I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to
Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive.
It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it.
Hate to tell you this, but there's really no other way to handle this. You are saying the argument that works best for your side, but you are basing it on your own belief that it is NOT alive
I personally care less about whether or not it is alive than its level of consciousness/self-awareness. You can try to argue that newborns aren't all the conscious or self-aware, and you have already stated the fact that no one remembers their infancy, so I'll acknowledge that now to save you the trouble of restating it. You say that where life truly begins is a complex issue and it is yes, and I think any reasonable person wouldn't draw that line any later than birth, so the memory argument is moot. The problem I have with the anti-abortion group is they call it back at the moment of conception which to me is as logically unreasonable as time of birth/post birth (which no one should be claiming). Where in between is complex and not fully understood and we agree on that. It's just that in atypical cases, such as rape, incest, terminal defect, mother in grave danger etc., I would always logically side with the person who is already confirmed alive and has spent time living. I don't see cause to side differently in normal, simple cases for no other reason than to side with that which may or may not be alive but is yet to have the capacity to know what being alive means.
As I said I find it a complicated issue. It seems so wrong to me to abort a baby because of circumstances outside of its control, but it also seems wrong to me to be forced to bear a child that is not her fault, and rape is outside of her control as well. I agree though it is tough. In that situation you have two lives, neither of which made a decision, both of which who are going to have to suffer for forces outside of their control. I guess that's what makes it different from me.
Like you said if its the mothers life or the babies, or if the mother did not do anything that could reasonably expect pregnancy, you have to choose one, and I kind of understand even though it seems rough.
Its only when the womans own decisions led to the baby that I think that she has made her choice and I dont feel guilty prioritizing the babies life. In my opinion, if you have sex you are consenting to the consequences. Man or woman. And this is legally recognized in child support
To be fair, being created and being born are outside of its control as well. I'm personally not grateful that I was forced to exist, and I don't believe that I would have "suffered" had I been aborted, and in the event I had been, it is my objective opinion that my biological mother would not have done anything wrong had she chosen to go that route. Subjectively, I wouldn't have known what was going on and would just simply have not acquired consciousness to begin with, so any existence I had before gaining the ability to be aware of my existence would have been irrelevant. ---
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