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Topic	Ace Attorney Topic Part 4: The Happening (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)
LeonhartFour 04/16/18 1:06:42 PM #495:	NeoElfboy posted... C'mon Leon, you're better than this. Address my arguments instead of speaking authoritatively about what everyone else does and doesn't care about, or don't address them at all. That said whatever, it's not a big deal. I think it's pretty obvious that Lang is a poor judge of character and that this is directly supported by the game. If your point is that you disagree that's okay. I was just trying to find a narrative justification for a bad plot twist in AAI2, we can go back to discussing the bad plot twist in a vacuum. I already said (and so did Para) that I don't agree about Lang being a poor judge of character on the basis of him not realizing Shih-na was a mole, so it just sounds like you're listening poorly if you think that's why I'd think that's a cool thing. That is why I was dismissive about that point. Shih-na effectively deceived everyone she's ever worked for (She was destined to betray everyone from the very beginning, after all), so unless you want to say Alba, Coachen, Badd, and Byrne (and pretty much everyone who's ever met Shih-na/Yew, which would include Edgeworth and Franziska) are all poor judges of character, too, this is a pretty flimsy assessment of Lang's character. The much easier conclusion is that Shih-na is just super good at what she does. Lang has 100+ men who are super loyal to him, but sure, okay, it's firmly established that he's a poor judge of character on the basis of the one black sheep. I guess everyone who met Fulbright in DD is a poor judge of character, too. Actually, I guess everyone in the Ace Attorney universe is a poor judge of character because they all get misled by someone at some point. Phoenix Wright: Firmly established poor judge of character because he defended a guilty person once. NeoElfboy posted... It's a paper-thin "study", which pretty much boils down to "character A is GOOD, character B is BAD" Pro-tip: Foils are the best. You can boil down any foil to Character A is THIS and Character B is THAT, but that's the definition of oversimplification. NeoElfboy posted... And because Zheng Fa is never seen and only rarely mentioned, we don't even get a good study in the ways that he's a worse president anyway. (Apparently he's still good enough to win re-election.) If it was the real president all along, then either Lang was just wrong about him all along (which is boring), or he's become a corrupt politician over the years and the fact that he used to be good is just an informed attribute we never actually get to see (which is also boring). --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://i.imgur.com/WqDcNNq.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:899752936] in Ace Attorn... [t:76443143]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeoElfboy posted...</cite> <quote>C'mon Leon, you're better than this. Address my arguments instead of speaking authoritatively about what everyone else does and doesn't care about, or don't address them at all. That said whatever, it's not a big deal. I think it's pretty obvious that Lang is a poor judge of character and that this is directly supported by the game. If your point is that you disagree that's okay. I was just trying to find a narrative justification for a bad plot twist in AAI2, we can go back to discussing the bad plot twist in a vacuum.</quote> I already said (and so did Para) that I don't agree about Lang being a poor judge of character on the basis of him not realizing Shih-na was a mole, so it just sounds like you're listening poorly if you think that's why I'd think that's a cool thing. That is why I was dismissive about that point. Shih-na effectively deceived everyone she's ever worked for (She was destined to betray everyone from the very beginning, after all), so unless you want to say Alba, Coachen, Badd, and Byrne (and pretty much everyone who's ever met Shih-na/Yew, which would include Edgeworth and Franziska) are all poor judges of character, too, this is a pretty flimsy assessment of Lang's character. The much easier conclusion is that Shih-na is just super good at what she does. Lang has 100+ men who are super loyal to him, but sure, okay, it's firmly established that he's a poor judge of character on the basis of the one black sheep. I guess everyone who met Fulbright in DD is a poor judge of character, too. Actually, I guess everyone in the Ace Attorney universe is a poor judge of character because they all get misled by someone at some point. Phoenix Wright: Firmly established poor judge of character because he defended a guilty person once. <cite>NeoElfboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's a paper-thin "study", which pretty much boils down to "character A is GOOD, character B is BAD"</quote> Pro-tip: Foils are the best. You can boil down any foil to Character A is THIS and Character B is THAT, but that's the definition of oversimplification. <cite>NeoElfboy posted...</cite> <quote>And because Zheng Fa is never seen and only rarely mentioned, we don't even get a good study in the ways that he's a worse president anyway. (Apparently he's still good enough to win re-election.) </quote> If it was the real president all along, then either Lang was just wrong about him all along (which is boring), or he's become a corrupt politician over the years and the fact that he used to be good is just an informed attribute we never actually get to see (which is also boring). --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://i.imgur.com/WqDcNNq.png</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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