Board 8 > I've been replaying Apollo Justice over the last few days...(SPOILERS)

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And probably the most disappointing thing about this game is that there are flashes where it's pretty good, but that's all they are. Just flashes. There's no consistency. I'm currently playing through 4-2, and it has the makings of an interesting case, but there's the awful first investigation day, panty-snatching, and Trucy staging a fake kidnapping with the Amazing Mr. Hat to postpone the verdict (which is far worse than any spirit channeling deus ex machina the PW games pulled off, by the way). But the second trial day is actually pretty good, as well as the moment where Eldoon removes his hat and talks to you about Wocky as a doctor during the second investigation day, and Alita Tiala is a decent culprit. She has some good cross-examinations.

But Klavier Gavin's not really a compelling prosecutor aside from having some cool animations (like, is anybody actually going to miss him if there's an Apollo Justice sequel?), and I have a hard time telling what kind of prosecutor he's supposed to be. There are times when he points out contradictions for you and seems to be rather helpful, but then there are other times when he deliberately hides relevant facts (like the fact that Machi isn't the one who's blind, Lamiroir is). I don't really like Klavier's rock star persona either. He tries to come off as cool, but instead he comes off as rather dull. The only time he feels like a real prosecutor is in 4-4 when he's going at it with Kristoph at the end.

And I don't think I really would've minded all the stuff about Phoenix being stripped of his attorney's badge if they had actually pulled it off well. Plus, his raging indifference and general unwillingness to be helpful when you talk to him as Apollo bothers me quite a bit because it doesn't feel like him. I know he'd have reason to change over the course of seven years, especially with the stuff that happened to him, but there's just something kinda irritating about the fact that he doesn't really seem to care about being any sort of mentor to Apollo when he could've been. Plus, Phoenix and Trucy's interactions are just...I dunno the right word to describe them, but I don't like them. I suppose they're too silly for their own good, especially Trucy. I mean, I do like Trucy on the whole, but there are times with the ridiculosity (to borrow a word from Redd White) of their relationship goes a bit too far.

I don't know if there's really a point to this topic other than to say that Apollo Justice has some unrealized potential, and I wouldn't really mind a sequel where they could possibly capitalize on it, especially now that Hobonix's story is essentially finished. I liked Apollo quite a bit, but the game didn't really do much with him as a character. By the end of the first PW, Phoenix was a fully developed and fleshed out character. I can't say the same for Apollo because he gets overshadowed by Hobonix for most of the game, but he could become a good character in his own right if Capcom would let him get out of the shadow of Phoenix Wright and stand on his own.

I know that's not a popular opinion and most people would prefer if Capcom somehow retconned Apollo Justice so that it never happened and Ace Attorney 5 went back to Phoenix, but I think he deserves another shot if they could just cut back on the silliness of the first AJ a bit and give Apollo some time in the spotlight.

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I've been replaying Apollo Justice over the last few days...

I'm sorry.

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I thought most people would prefer Apollo Justice getting the spotlight.

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No need to feel sorry for me! I actually like the game. It's just sort of frustrating to play at times because of all the unrealized potential it has.

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Opinion on 4-3

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I completely agree with pretty much everything you said

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From: RappinHobo9292 | #005
Opinion on 4-3

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Second trial day is actually pretty good because it doesn't deal with all the nonsense that is the impossibility of Machi actually being able to kill Romein LeTouse. I like Daryan quite a bit, probably more than most people. His breakdown is the greatest.

The first trial day is so mindbogglingly frustrating because nobody brings up the OBVIOUS problem with Machi firing the revolver, despite the fact that they sort of dance around it without ever touching on it. "If you didn't know how to use it, you could do some serious damage to yourself." And yet there's no problem with assuming a small 12-year-old boy can shoot the thing not once but twice with no physical repercussion (which is funny because it's assumed the reason the first shot missed was because the shooter didn't know how to use the revolver properly, again dancing around it without ever touching on it).

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Oh man, the tape. That was awful.

The sounding board thing was actually pretty neat though. I liked that.

