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Espeon posted...

I FULLY acknowledge that these moderate voters are infuriating for progressives, because Im considered a far-left radical to my moderate Democrat parents whenever I try to explain basic progressive concepts to them (eg. college tuition nowadays is exponentially higher than what they had to pay in their youth, there is a greater societal pressure to attend college nowadays in order to gain a job, and there are fewer available high-paying jobs because people retire much later).

tl;dr your parents are stupid, and instead of blaming your parents, you're blaming people like me.

In all seriousness, you don't seem to get the reason why "people are conservative".

Outside of actual Conservatives, they're actually not! The thing is, a lot of them are like you: If you ask them "do you think it's morally right for people to have healthcare, housing, food, etc", most of them will say yes. Literally everyone who doesn't identify as "Conservative" or "Capitalist" will say yes.

But then people like you, aka focusgroup libs, will intentionally frame the question as "Well, do you support healthcare for other people in exchange for tax increase", and then the people who have employer healthcare go "Wait a minute, what do I get out of this?"

Your specific recommendation of saying "Let's do this and raise taxes" will lose as hard as Jimmy Carter did for reelection. Conservatives don't focus on the reality of payment, they focus on their moral imperatives, and it's time Libs shut the fuck up and do that too.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

my country has a vibrant, longstanding tradition of socialism that simply does not exist in the US, and never has. THAT'S the problem. if true socialism can even exist in the country at all, it's going to take a ton more to get there than "being more nice to lib dems."

See what's funny is that the US had a massive socialist population in the early 1900's!

The trajectory of our country could have been massively different had FDR kept Henry Wallace as his VP, but the Democratic Party of 1944 was functionally identical to Inviso in that they demanded he replace him with a moderate, and he did--then he died.

Inviso literally said "mainly the first half of the 20th century" when that was definitively the most Socialist the US has ever been. You are conflating racism and jingoism with Conservatism, as if it's a binary thing. Inviso, I think reading or listening to some history of our country would do you some good.

Secondly, you're using "a couple Republicans won really hard" as evidence of America being Conservative, which if you drill down to the actual elections doesn't even make sense. Carter was a good dude who was a terrible politician, and Mondale's campaign was like "what if Carter again but more shitlib".