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| Zeus 04/12/18 10:15:07 PM #398: | ParanoidObsessive posted... Yeah, but that's a problem when certain groups are basically attaching their own meanings to all sorts of terminology, even words that existed long before they did. Especially when there aren't necessarily a lot of alternative words or phrases you can use as synonyms for the original meaning. At least not without having to construct needlessly long and awkward workarounds. Well, this is going to keep sidetracking things =p As a concept, I'm not sure how much I believe in *any* variation of the term appropriation (well, in this context), given the unfortunate racist undertones associated with the idea as well as the general nature of creativity. The fact that the term has been "appropriated" by SJWs (although I'm not sure how prevalent the word was in relation to the concept before SJWs stepped in) just makes it worse. That said, I'm not if there's a particularly good word or term to convey a disrespectfully superficial usage so I'm kinda stuck using it because it's close enough to what I'm driving at. (And, I suppose, the notion that it seems more egregious than butchering a white history is probably rooted in racism so maybe my objection *is* akin to SJW and other variations.) ParanoidObsessive posted... I'd also say that not all books are art. The fact that things like Twilight and Eragon exist prove that. The fact that art is bad doesn't stop it from being art. Paolini is an unabashed plagiarist, but part of that comes from a sincere admiration and attempt to mimic the work of more talented authors who he admired. The fact that he's a consummate hack comes from his lack of talent not impeding his success. As for Twilight, it's puerile stuff but, then again, so is a lot of male-themed fantasy. At any rate, neither example really even qualifies as a purely commercial venture. Hell, Meyer supposedly had no intention of publishing at first. ParanoidObsessive posted... Not really. I'm using it more as a statement of intent and purpose. Yet you went with novel examples which contradict that notion. =p ParanoidObsessive posted... (And yes, I'll give you the Catwoman/Black Cat similarities as another pro-Spider-Man argument for free. Though it's telling that Catwoman is often portrayed as the ONE TRUE PAIRING for Batman, while Black Cat is usually more of an off-handed also-ran for Spider-Man.) Well, I suppose it's telling of lazy writing. When a character lacks a love interest, using an existing femme fatale is a convenient shortcut. And, of course, it's worth noting that Catwoman isn't even Batman's laziest love interest. Vicki Vale basically started as a red-headed Lois Lane clone. ParanoidObsessive posted... It's different, though, because the motivations behind it are totally different. Again, not seeing it especially because Spider-Man has an explicit compulsion to stop crime, one which was outright stated in the credo he inherited from Uncle Ben. Both have some pretty severe psychological trauma driving their actions. Even if it's not exactly the same thing, the two are far closer to each other than Batman is to Wolverine. And both are concerned with saving lives, whereas the Punisher is more about hurting criminals. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard! |
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