -- it was the cop who got beaten half to death that didn't want to shoot, not her backup, right? Or both? I thought it was the former but I haven't read about this since it first made the news. It changes the scenario somewhat but not substantially, I guess.) But even in your breakdown of the situation, yes, I think it's better for our legal system/society if police are not allowed to become judge, jury, and executioner even if that means they are occasionally hurt in a way that was preventable. That really really sucks for them but it's part of the job, and they should be trained better in de-escalation and non-lethal takedowns to make up for it. Keep in mind also that the way Corrik (and others in the past) ran with this story was that she didn't shoot because she was afraid of the consequences of doing so. If we take that as true, it means nothing stopped her from shooting other than a feeling in the back of her mind of, "oh, maybe I'll get in trouble for this" which is absolutely, 100% of the time, the thing I want going through someone's mind when they're considering whether to end another human's life or not. At least then their decision has weight to it. (Actually, ideally it would be "is this moral to do?" but for a lot of people that's either equally or less constraining so whatever.) <cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>Also, since you said I don't like you, please understand that that isn't true. There's plenty I like about you. I don't like your politics, but if I'm able to separate Wang from his, I can definitely separate you from yours!</quote> Well. Thank you I guess. I can't do that because from where I'm standing everything is inherently political or at least related to politics in some way, so shrug --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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