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Topic	Who should be the Democrat candidate in 2020?
ParanoidObsessive 07/20/18 10:52:37 AM #41:	Yellow posted... Jen0125 posted... My ideal would be Bernie but that's farfetched for most people. I don't think any of those people will be the candidate. Last time around barely anyone knew who he was, by the end of the race his popularity exploded. If he runs again I don't think there's anything the DNC can do to keep him from winning. By the end of the race his popularity exploded within a specific demographic. The fact that the demographic in question was also the one that shouts loudest on the Internet and social media gives the impression that overall support for him was far stronger than it really is. And like it or not, had he bypassed Hillary, HER supporters likely would have turned against him and anti-voted him in precisely the same way a fair number of his supporters did to her. He would have lost to Trump exactly the same way she did, though the specific results and specific votes wouldn't have been precisely the same. Next election he'll be older and have even more baggage, and the demographic that was supporting him last time are fickle as fuck. Add in the fact that pretty much everyone is going to position themselves to be the "hero" to save the US against Trump, and will adopt the same sort of PR tactics successfully used in the last election, and Bernie loses a lot of what made him a viable candidate last time in the first place. If he tries to push for a nomination and actually succeeds (whether for the whole shebang or simply jsut a significant spot in the primaries), he likely helps guarantee Trump gets reelected (sort of in the same sense that Democrats have always hated Nader and the Green Party and felt that they always help Republican candidates win by dividing the Left). GRTooCool posted... The US is still behind the times so they're not ready for a female president. If anyone beside her ran against Trump, they would have won. I'd argue the US is ready for a female President. Just not THAT female. Because a large segment of the population already hated her for decades long before she ever ran, and she always comes across like a bit of a slimy piece of shit. Ironically, in the election that was basically run on saying "Fuck business as usual!", she was probably the most "Business as usual" candidate running. And even then, she still had a CHANCE (albeit not a great one), until the potion of the Left disillusioned by Bernie losing turned against her (which was something that horrified Bernie, and which might help discourage him from trying to run again next time). The Democrats are being handed the greatest opportunity they've had in years to take the White House from the opposition without much of a struggle - IF they nominate the right candidate. But the last time they were in a position like this, they got complacent, nominated John Kerry, and wound up with "FOUR MORE YEARS". So no matter how much of a slam dunk some people think next election is going to be, they may be in for some bitter disappointment if the Democrats don't start coming up with some better options fast. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:905412756] in Who should... [t:76823398]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yellow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>My ideal would be Bernie but that's farfetched for most people. I don't think any of those people will be the candidate.</quote> Last time around barely anyone knew who he was, by the end of the race his popularity exploded. If he runs again I don't think there's anything the DNC can do to keep him from winning.</quote> By the end of the race his popularity exploded within a specific demographic. The fact that the demographic in question was also the one that shouts loudest on the Internet and social media gives the impression that overall support for him was far stronger than it really is. And like it or not, had he bypassed Hillary, HER supporters likely would have turned against him and anti-voted him in precisely the same way a fair number of his supporters did to her. He would have lost to Trump exactly the same way she did, though the specific results and specific votes wouldn't have been precisely the same. Next election he'll be older and have even more baggage, and the demographic that was supporting him last time are fickle as fuck. Add in the fact that pretty much everyone is going to position themselves to be the "hero" to save the US against Trump, and will adopt the same sort of PR tactics successfully used in the last election, and Bernie loses a lot of what made him a viable candidate last time in the first place. If he tries to push for a nomination and actually succeeds (whether for the whole shebang or simply jsut a significant spot in the primaries), he likely helps guarantee Trump gets reelected (sort of in the same sense that Democrats have always hated Nader and the Green Party and felt that they always help Republican candidates win by dividing the Left). <cite>GRTooCool posted...</cite> <quote>The US is still behind the times so they're not ready for a female president. If anyone beside her ran against Trump, they would have won.</quote> I'd argue the US is ready for a female President. Just not THAT female. Because a large segment of the population already hated her for decades long before she ever ran, and she always comes across like a bit of a slimy piece of shit. Ironically, in the election that was basically run on saying "Fuck business as usual!", she was probably the most "Business as usual" candidate running. And even then, she still had a CHANCE (albeit not a great one), until the potion of the Left disillusioned by Bernie losing turned against her (which was something that horrified Bernie, and which might help discourage him from trying to run again next time). The Democrats are being handed the greatest opportunity they've had in years to take the White House from the opposition without much of a struggle - IF they nominate the right candidate. But the last time they were in a position like this, they got complacent, nominated John Kerry, and wound up with "FOUR MORE YEARS". So no matter how much of a slam dunk some people think next election is going to be, they may be in for some bitter disappointment if the Democrats don't start coming up with some better options fast. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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