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Topic	A Geektivus For The Rest Of Us
Zeus 04/05/18 2:11:30 AM #374:	ParanoidObsessive posted... I mostly hated it (it was easily my least-favorite ST system at a time when I loved most of the other systems to some degree or another) because of its radical hippie tendencies, making every werewolf an eco-warrior for Mother Earth by default, and basing at least a few Tribes (and werewolf culture in general) on an incredibly shallow cultural appropriation from Native American and Celtic cultures. Kek. The virtue-signaling was pretty strong in it. And, from what I remember of the books (that'd be a novel -- yes, I was a masochist), some of the overtones and cultural usage (as always, I hesitate to use "appropriation" given the term's tainted association) was cringe-worthy. That said, I didn't have an inherent problem with the general eco-warrior premise, although I can't remember if the origin of wolves was specifically tied into a nature standpoint which justified their attitudes. I just recall that their enemies had some entropic worldview and something to do with pollution. And, of course, I was a fuckload heavier on the eco-friendly hippie shit back then. What can I say, it was the 90s. ParanoidObsessive posted... Absolutely untrue. Some art is entertainment, and some entertainment is art, but while there's certainly an overlap, they aren't the same thing, they have different underlying core purpose principles, and can absolutely exist separate from each other. The fact that some entertainment isn't art doesn't mean that some art isn't entertainment. That's like saying because not all automobiles are trucks, not all trucks are automobiles. ParanoidObsessive posted... Except this arguably isn't true for a metric shit-ton of video games. Again, this easily falls into the sphere of "some games are, some aren't". Then you're also excluding some films as art? And some paintings as art? And some songs as music? If so, you're using "art" as a descriptor of quality. If not, you may be a mite hypocritical or working from some weird starting point. ParanoidObsessive posted... But e-sports aren't real sports. And yet pool is a sport >_> --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:899085582] in A Geektivu... [t:76102111]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>I mostly hated it (it was easily my least-favorite ST system at a time when I loved most of the other systems to some degree or another) because of its radical hippie tendencies, making every werewolf an eco-warrior for Mother Earth by default, and basing at least a few Tribes (and werewolf culture in general) on an incredibly shallow cultural appropriation from Native American and Celtic cultures.</quote> Kek. The virtue-signaling was pretty strong in it. And, from what I remember of the books (that'd be a novel -- yes, I was a masochist), some of the overtones and cultural usage (as always, I hesitate to use "appropriation" given the term's tainted association) was cringe-worthy. That said, I didn't have an inherent problem with the general eco-warrior premise, although I can't remember if the origin of wolves was specifically tied into a nature standpoint which justified their attitudes. I just recall that their enemies had some entropic worldview and something to do with pollution. And, of course, I was a fuckload heavier on the eco-friendly hippie shit back then. What can I say, it was the 90s. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>Absolutely untrue. Some art is entertainment, and some entertainment is art, but while there's certainly an overlap, they aren't the same thing, they have different underlying core purpose principles, and can absolutely exist separate from each other. </quote> The fact that some entertainment isn't art doesn't mean that some art isn't entertainment. That's like saying because not all automobiles are trucks, not all trucks are automobiles. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>Except this arguably isn't true for a metric shit-ton of video games. Again, this easily falls into the sphere of "some games are, some aren't".</quote> Then you're also excluding some films as art? And some paintings as art? And some songs as music? If so, you're using "art" as a descriptor of quality. If not, you may be a mite hypocritical or working from some weird starting point. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>But e-sports aren't real sports.</quote> And yet pool is a sport >_> --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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