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ParanoidObsessive 10/24/18 9:20:37 PM #12:	Lokarin posted... This reminds me of the Chaotic Evil argument... some people hate when there are Chaotic Evil party members 'cuz they think they'll be required to backstab the party. Where as in my opinion Chaotic Evil would simply be more likely to take pragmatic unfavourable action to get a job done. For example, euthanasia. Also, don't propose that you euthanize a party member who is poisoned to get their stuff... That's because most people are thinking Chaotic Stupid, not Chaotic Evil. A Chaotic Evil person can still have friends, loved ones, a pet they treat extremely well. They're just self-centered to the extreme, which means they tend to view those people in terms of how they make THEM feel, not necessarily in an empathetic sort of light. They're the villains who may love their wife (or mistress, or harem), but they definitely view them more as possessions than people. And if you're NOT their friend, loved one, or useful to them, then they're more than willing to throw your life away if it benefits them. In a word where murder-hoboes can get away with killing, they'll be the ones most likely to indulge - but even Chaotic Evil characters can be smart enough to NOT kill every third person they see "just because" if it's going to get them thrown into prison. They're impulsive and cruel, but not necessarily stupid. So a Chaotic Evil party member could easily be incredibly loyal to the other party members, and never consider betraying them... but when they ride into a backwater village and someone screws with the party, the Chaotic Evil player is going to be the first to suggest burning the entire fucking town down. (Incidentally, this is why I hate when people are like "Chaotic Neutral? Well, you must be lolrandum!" No Skippy, that's not what Chaotic Neutral means That's another flavor of Chaotic Stupid. Which is usually more a mark of a bad player than anything to do with Alignment. The Chaotic Stupid player is still going to be an idiot if you shoehorn him into another Alignment. Lawful? He's going to play a Lawful Stupid Paladin, the kind that makes entire parties sacrifice the entire plot of the game solely to do everything in their power to make him fall. He's the type who always chooses Malkavian in Vampire because he thinks being crazy is the same thing as being wacky. He's the reason why so many tables outlaw Kender in D&D games.) --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:911109530] in Tabletop r... [t:77129025]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>This reminds me of the Chaotic Evil argument... some people hate when there are Chaotic Evil party members 'cuz they think they'll be required to backstab the party. Where as in my opinion Chaotic Evil would simply be more likely to take pragmatic unfavourable action to get a job done. For example, euthanasia. Also, don't propose that you euthanize a party member who is poisoned to get their stuff...</quote> That's because most people are thinking Chaotic Stupid, not Chaotic Evil. A Chaotic Evil person can still have friends, loved ones, a pet they treat extremely well. They're just self-centered to the extreme, which means they tend to view those people in terms of how they make THEM feel, not necessarily in an empathetic sort of light. They're the villains who may love their wife (or mistress, or harem), but they definitely view them more as possessions than people. And if you're NOT their friend, loved one, or useful to them, then they're more than willing to throw your life away if it benefits them. In a word where murder-hoboes can get away with killing, they'll be the ones most likely to indulge - but even Chaotic Evil characters can be smart enough to NOT kill every third person they see "just because" if it's going to get them thrown into prison. They're impulsive and cruel, but not necessarily stupid. So a Chaotic Evil party member could easily be incredibly loyal to the other party members, and never consider betraying them... but when they ride into a backwater village and someone screws with the party, the Chaotic Evil player is going to be the first to suggest burning the entire fucking town down. (Incidentally, this is why I hate when people are like "Chaotic Neutral? Well, you must be lolrandum!" No Skippy, that's not what Chaotic Neutral means That's another flavor of Chaotic Stupid. Which is usually more a mark of a bad player than anything to do with Alignment. The Chaotic Stupid player is still going to be an idiot if you shoehorn him into another Alignment. Lawful? He's going to play a Lawful Stupid Paladin, the kind that makes entire parties sacrifice the entire plot of the game solely to do everything in their power to make him fall. He's the type who always chooses Malkavian in Vampire because he thinks being crazy is the same thing as being wacky. He's the reason why so many tables outlaw Kender in D&D games.) --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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