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Topic	Mycro ranks the 278 VGM tracks nominated by BOARD EIGHT [rankings] 3 -(TOP_100)-
Toxtricity 07/06/21 3:58:50 PM #48:	96nd Game: Secret of Mana Title: Into the Thick of It Composer: Hiroki Kikuta Nominator: AndywoodCubeGmr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqd09mRVm8A i have always loved the secret of mana ost; and this track always felt like the most "iconic" track in my eyes, the track that starts playing in my head when someone says "secret of mana music"; it's far from my favorite, but certainly something i always eagerly come back to within the ost alex jone high shchool OK this also has the thing "hiroki kikuta chords have lots of notes in them" yeah. like see look how close together all the intervals are to each other on the picture! some of them are right next to each other on the piano!!!!! but they sound "chill" instead of "dissonant" and that is because "jazz" or something i think(allan). that sequence generates a lot of "chill chords" like 7ths and sus chords and i like those ones. i think importantly to my older music taste: this is very based on a repeating loop . and that loop is like "cool" and constant 8ths so it's like it's made by a computer but it still evokes nature somehow like the cover art of secret of mana which is the color green which is good and cool. oh yeah and the melody is harmonized in a cool weird way at :34 ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. in general at times it can be hard to determine which layer is meant to be the "lead melody" which is honestly fucking awesome. there's just...so much room for interpretation in this short little song. i hear it as a completely different song every time this song is so overstimulating for what's only like 8 notes and not even having drums in this version it's just like...every 8th note there is a new block of sound from that main loop, and then also all the other layers sometimes too. like the fact that the lead has EVERY note in it have a new choir chord underneath it at :24-:27 is SO COOL it is like impossible to follow beyond the abstract feeling of that it sounds really cool..... theres just so many layers. choir chords, melody, plucked loop from the start, other cool sequences that pop in and out, and every time i listen i can focus on something different and get something different out of the song. i definitely like the typical 90s jrpg nature world sound, and tend to point to Chrono Trigger more often than SoM, but honestly Secret of Mana is like even more "interesting" about how it evokes everything it does than CT imo. like there just aren't many other games of the era with arrangements as dense and 'intricate' as this and stuff. if you pause at any individual moment there's SOME cool harmony going on, but the next second of the song will be an entirely different cool harmony. and somehow every note of the song is just a constant of this, without sounding literally overwh5elming; and instead sounding beautiful and MAGICAL just like disney world right now i'm skimming through the ost for the other versions of this song like "Did You See the Ocean" and stuff, i'm honestly not sure which one i prefer most. this one's certainly the most melodic but it's less energetic than the ones with drums man i always complain about like when vgm has like "every note the same volume" with no nuance and stuff (main reason i can't stand banjo kazooie). that in-your-face fakeness can be a detractor. but Hiroki Kikuta just ALWAYS makes it work perfectly to my ears somehow? I think it's because it has a mystical feeling kinda like Joe Hisaishi, and it's not necesarily trying to imitate an existing musical genre; it's just being its own thing. so like if this was trying to be "swing jazz" i would think the artifice feels really hokey and hard to take serious, but this is just its own world...there's not really any other "real music" that sounds quite like this joe hisaishi is about the only other composer i can think of where this overt fakeness somehow works perfectly to sell mystical natural atmospheres and here are some examples (i'm pretty sure this parallel is on purpose) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO0TOY9lopo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSLlX4czsZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5tJImwhchc (i was going to link a bunch more from ghibli animes but they are hard to find on youtube because of copyright strikes it seems but there are probably better examples from like 80s ghibli than what i posted here) --- time <cite>Toxtricity posted [p:955807461] in Mycro rank... [t:79374344]...</cite> <quote>96nd Game: Secret of Mana Title: Into the Thick of It Composer: Hiroki Kikuta Nominator: AndywoodCubeGmr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqd09mRVm8A i have always loved the secret of mana ost; and this track always felt like the most "iconic" track in my eyes, the track that starts playing in my head when someone says "secret of mana music"; it's far from my favorite, but certainly something i always eagerly come back to within the ost alex jone high shchool OK this also has the thing "hiroki kikuta chords have lots of notes in them" yeah. like see look how close together all the intervals are to each other on the picture! some of them are right next to each other on the piano!!!!! but they sound "chill" instead of "dissonant" and that is because "jazz" or something i think(allan). that sequence generates a lot of "chill chords" like 7ths and sus chords and i like those ones. i think importantly to my older music taste: this is very based on a repeating loop . and that loop is like "cool" and constant 8ths so it's like it's made by a computer but it still evokes nature somehow like the cover art of secret of mana which is the color green which is good and cool. oh yeah and the melody is harmonized in a cool weird way at :34 ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. in general at times it can be hard to determine which layer is meant to be the "lead melody" which is honestly fucking awesome. there's just...so much room for interpretation in this short little song. i hear it as a completely different song every time this song is so overstimulating for what's only like 8 notes and not even having drums in this version it's just like...every 8th note there is a new block of sound from that main loop, and then also all the other layers sometimes too. like the fact that the lead has EVERY note in it have a new choir chord underneath it at :24-:27 is SO COOL it is like impossible to follow beyond the abstract feeling of that it sounds really cool..... theres just so many layers. choir chords, melody, plucked loop from the start, other cool sequences that pop in and out, and every time i listen i can focus on something different and get something different out of the song. i definitely like the typical 90s jrpg nature world sound, and tend to point to Chrono Trigger more often than SoM, but honestly Secret of Mana is like even more "interesting" about how it evokes everything it does than CT imo. like there just aren't many other games of the era with arrangements as dense and 'intricate' as this and stuff. if you pause at any individual moment there's SOME cool harmony going on, but the next second of the song will be an entirely different cool harmony. and somehow every note of the song is just a constant of this, without sounding literally overwh5elming; and instead sounding beautiful and MAGICAL just like disney world right now i'm skimming through the ost for the other versions of this song like "Did You See the Ocean" and stuff, i'm honestly not sure which one i prefer most. this one's certainly the most melodic but it's less energetic than the ones with drums man i always complain about like when vgm has like "every note the same volume" with no nuance and stuff (main reason i can't stand banjo kazooie). that in-your-face fakeness can be a detractor. but Hiroki Kikuta just ALWAYS makes it work perfectly to my ears somehow? I think it's because it has a mystical feeling kinda like Joe Hisaishi, and it's not necesarily trying to imitate an existing musical genre; it's just being its own thing. so like if this was trying to be "swing jazz" i would think the artifice feels really hokey and hard to take serious, but this is just its own world...there's not really any other "real music" that sounds quite like this joe hisaishi is about the only other composer i can think of where this overt fakeness somehow works perfectly to sell mystical natural atmospheres and here are some examples (i'm pretty sure this parallel is on purpose) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO0TOY9lopo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSLlX4czsZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5tJImwhchc (i was going to link a bunch more from ghibli animes but they are hard to find on youtube because of copyright strikes it seems but there are probably better examples from like 80s ghibli than what i posted here) --- time</quote> ... 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