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TopicKavanaugh so harsh about immigration that Gorsuch has to be voice of reason
Bio1590
10/10/18 9:27:46 PM
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Gamble vs US will really be the case to watch. It's why Trump wanted Kav in the first place. If that goes as Trump wants to, he can simply pardon all his cronies without Mueller being able to bring state charges against them.

That's entirely what this nomination was and why Trump fought so hard. Truly the actions of an innocent man

Did you read the article about Mueller taking the potential for this into account with what he's charging people with? Like they purposely didn't charge Manafort with certain things so he could be charged at a state level if need be.

Really? I'd be interested to read that. Have a link? Not sure how to search that

Sorry it was Flynn not Manafort lol

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2018/10/robert_mueller_ready_if_trump_pardon_power_increases

Mueller has already confronted this issue and strategized around it, said Jed Shugerman, Fordham law professor.

The case, Gamble v. U.S., gives the court the opportunity this term to overturn past court precedent that being prosecuted in federal court and again separately in state court for the same actions does not violate the Constitutions ban on double jeopardy.

The case received increased attention after Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), a key member of the Senate Judiciary Committee that helped usher Kavanaugh to the bench despite sexual misconduct allegations made against him, filed a friend-of-the-court brief urging the justices to nix that rule.

Such a ruling would mean presidential pardons, which only apply to federal crimes, would have the effect of insulating those receiving pardons from state law prosecution as well. That could have been a key issue in the Mueller probe, in which former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn and former Trump attorney Michael Cohen faced a multitude of state and federal offenses. A pardon of any of them would not have saved them from state convictions without a high court ruling reversing the double jeopardy exception.

But prosecutors on Muellers team, likely anticipating the potential change in the law, have been careful to avoid charging for crimes with state law overlap.

For example, Mueller chose not to charge Flynn with federal kidnapping charges for an alleged plot to kidnap Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen from his Pennsylvania home and return him to Turkey. Now any pardon of Flynn would leave Pennsylvania state prosecutors free to pursue that case, rendering Trumps pardon useless regardless of how the court rules.

Even in future cases where presidents may leverage pardons, federal prosecutors are likely to follow Muellers playbook.

There are so many state crimes that even if the president pardons someone for federal crimes, there is going the be some way for state prosecutors to go after them, said Ilya Shapiro, senior fellow at the Cato Institute, which filed an amicus brief in the case urging the court to overturn the double jeopardy exception.

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