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Topic	So what if Trump actually wins again in 2020?
Zeus 09/11/18 4:49:40 AM #52:	darkknight109 posted... Zeus posted... Actually, Republicans were ALSO talking about moving to Canada. And were roundly mocked for it. Threatening to move to Canada because you're unhappy a Democrat got elected (or, in the most lulzy example, because Obamacare got signed into law) is like threatening to move to Mexico because you don't like all the Spanish-speakers in Texas. Changes nothing because they were still doing it. Otherwise, just like the Democrats, they believed that the candidate had dark intentions for the American people rather than just wanting different politics. darkknight109 posted... Zeus posted... I think you're falsely attributing social services as the only demonstration of a nation's political leaning. I think you missed the part of my post that said "politically, economically, and socially". No matter the measure, America is at or near the top of rankings in pretty much every category of conservatism. Well, those are some Bold claimS. I'm curious where you got that information from. Care to provide some statistics? darkknight109 posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... darkknight109 posted... America is pretty much the most right-wing developed nation in the world and it's not even particularly close. This is true politically, economically, and socially, almost to the point where it's unarguable. Britain is probably the next in line overall The next in line would be Japan, but Japan still heavily subsidises healthcare and education. Having spent plenty of time in Japan, I can tell you this is false. Politically they're generally conservative, but socially they're extremely left wing - collectivist society and all. Economically they're a bit of a mixed bag - they have extremely low personal tax rates, but extremely high corporate tax rates. They also tend to work collaboratively, rather than competitively, and the keiretsu, in particular, are something that no strident right-wing economy would tolerate. You have some really weird standards for your left/right paradigm. By your logic, an Amish community would be extremely leftwing because they raise barns together and work as a community. As for Japan's "extremely left wing" social leanings, that collectivist society has essentially the same leanings as many conservative groups where it frowns upon public conduct (including tattoos) deemed completely acceptable in other nations. And if you think collectivism is "extremely left wing," then I'm guessing you think Christians are extremely left-wing as well because the Bible emphasizes the importance of cooperation, working closely with neighbors, community building, etc, all of which are reinforced by the church. In fact, given America's substantial religious culture, wouldn't that make America one of the most liberal nations on the planet using your collectivist standards as a guide? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:908519457] in So what if... [t:76988102]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, Republicans were ALSO talking about moving to Canada.</quote> And were roundly mocked for it. Threatening to move to Canada because you're unhappy a Democrat got elected (or, in the most lulzy example, because Obamacare got signed into law) is like threatening to move to Mexico because you don't like all the Spanish-speakers in Texas. </quote> Changes nothing because they were still doing it. Otherwise, just like the Democrats, they believed that the candidate had dark intentions for the American people rather than just wanting different politics. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>I think you're falsely attributing social services as the only demonstration of a nation's political leaning.</quote> I think you missed the part of my post that said "politically, economically, and socially". No matter the measure, America is at or near the top of rankings in pretty much every category of conservatism.</quote> Well, those are some Bold claimS. I'm curious where you got that information from. Care to provide some statistics? <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>America is pretty much the most right-wing developed nation in the world and it's not even particularly close. This is true politically, economically, and socially, almost to the point where it's unarguable. Britain is probably the next in line overall</quote> The next in line would be Japan, but Japan still heavily subsidises healthcare and education.</quote> Having spent plenty of time in Japan, I can tell you this is false. Politically they're generally conservative, but socially they're extremely left wing - collectivist society and all. Economically they're a bit of a mixed bag - they have extremely low personal tax rates, but extremely high corporate tax rates. They also tend to work collaboratively, rather than competitively, and the keiretsu, in particular, are something that no strident right-wing economy would tolerate.</quote> You have some really weird standards for your left/right paradigm. By your logic, an Amish community would be extremely leftwing because they raise barns together and work as a community. As for Japan's "extremely left wing" social leanings, that collectivist society has essentially the same leanings as many conservative groups where it frowns upon public conduct (including tattoos) deemed completely acceptable in other nations. And if you think collectivism is "extremely left wing," then I'm guessing you think Christians are extremely left-wing as well because the Bible emphasizes the importance of cooperation, working closely with neighbors, community building, etc, all of which are reinforced by the church. In fact, given America's substantial religious culture, wouldn't that make America one of the most liberal nations on the planet using your collectivist standards as a guide? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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