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Topic	Mobile Suit Geekdam: Geek vs Zeta Geek
Zeus 09/05/18 1:24:16 AM #127:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Man, there's too much spoiler tagging in this topic now. These posts are starting to look like Cold War era government documents. Redacted documents tend to be more selective than that =p ParanoidObsessive posted... The only geeks that existed in the 1940s were the ones biting heads off chickens in circuses. Would a geek by any other name smell as sweet? But yeah, the carnie origins -- and the fact that carnies still employ geeks (who eat more than just chicken heads) -- is why I've never been that big on the name. ParanoidObsessive posted... (like when people get pissy about Mark Twain naming a character N***** Jim, in spite of the fact that Twain was a huge abolitionist and repeatedly complained about how blacks, Asians, and Native Americans were treated in the US, called bullshit on how whites tended to exploit the hell out of "savages" around the world, and was one of the stronger advocates for women's suffrage in the era - but Tumblrites today would probably just bitch about how "problematic" he was). More importantly it was something Twain was likely doing to criticize the attitudes of the time, the same as his characters' responses to the news that a black man got run over. ParanoidObsessive posted... When Tolkien wrote the books, it was the 1930s, in conservative England, and he was an older man who had a lot of his attitudes formed when he was a younger man in the WWI years. It's part of why, as modern readers occasionally complain about, 99.8% of all characters in LotR are male (and why the bad guys are "from the East", and why there are racist undertones in the work, and blahblahblahTumblr). Ironically, Tolkien probably saw the likelihood of a female warrior being more of an obvious thing than his original readers would have, considering he was drawing on a lot of prior Norse/Germanic myth when writing, and shieldmaidens WERE a thing in those stories (but even there, half the time a shieldmaiden only showed up so a male hero could rescue her, or so that she could die horribly and provide an unsubtle moral that women should stick to their roles). My comment was in regards to your remark about how Tolkien's readers would perceive the possibility, though. And I'm not really seeing much to support the idea it would be shocking by that point in time. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:908136599] in Mobile Sui... [t:76923012]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>Man, there's too much spoiler tagging in this topic now. These posts are starting to look like Cold War era government documents. </quote> Redacted documents tend to be more selective than that =p <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>The only geeks that existed in the 1940s were the ones biting heads off chickens in circuses.</quote> Would a geek by any other name smell as sweet? But yeah, the carnie origins -- and the fact that carnies still employ geeks (who eat more than just chicken heads) -- is why I've never been that big on the name. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote> (like when people get pissy about Mark Twain naming a character N***** Jim, in spite of the fact that Twain was a huge abolitionist and repeatedly complained about how blacks, Asians, and Native Americans were treated in the US, called bullshit on how whites tended to exploit the hell out of "savages" around the world, and was one of the stronger advocates for women's suffrage in the era - but Tumblrites today would probably just bitch about how "problematic" he was).</quote> More importantly it was something Twain was likely doing to criticize the attitudes of the time, the same as his characters' responses to the news that a black man got run over. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>When Tolkien wrote the books, it was the 1930s, in conservative England, and he was an older man who had a lot of his attitudes formed when he was a younger man in the WWI years. It's part of why, as modern readers occasionally complain about, 99.8% of all characters in LotR are male (and why the bad guys are "from the East", and why there are racist undertones in the work, and blahblahblahTumblr). Ironically, Tolkien probably saw the likelihood of a female warrior being more of an obvious thing than his original readers would have, considering he was drawing on a lot of prior Norse/Germanic myth when writing, and shieldmaidens WERE a thing in those stories (but even there, half the time a shieldmaiden only showed up so a male hero could rescue her, or so that she could die horribly and provide an unsubtle moral that women should stick to their roles).</quote> My comment was in regards to your remark about how Tolkien's readers would perceive the possibility, though. And I'm not really seeing much to support the idea it would be shocking by that point in time. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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