But I did dislike how the game advertised being able to "recreate the crime scene!" and literally the only time you do anything like that are in 4-1 when you spin the chair around and move the cabinet, and that's with Phoenix telling you exactly what to do instead of you figuring it out for yourself.

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I hated that damn tape in 4-3.

**** you judge.

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Oh yeah, recreating the crime scene. Man I wished there were more of those.

At least Investigations did it again. With Magi-tech, but still.

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great game, good characters, very intense moments, plot is a bit more ridiculous than usual but who really cares

much. much better than slow, boring, sleep inducing aai

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The annoying thing about Klavier is that a ton of things happen to him that could have made him interesting. His best friend turning out to be a murderer, his brother turning out to be a murderer, his first major victory turning out to be a fraud...yet he just sorta ignores all that. The feeling I get is that I'm watching the movie version of a book and thinking "this character was probably great in the book before they had to cut most of his development." Except this is the original version.

From: Natwaf_akidna | #003
I thought most people would prefer Apollo Justice getting the spotlight.

It's hard to get a good read on Apollo because he's just so unbelievably generic and gets no time for development because it's all about the magic people and Phoenix Wright.

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AAI beats Apollo Justice just by having this:



Everything else is gravy.

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In fairness, I think AJ has one of the best cornered themes in the series.

You don't have to agree with me.

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Worst part of Apollo Justice is that Capcom was so damn proud of that stupid FMV they did in case 3 and insisted that the player was reminded of how awesome it was 400 times.

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From: AlphaRayAllen | #016
In fairness, I think AJ has one of the best cornered themes in the series.

You don't have to agree with me.

I think that song is the best song in the series.

Original PW Cornered is #2, Announce The Truth 2009 is #3.

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Apollo Justice has some pretty good songs. I like the Allegro cross-examination theme a lot, too.

And like I said, Apollo is likable enough in the game. He's a good straight man, albeit he goes to the well a bit too often with some of his schticks (like using his last name as a pun, Chords of Steel, and his love of red). He just needs an opportunity to spread his wings a bit. We don't know much about the guy other than who his mother and sister are. We don't know why he wanted to become a defense attorney or anything like that.

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Apollo just comes off as so plain in a game so full of gimmicks.

Like, I know it's Ace Attorney, but somehow the AJ cast just comes off as a freak show compared to the rest.

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Well, I suppose he does come across as plain because he's essentially normal in a game full of weirdos and terrible human beings like Zak Gramarye. AJ does go overboard on the silliness. Toning back on that was one of the things I mentioned that could really help in the future if Capcom ever did make a sequel.

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Pretty much agree with Leon on everything in this topic. AJ has legit good parts. Eldoon becoming serious, everything dealing with the Kitaki family (especially Plum and Winfred), Kristoph being a genius psychopath with his nail polish poisoning, the emphasis on victims throughout the game (all victims speak at least one line and actually have some character!), even parts in the Mason System. But then there were a lot of dumb parts, too.

The annoying thing about Klavier is that a ton of things happen to him that could have made him interesting. His best friend turning out to be a murderer, his brother turning out to be a murderer, his first major victory turning out to be a fraud...yet he just sorta ignores all that

Oh my god, THIS SO MUCH. Having Daryan, a band member that he really trusted, actually turn out to be a murderer and corrupt and what does he do? AIR GUITAR, ONE-LINER. That's it. God, that was so...argh. Daryan seemed to care for Klavier a lot more than the other way around. I really want to like Klavier, he has some really good lines and has a cool concept to him. But I feel like they didn't know what to do with his character and they didn't expand on him much.

Apollo's good. Two things, though. He's too much like Phoenix. If you're going to make a new character, I say you should do something new with his personality. Secondly, there is no info we have about him. Apollo at the beginning of 4-1 and Apollo at the end of 4-4 are essentially the same person. Either Hobonix or Klavier or Kristoph is helping him out somehow. That is ridiculous.

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I basically agree with most of this. I disliked how little of the game really dealt with Apollo, seemed like he had the presence of a side character more than the main character. third case is honestly my least favorite in the entire series, there's very little I like about it.

