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Topic	"Maybe it's not to late to learn how to love and forget how to hate"
kind9 08/01/19 12:34:51 PM #20:	darkknight109 posted... kind9 posted... So conflicting ideologies may not be the source of hatred and intolerance, but they are most definitely a cause. Especially theistic, dogmatic religions that literally state, "this is the way and all others are false." Numbers don't gel with your argument. Taking a look at the two largest religions,there's about 2.2 billion Christians in the world and 1.8 billion Muslims. Collectively they make up over half the world's population. If even a tenth of those people were the dogmatic, "I will literally kill you for not believing what I do" sort that you're claiming religion fosters they would constitute an army greater than any that has ever been assembled in the history of the world and their resultant wars with one another, and with the rest of the planet, would put both World Wars to shame in terms of impact and death tolls. PO said it best - religions, historically, were an excuse for a lot of conflicts, but they've seldom been the cause. Had religion never been a thing, the wars still would have happened, just for a different reason. I don't know what you think my argument is, but you read way too much into my two short sentences. For one we constantly see religious extremism and conflicts happening today. And my argument is that religion leads to hatred and intolerance and superstitious thinking stifles critical thinking. ParanoidObsessive posted... kind9 posted... It goes way farther back to our stone age ancestors who worshiped nature and the shamans who profited from these superstitions by claiming to have direct communication with nature spirits If you don't actually know anything significant about what you're talking about, you probably shouldn't attempt to use it in an argument. I'm willing to bet you know literally nothing about prehistorical social structures and interaction other than what you've read in fiction or what other people have told you in passing. Why so hostile suddenly? Here I thought this was a peaceful discussion and out of nowhere you throw an ad hom at me. Pray tell, what did I get wrong? For the record our knowledge of prehistoric humans is largely based on observing modern tribes, but what I said is believed to be the case. Edit: Also for the record, 1) Yes I do have a surface knowledge of all of this, 2) I'll be happy to admit when I'm wrong because I don't like being wrong, and 3) I don't even think I was contradicting you, I just added on to what you said. So I'm a little baffled by your reply. --- https://imgur.com/NkZUeFd <cite>kind9 posted [p:925478153] in "Mayb... [t:77885394]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>So conflicting ideologies may not be the source of hatred and intolerance, but they are most definitely a cause. Especially theistic, dogmatic religions that literally state, "this is the way and all others are false."</quote> Numbers don't gel with your argument. Taking a look at the two largest religions,there's about 2.2 billion Christians in the world and 1.8 billion Muslims. Collectively they make up over half the world's population. If even a tenth of those people were the dogmatic, "I will literally kill you for not believing what I do" sort that you're claiming religion fosters they would constitute an army greater than any that has ever been assembled in the history of the world and their resultant wars with one another, and with the rest of the planet, would put both World Wars to shame in terms of impact and death tolls. PO said it best - religions, historically, were an excuse for a lot of conflicts, but they've seldom been the cause. Had religion never been a thing, the wars still would have happened, just for a different reason.</quote> I don't know what you think my argument is, but you read way too much into my two short sentences. For one we constantly see religious extremism and conflicts happening today. And my argument is that religion leads to hatred and intolerance and superstitious thinking stifles critical thinking. ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>It goes way farther back to our stone age ancestors who worshiped nature and the shamans who profited from these superstitions by claiming to have direct communication with nature spirits</quote> If you don't actually know anything significant about what you're talking about, you probably shouldn't attempt to use it in an argument. I'm willing to bet you know literally nothing about prehistorical social structures and interaction other than what you've read in fiction or what other people have told you in passing. </quote> Why so hostile suddenly? Here I thought this was a peaceful discussion and out of nowhere you throw an ad hom at me. Pray tell, what did I get wrong? For the record our knowledge of prehistoric humans is largely based on observing modern tribes, but what I said is believed to be the case. Edit: Also for the record, 1) Yes I do have a surface knowledge of all of this, 2) I'll be happy to admit when I'm wrong because I don't like being wrong, and 3) I don't even think I was contradicting you, I just added on to what you said. So I'm a little baffled by your reply. --- https://imgur.com/NkZUeFd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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