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ParanoidObsessive 09/16/19 4:44:13 AM #253:	Aaantlion posted... Then perhaps you need to see it again. Why would I do that? I have self-respect, I'm relatively fond of myself, and I'm not into masochism. Aaantlion posted... Kevin Smith being snarky, that's a refreshing change. At any rate, I have more faith in Burton than Smith to make any movie, excluding maybe a lackluster stoner comedy. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you - Kevin Smith's relative creative output took a huge dump after he discovered the joys of marijuana and started burning off 90% of his creative energy doing his podcast. Though to be fair, Burton should be pretty good at making films regardless. He's been making the same one over and over again for 30 years, you'd think all that practice would pay off eventually. Aaantlion posted... 100% worth the sacrifice It really, really wasn't. Aaantlion posted... Oh, no, a comic book fan might be displeased by something! That can't happen! If you have such disdain for the fans of a medium, to the point where you're willing to generalize and dismiss them all, why should anyone have a massive hard-on for adapting every single story the medium has ever shat out? Aaantlion posted... Has there been a single movie where comic book fans didn't find fault? Quite a lot, actually. Mainly the good ones. The trick is, you have to differentiate between the Simpson's Comic Book Guy type fans who will literally hate everything, and the more temperate comic fans who are more than willing to accept adaptations in cases where it feels like the adaptation captures the feel of the original comic even if it doesn't literally mimic every single facet of it. For instance, most comic fans loved the first two X-Men movies, the first two Spider-Man movies, and most of the MCU movies. Aside from the pedants complaining that they gave Spider-Man organic web-shooters (even as the sane and rational fans accepted it worked better in the context of the movie), or the real dorks who whine because the X-Men were wearing black leather instead of yellow spandex (and again, movie compromises), most fans were cool with them. It's in the same vein where most Tolkien fans loved the LotR movies.... while a lot of them hated the Hobbit movies. There's a difference between an adaptation coming from a place of love trying to maintain or even improve on the feel and essence of the original, and a half-assed adaptation coming from someone who's sort of stopped caring and is just trying to get the movie out on-time and under-budget while in the middle of a nervous breakdown. Aaantlion posted... I greatly favor the film. You may be the first human being on the entire planet who has ever said those words in that context and actually mean them. Aaantlion posted... And sure, I can't remember if I read the comic before the movie so maybe part of it is having seen the film first. I'm willing to say this is almost certainly the case. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:927505104] in Valley of ... [t:77923465]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>Then perhaps you need to see it again. </quote> Why would I do that? I have self-respect, I'm relatively fond of myself, and I'm not into masochism. <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>Kevin Smith being snarky, that's a refreshing change. At any rate, I have more faith in Burton than Smith to make any movie, excluding maybe a lackluster stoner comedy. </quote> I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you - Kevin Smith's relative creative output took a huge dump after he discovered the joys of marijuana and started burning off 90% of his creative energy doing his podcast. Though to be fair, Burton should be pretty good at making films regardless. He's been making the same one over and over again for 30 years, you'd think all that practice would pay off eventually. <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>100% worth the sacrifice</quote> It really, really wasn't. <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, no, a comic book fan might be displeased by something! That can't happen!</quote> If you have such disdain for the fans of a medium, to the point where you're willing to generalize and dismiss them all, why should anyone have a massive hard-on for adapting every single story the medium has ever shat out? <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>Has there been a single movie where comic book fans didn't find fault? </quote> Quite a lot, actually. Mainly the good ones. The trick is, you have to differentiate between the Simpson's Comic Book Guy type fans who will literally hate everything, and the more temperate comic fans who are more than willing to accept adaptations in cases where it feels like the adaptation captures the feel of the original comic even if it doesn't literally mimic every single facet of it. For instance, most comic fans loved the first two X-Men movies, the first two Spider-Man movies, and most of the MCU movies. Aside from the pedants complaining that they gave Spider-Man organic web-shooters (even as the sane and rational fans accepted it worked better in the context of the movie), or the real dorks who whine because the X-Men were wearing black leather instead of yellow spandex (and again, movie compromises), most fans were cool with them. It's in the same vein where most Tolkien fans loved the LotR movies.... while a lot of them hated the Hobbit movies. There's a difference between an adaptation coming from a place of love trying to maintain or even improve on the feel and essence of the original, and a half-assed adaptation coming from someone who's sort of stopped caring and is just trying to get the movie out on-time and under-budget while in the middle of a nervous breakdown. <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>I greatly favor the film.</quote> You may be the first human being on the entire planet who has ever said those words in that context and actually mean them. <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>And sure, I can't remember if I read the comic before the movie so maybe part of it is having seen the film first.</quote> I'm willing to say this is almost certainly the case. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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