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From: SSBM_Guy | #022
the emphasis on victims throughout the game (all victims speak at least one line and actually have some character!)

Eh, I wouldn't say there's an emphasis on it. Drew Misham's probably the best victim in the series though, aside from Mia Fey technically.

Apollo Justice also went way too far with the "completely uncooperative defendant" schtick. It was good in 4-2. We didn't need to see it again in 4-3 AND 4-4.

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Drew Misham, so good. Maybe not emphasis, but it's the only one in the series where all victims have established personalities.

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You know, I've thrown this idea around before, but nobody else seems to like it.

During the credits of Apollo Justice, Phoenix jokingly suggests he might take the bar exam again and get back into law.

Well, what if Phoenix decided to pull a Godot and become a prosecutor? I wouldn't want him to be the main prosecutor for the whole game, mind you, but maybe just for the epic case at the very end, and he would be back to being the Phoenix we all know and love. Could you imagine actually having to face down Phoenix Wright in an epic case? I think the change is a little too jarring for people and they don't really like it, but I think it'd be awesome if they did it right.

Or they could bring back a 35 year old Edgeworth or something. That's another one of the things that bothers me about Apollo Justice. Virtually nothing is said about any of Phoenix's former associates, except Ema Skye, of course. There's a passing reference to Maya during 4-2 where it's implied that Phoenix still keeps in contact with her, but that's it. And where the heck was she during 4-0?

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I once heard a fan theory that Apollo Justice takes place in an alternate timeline that branches from the bad ending of Justice For All. You know, the one where the miracle never happen. It would certainly help to explain a few things about Phoenix; his old friends weren't mentioned because they ditched him after that case, he's so jaded because of being responsible for Adrian Andrews' false arrest and (probably) her eventual death, and that case was also probably the reason that he decided to completely overhaul the justice system; a jury could've seen that Adrian Andrews was innocent. A bit bleak, and the alternate timeline thing might bring it a bit too far into Zelda timeline territory, but it's interesting.

This still doesn't at all explain any of the story's flaws that are not related to Phoenix, though. That aspect was probably more of a case of missed potential than anything. That's pretty much what Apollo Justice is in its entirety; missed potential. Apollo had potential as a fresh new protagonist, Klavier had the potential to be a cool prosecutor with personal connections to some of the villains, a lot of the gameplay systems they added seemed like they could've been interesting... but none of them lived up to what they could've been. And that is the game's greatest disappointment; it was so close to being a worthy successor to the Phoenix Wright trilogy, but they wasted it.

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Yeah, I've mentioned that you could make a connection between 2-4's bad ending and Apollo Justice. I mean, you have to ignore some aspects of 2-4's bad ending (like how Phoenix said he never stepped foot in a courtroom again and he never heard from Maya again, but 1-5 ignored what JFA said about Edgeworth never stepping into a courtroom after 1-4, so it's doable, I guess). You'd have to stretch things out a bit to make it work, really.

augh probably the thing that disappoints me most about Apollo Justice is that Phoenix had finally seemed to have found the love of his life, and then BOOM sorry you lose everything

Heck, Apollo Justice's main theme is NOBODY GETS TO BE HAPPY EVER it seems. Ema Skye fails her forensic scientist test and has to become a detective. Zak Gramarye's entire life seems to revolve around making people miserable. 'hey phoenix I appreciate you taking care of the daughter I selfishly abandoned after I destroyed your potentially promising career in the world of law even though I could have easily given you the note Magnifi wrote me and got myself acquitted immediately because I wanted to show off how great of a magician I am oh by the way I hate you trying to use magic to win poker games so I plan to destroy your only source of income which you use to support the daughter that once again I selfishly and needlessly abandoned because well you just tick me off like that man that's just not the way magic should be used bro so it's time to teach you a lesson'

I mean you couldn't even have given us something as silly as Hobonix and Hobo Iris! Trucy wants a mama, you know!



