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YoukaiSlayer
09/08/22 9:04:03 AM
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adjl posted...
A new thing that looks exactly like you, has exactly the same memories, personality, beliefs, and experiences, and will behave exactly as you would have, were you still around to do it. Being destroyed and recreated exactly as you were an instant prior is functionally identical to surviving the destructive event. I'd call that a whole lot better than not surviving it.
That's not you though. It's not functionally identical to surviving. Your consciousness turned off and never turned back on again. You died. Same as the teleporter example you mentioned when you brought it up originally. The easy proof of this is what happens if it makes that exact copy and you don't die? Is it that copy you? No, obviously not. You don't suddenly exist in two places as a dual being or something.

adjl posted...
There's a bit of inference involved in guessing that the annihilation issue is based on matter-antimatter interactions, since that's a bit of real-world physics that lines up perfectly with the phenomena described, but that's well within the realm of reading between the lines.
That's not a line that should be left for inference. There's so many people that don't even realize that everybody dies twice in this game, once in alrest/bionis and once at the end of the game. If the vast majority of your audience walks away without understanding what happened, that's pretty bad.


adjl posted...
They made it using pre-existing technology (Origin's data is stored in core crystals, which were already available in Alrest) to manipulate an energy source far, far greater than anything they could ever have created themselves (a universe's worth of E=mc^2). Nothing about that means they have the power nor the knowledge to do everything that energy could possibly be used for.
They presumably still have at least some of pneuma right? We see the picture of pyra and mythra with kids. The fact that something was able to create the conduit at some point means theres clearly a way around the physics of annihilation that some alien civilization found at one point. Work to find it yourselves. It also calls into question why they didn't realize the universes would collide in the first place until suddenly became away of the other universe, somehow. Almost as if wasn't a reasonable thing to think would happen. Nothing about the end of the first 2 games gave any indication that all their work was for nothing and both universes would annihilate.

adjl posted...
Nia's animation of the collision suggests it's quite a bit more than just a couple planets colliding. A spaceship isn't going to be able to cover that kind of distance before the annihilation blast (which would be moving at the speed of light) catches up to them.
All it does is show the two planets collide. In fact, I think they don't even mention the universes colliding, only the planets. The collision we see a bit of is a physical collision with explosions and stuff. I don't think theres any reason to think annihilation effect was even going to happen or if it did, it wouldn't matter because the planets would have already exploded physically. And again, in her post game ascension quest she said the planets never knew of each other until Z created aionios, which goes against everything the games plot was made from, so I think you give them too much credit.

They also managed to somehow send origin to a neutral space, why not send all the people with it? Move them to some 3rd universe. Do something.

adjl posted...
Again, it's not really oblivion if you remember and continue to experience everything that existed before the event. Nobody's past ever really exists. Memories and extrapolations from present observations are all we have by which to define it.
The past exists in the fact that cause and effect is stable. Regardless, memories aren't even what I'm talking about here. An exact copy of you still isn't you. The lights don't just turn back on for you after you've died and a copy is made or else a second light would come on when a copy is made without you dying.


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