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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 224: The Congressional Contempt for Political Buggery
xp1337 05/14/19 12:29:12 AM #269:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Is this even really true? Yes. I swear there was a more straight-forward study (or presentation of data) but since I didn't save it or anything, here's the best reference I could get on short notice: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/30/white-americas-racial-resentment-is-the-real-impetus-for-welfare-cuts-study-says The study covered by the article has a more narrow focus of showing how opposition to welfare in white Americans is tied to racial anxiety though like I said I've seen data that addressed the issue more broadly but argh not finding it atm. ChaosTonyV4 posted... Setting aside that FDR is our longest serving President wait what does this have to do with anything? The New Deal? It had numerous provisions that uh... were bad on racial issues. Housing segregation is a big one IIRC. Or if you just mean generally "FDR was a democrat checkmate!" I mean... "so?" That was kinda a unique circumstance what with the Great Depression happening and then WWII after it. ChaosTonyV4 posted... In recent years, Democrats consistently get more votes overall, but lose based on how our system is setup. but isn't your criticism that the democratic party establishment isn't actually progressive? Many right-wing talking points have been baked in to most "mainstream" economic discussion for a long time. I mean, it's a credit that Obama didn't go for austerity like some of Europe did in response to the Recession but a lot of attitudes around labor, welfare, etc have been tilted far enough that it's not as straight-forward as "Dems win the popular vote all the time so the public supports progressive economic policy" I mean... polling shows they do but I think you would agree that it is alarmingly easy for the right to get people to go against those very same proposals they support even if it's against their own interests. Yes, the electoral system makes things harder too because it's intentionally undemocratic and distorts everything grotesquely but there's more factors at play than just that! --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:921864244] in Politics C... [t:77687499]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Is this even really true?</quote> Yes. I swear there was a more straight-forward study (or presentation of data) but since I didn't save it or anything, here's the best reference I could get on short notice: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/30/white-americas-racial-resentment-is-the-real-impetus-for-welfare-cuts-study-says The study covered by the article has a more narrow focus of showing how opposition to welfare in white Americans is tied to racial anxiety though like I said I've seen data that addressed the issue more broadly but argh not finding it atm. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Setting aside that FDR is our longest serving President</quote> wait what does this have to do with anything? The New Deal? It had numerous provisions that uh... were bad on racial issues. Housing segregation is a big one IIRC. Or if you just mean generally "FDR was a democrat checkmate!" I mean... "so?" That was kinda a unique circumstance what with the Great Depression happening and then WWII after it. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>In recent years, Democrats consistently get more votes overall, but lose based on how our system is setup.</quote> but isn't your criticism that the democratic party establishment isn't actually progressive? Many right-wing talking points have been baked in to most "mainstream" economic discussion for a long time. I mean, it's a credit that Obama didn't go for austerity like some of Europe did in response to the Recession but a lot of attitudes around labor, welfare, etc have been tilted far enough that it's not as straight-forward as "Dems win the popular vote all the time so the public supports progressive economic policy" I mean... polling shows they do but I think you would agree that it is alarmingly easy for the right to get people to go against those very same proposals they support even if it's against their own interests. Yes, the electoral system makes things harder too because it's intentionally undemocratic and distorts everything grotesquely but there's more factors at play than just that! --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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