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Topic	Democrat congressman blames McConnell for California school shooting
scorpion41 11/20/19 10:59:43 PM #81:	joe40001 posted... scorpion41 posted... joe40001 posted... Mr Hangman posted... I don't think it would prevent most of them. Not zero, sure. "If it saves one life then it's worth doing!" I hear you say. But no, that's wrong. Lowering the speed limits to 20 MPH everywhere at all times would save lives, but we don't do that. The costs would be greater than the benefits. Gun licenses and background checks are already required. Red flag laws are, to put it generously, on very shaky ground with regard to due process. It sends cops to deal with the mentally ill. People with untreated mental illness are 16 times more likely to be killed by law enforcement https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/state-law/50-state-summaries/licensing-state-by-state/ You don't even have to go down the list at all before you encounter states that don't require gun licenses https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/universal-background-checks/ Only 12 states have Universal Background Checks. Don't like red flag? Fine. But make UBC and gun license requirements federal and you will save significant innocent lives, and despite your hyperbole will not cripple society in the same way slowing all cars to 20mph would. What will expanding background checks accomplish? Flagging the mentally ill? Yeah good luck with that one flying in court. Nice straw man The description of the law is right there for you to read. It's not an expansion, it's just implementing UBC in the 38 states that don't have it. Same with the licensing in the states that don't have it. You still cant flag the mentally ill, homie. That would require making their medical records public, which is in violation of HIPAA rules unless it is involved with past criminal activity. And all states require background checks when buying through FFL dealers. Even with UBC in place, private deals can and will occur with little or no consequence to the seller. Scratch the serial off and you have an untraceable weapon. Background check laws only hamstring people going the legal route to procure a weapon...they dont do much to deter a criminal. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:930455198] in Democrat c... [t:78164909]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted...</cite> <quote>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think it would prevent most of them. Not zero, sure. "If it saves one life then it's worth doing!" I hear you say. But no, that's wrong. Lowering the speed limits to 20 MPH everywhere at all times would save lives, but we don't do that. The costs would be greater than the benefits. Gun licenses and background checks are already required. Red flag laws are, to put it generously, on very shaky ground with regard to due process. It sends cops to deal with the mentally ill. People with untreated mental illness are 16 times more likely to be killed by law enforcement</quote> https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/state-law/50-state-summaries/licensing-state-by-state/ You don't even have to go down the list at all before you encounter states that don't require gun licenses https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/universal-background-checks/ Only 12 states have Universal Background Checks. Don't like red flag? Fine. But make UBC and gun license requirements federal and you will save significant innocent lives, and despite your hyperbole will not cripple society in the same way slowing all cars to 20mph would.</quote> What will expanding background checks accomplish? Flagging the mentally ill? Yeah good luck with that one flying in court.</quote>Nice straw man The description of the law is right there for you to read. It's not an expansion, it's just implementing UBC in the 38 states that don't have it. Same with the licensing in the states that don't have it.</quote> You still cant flag the mentally ill, homie. That would require making their medical records public, which is in violation of HIPAA rules unless it is involved with past criminal activity. And all states require background checks when buying through FFL dealers. Even with UBC in place, private deals can and will occur with little or no consequence to the seller. Scratch the serial off and you have an untraceable weapon. Background check laws only hamstring people going the legal route to procure a weapon...they dont do much to deter a criminal. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14(PS3)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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