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Vlado posted...

If that doesn't matter, what does?

it matters to me. but i'm saying that following your logic, it shouldn't matter to you. you've already established that if there's 1 afghan criminal in germany, all aghanis should leave. at that point, why does it matter whether there's 1 afghan doctor or 100000? they should all leave anyway, according to you.

Yes, they would. I support them as far as uprooting the corrupt deep state goes, no problem with both the left and right combining efforts to do it. But naturally I will not support them against genuine nationalists. They carry too much of the aforementioned poison.

They (and you) need to understand that in order to enact any if the good policies you have in mind, you will have to first get rid of the globalists. Then, they'll have to defeat the new right, of course. But at least it will be a battle between two well-meaning sides, if they do not get infiltrated and corrupted in the meantime, of course.

the fundamental problem with your outlook is that you narrow everything down to the globalism/nationalism divide when obviously the world is more complex than that.

to explain what i mean, let me take an example from the political landscape in my own country since i have some expertise on that. take FVD. i completely agree with their anti-EU ideas but when it comes to economics, they're shit. they're in favor of the exact same "fuck you, i got mine" nonsense various right-wing parties in tons of countries have been in favor of for the past gazillion years.

you're saying that it's important to defeat the new right. but FVD IS the new right! when they've become large enough to replace the current government (and it SHOULD be replaced - the most pro-EU party in my country is currently a part of the government, though they're not the largest party so fortunately they don't have too much influence on the government's policies for now), they've probably already brainwashed too many people into agreeing with their economic policies. at that point it may be too late to fight the right, though the left will always try their best, of course.

as important as patriotism (or "nationalism" or whatever you want to call it) is to me, i find caring about the poor to be equally important. what we need in my country is a party that combines being sufficiently patriotic with caring about the poor, NOT a party that's anti-EU/globalism/whatever while being "let's totally screw over the poor who cares about them" like FVD. (unfortunately i don't think we don't have such a party here at the moment, though [but i may be overlooking one of the super small parties, admittedly]. the most socialist party here is too pro-EU for my tastes.)

also, i somewhat disagree with the notion that if you have a battle between the left and the right, it's necessarily a "battle between two well-meaning sides." i do think some prominent politicians on the right are well-meaning, like ron paul. i completely disagree with some of his ideas, but i do think he genuinely cares about the poor. i'm certain thierry baudet doesn't give a crap about the poor at all, though.
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