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darkknight109 posted...

And, in this particular case, the allegation is absolutely an attempted rape. Groping a girl and trying to tear off her bathing suit is not "making her feel uncomfortable."

That sounds like sexual assault, not "absolutely an attempted rape"

darkknight109 posted...

But you're missing the point - no one is talking about Kavanaugh being charged with anything. This isn't about whether Kavanaugh is legally culpable for his actions; it's about whether he, as a 17 year old, committed the action he is being accused of (groping and attempting to forcibly strip an underage girl) and whether that should be sufficient grounds to deny him appointment to the Supreme Court.

His legal status at the time has absolutely no bearing on rendering that judgement.

No, it ABSOLUTELY has a direct bearing because juvenile records are deliberately sealed to give youths a fresh start at adulthood. And had this actually gone to court at the time, he'd have some measure of protection -- albeit a weak one that could still be violated.

darkknight109 posted...

Of course it can. That's why all the Democrats - and why the accuser herself - are calling for the FBI to investigate and for additional witnesses to be called. After all, if there was a party that she and/or Kavanaugh attended, an investigation would be able to identify potential corroborating witnesses and confirm date and/or time (Kavanaugh has alleged that not only did the incident not occur, but that he never attended a party like the one his accuser describes, which should be easy enough to confirm or disprove - if no one can place him at any party in the area, the allegations look a lot more unlikely). It's crazy that the Republicans are insisting that this woman must not be remembering things correctly while refusing to ask the FBI to confirm that, yes, she really was mistaken.

....except, given that she apparently doesn't even remember where this party happened, there's really not much for the FBI to actually look into. The reality is that it's an absurdly transparent stall tactic to delay the confirmation. The whole story is unbelievably flaky and seems designed to derail the hearings in the hopes that Democrats can get a majority then stall the clock for at least the next two years -- possibly six, if Trump gets re-elected.

darkknight109 posted...

I'll ask the same question of you I asked of the TC - are you OK with people accusing Catholic priests of molesting them as children, or are you similarly leery about that? Because those allegations are also frequently decades old and the memories of then-children are even more unreliable than adults. If you're supportive of the people making those allegations, this shouldn't be any different, unless your motives are political in nature.

First off, I'm absolutely leery in cases like those *but* there are many important key differences that you're glossing over in your attempt to conflate the two. The problem with the Catholic church is that allegations were made AT THE TIME and the church was complicit in concealing the crimes and resolving the matter -- something that even happened within areas where I've lived. But sure, keep pretending that they're *exactly* the same.
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