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Topic	The first topic purged, but I beat The Last of Us.
Solioxrz362 03/23/18 12:34:00 AM #15:	CaptainOfCrush posted... Also, do a lot of people speculate that Ellie knew he was lying, and just went along with it because... what the fuck do either of them do about it at that point? this is what I think IMO, Joel and Ellie are practically father and daughter by the end of the game. Obviously not, but they have a bond that's similar. If Ellie doesn't have proof that he's lying, she's fine believing it even though I'm sure she has a very solid idea of how truthful that "I swear" was. That's the last person she's got left, so what's wrong with believing a lie? After Riley, then Tess, then Marlene, she doesn't have much else of a choice. Joel is what she keeps fighting for. And Joel isn't gonna tell her the truth because he's just as much of a bad guy as most of the other characters in the game. IMO, there is no good guy in The Last of Us except for Ellie. Everyone is evil in that world. How could you not be? It's kill or be killed, and even Ellie kills to survive, but I think in the end she wanted what was best for humanity. Joel just wanted what was best for himself. He's not gonna let Ellie die under any circumstance because that's what he keeps fighting for at this point. ~~If it takes robbing humanity of the cure, killing a big chunk of what was left of the fireflies, and lying to Ellie, he's gonna keep her.~~ So if you ask me, you said it really well. She knows, but what the hell would they do? Leave each other? What would they keep fighting for then? When TLOU Pt. 2 comes out, I really hope this is a dynamic that they continually explore and that they don't forget about. There's a really uncomfortable tension between the two in that last scene, and it's because you get the feeling that the relationship has started to shift into selfish dependence, at least for Joel. I view Joel through the lens of "any action he takes, he doesn't consider any other person but himself." Maybe he doesn't really care so much that Ellie is kind of his new daughter and he doesn't actually love her unconditionally like a father would, maybe he just cares that he now has a replacement for Sarah. I'm sure I'll love pt. 2 anyways, but I think this is definitely the obvious lead that needs to be followed. --- Got a brand new blues that I can't explain <cite>Solioxrz362 posted [p:898325863] in The first ... [t:76442350]...</cite> <quote><cite>CaptainOfCrush posted...</cite> <quote>Also, do a lot of people speculate that Ellie knew he was lying, and just went along with it because... what the fuck do either of them do about it at that point?</quote> this is what I think IMO, Joel and Ellie are practically father and daughter by the end of the game. Obviously not, but they have a bond that's similar. If Ellie doesn't have proof that he's lying, she's fine believing it even though I'm sure she has a very solid idea of how truthful that "I swear" was. That's the last person she's got left, so what's wrong with believing a lie? After Riley, then Tess, then Marlene, she doesn't have much else of a choice. Joel is what she keeps fighting for. And Joel isn't gonna tell her the truth because he's just as much of a bad guy as most of the other characters in the game. IMO, there is no good guy in The Last of Us except for Ellie. Everyone is evil in that world. How could you not be? It's kill or be killed, and even Ellie kills to survive, but I think in the end she wanted what was best for humanity. Joel just wanted what was best for himself. He's not gonna let Ellie die under any circumstance because that's what he keeps fighting for at this point. If it takes robbing humanity of the cure, killing a big chunk of what was left of the fireflies, and lying to Ellie, he's gonna keep her. So if you ask me, you said it really well. She knows, but what the hell would they do? Leave each other? What would they keep fighting for then? When TLOU Pt. 2 comes out, I really hope this is a dynamic that they continually explore and that they don't forget about. There's a really uncomfortable tension between the two in that last scene, and it's because you get the feeling that the relationship has started to shift into selfish dependence, at least for Joel. I view Joel through the lens of "any action he takes, he doesn't consider any other person but himself." Maybe he doesn't really care so much that Ellie is kind of his new daughter and he doesn't actually love her unconditionally like a father would, maybe he just cares that he now has a replacement for Sarah. I'm sure I'll love pt. 2 anyways, but I think this is definitely the obvious lead that needs to be followed. --- Got a brand new blues that I can't explain</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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