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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I don't recall doing that.

I recall some definite pedantry over whether or not it was "phobic," but it seems like you've got the right of it now, so I'm fine to call that irrelevant. I could also have conflated somebody else making such a comment with you. Either way, it's a moot point.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

And I don't dislike trans people.

You just don't think their existence is legitimate.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm am entirely indifferent to their membership of a group.

This frames being trans as a matter of arbitrarily choosing to join some kind of "trans club" and not of taking the necessary steps to solve a very serious and dangerous health problem in a matter consistent with the best available medical science. The idea that people "choose to be trans" fundamentally misunderstands and downplays the issue at hand, and is a common element of transphobic rhetoric.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

There are positions I don't agree with but disagreement on a singular issue is a separate matter from how I feel toward those I disagree with.

The problem being that what you're calling simple disagreement and considering to be nothing more than an academic exercise is an opinion that kills people. Gender dysphoria has an extremely high suicide rate associated with it, a suicide rate which can be dramatically reduced by simply accepting trans people for who they are. As such, not accepting them for who they are (which is inherent in disagreeing with the fundamental concept of being trans) has significant potential to be fatal.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Though, you, adjl, are known from previous discussions to assign malicious intent to those you disagree with. So I expect to you disagreement alone is seen as an indication of my feelings.

As I said earlier, I'm willing to believe you're doing this out of ignorance and not malice. The fact of the matter, though, is that whether it's because you don't understand the situation or because you actually want to hurt trans people, the kind of rhetoric you've espoused is harmful to trans people. That means you're now into the territory of culpable ignorance: you know that you should know better, so you are still responsible for any harm arising from your ignorance. Try to avoid that. If you don't, that's no better than acting in malice from the outset.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Past moderations which were equally unclear and I believe were frivolous.

A significant number have been associated with suggesting that nothing should be done to curb the pandemic, which is 100% fair game no matter what you want to believe.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm starting to think the goal is to prevent people from understanding each other.

Except you're the only one who has trouble understanding anything. Everyone else understands each other just fine without having to ask questions that implicitly grant legitimacy to some genuinely abhorrent positions.

To invoke Godwin's law, asking "Was there really anything wrong with what Hitler did?" is an example of "simply asking a question to get a better understanding of the situation" that would get you kicked out of pretty much any conversation that doesn't involve heiling anything. By asking the question, you're implying that the alternative to the accepted position (that Hitler was a turbodink) is legitimate enough that you and everyone else should be considering it. People are going to take issue with that, and quite reasonably so.

I hate to blow you off entirely from such discussions because I believe that you genuinely don't realize what's wrong with a lot of the things you say and shutting you out of discussions just leads to ridiculously radicalized viewpoints like "the democrats are authoritarians who emotionally manipulate people into a state of panic" because you'll find yourself more accepted in communities that do entertain the alternatives you present. At the same time, though, you have some responsibility to learn for yourself how people actually work and why people take issue with your behaviour. You can't expect everyone here to hold your hand through everything and just smile and nod when you break out talking points that would be more at home in a Hitler's Youth convention. Nobody wants that here, so you'll be moderated accordingly.