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Never hearing from Maya again still works, actually, if you assume that it was Edgeworth sending the Steel Samurai DVD's instead.

And my problem with the "nobody gets to be happy" thing is less that nobody gets to be happy and more that the game is completely silly and still does that. If the game took a darker tone, it would work better, but making a game with a more whimsical and over-the top cast than ever before, and then still proceeding to crap on everyone's dreams, just doesn't really fly with me.

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From: Pokalicious | #002
I've been replaying Apollo Justice over the last few days...

I'm sorry.

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Will not finish 4-1, will never finish anything else.

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I played AJ for the first time a few weeks ago. I thought 4-1 is actually really awesome, but that maybe they were using too many good ideas too early in the game.

I was right.

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From: Meow1000 | #030
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Will not finish 4-1, will never finish anything else.

Hey, I did finish 4-1! It's just 4-2 was so atrocious that I had to stop. Ugh panty shenanigans.

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From: Pokalicious | #032
Hey, I did finish 4-1! It's just 4-2 was so atrocious that I had to stop. Ugh panty shenanigans.

If it makes it any better, it's not what you think. It's arguably just as stupid, though for entirely different reasons.

(Never was I less convinced that this series was supposed to be taking place in America and not Japan than in 4-2. And that's despite having Maya dressed in a kimono for three games.)

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First post is 100% accurate. Apollo Justice has moments where it's pretty good. From a purely technical standpoint, it's got great graphics, the touch-screen gameplay was unique, and the music is all around the best in the series (although the original still has the definitive "Objection" and "Cornered" of course).

Plot/character wise, I think most of the main characters are likable. Apollo is great, Trucy is great, Ema is great (I'm definitely NOT one of the people who think Ema was "ruined" by AJ - it seemed like a logical development to me). The main problem with Klavier is that he is burdened by having to follow up Edgeworth (who he doesn't touch in any regard), Godot (who has a better design, gimmick, backstory and court demeanor) and Franziska (who I probably like less than Klavier, but at least she was a tough opponent in court). Klavier just seems like he isn't cut out for the job. He's barely a presence.

I think 4-1 is a pretty good intro case. It's got a decent twist, and the logic is mostly sound. It feels mostly like a typical AA case... and then Phoenix drops the fake evidence and ruins the whole thing, but eh. It's like a slap in the face compared to the brutal curb-stomping of reputation that comes later.

I actually like 4-2. I know, Stickler is terrible and sort of a Wellington rip-off and the whole panty thing is just weird and should've been left out, but the rest of the case is pretty nice. All the main characters are introduced, there's a decent mystery, and Phoenix is barely in it at all. The Kitakis are good characters, and while the payoff and murderer reveal isn't exactly satisfying, it still at least makes logical sense.

4-3 is an abomination and I never want to play it again. The murderer was obvious the moment you see him, there's the whole thing about accusing a blind boy with no motive of firing a gun with huge recoil at a secret agent named "Romein Letouse", and worst of all there's the video you have to re-watch over and over again. Just terrible and no redeeming qualities come to mind.

4-4, and the game is back to having occasional pretty good moments. I truly like and respect the Mishams, Vera and Drew. The stamp thing was brilliant, I thought. It just becomes a bit jumbled and illogical when you bring in 4-0, the connection between Kristoph and Phoenix, the MASON SYSTEM, and the Gramarye's, and Zak Gramarye being a jerk, and the Jurist system and Brushel... I didn't like Brushel, and I'll leave it at that. I could write a 10 page essay on 4-4, but I won't. I'll just say instead...

Phoenix's out-of-character actions and demeanor basically ruin the game. Make Hobonix into some brand-new character and instead of it being a "bad" game it becomes okay, just slightly boring at times. But what's done is done, and my main hope is for an AA5 that features both Apollo and Phoenix working in court together, ending with Phoenix retiring on his own terms and giving the keys to the office to Apollo.

Oh yeah, and it is better than AAI. It just is dudes, sorry. I'll grant you that AAI is funny at some points, but for the most part it's just really boring.

From: colliding | #035
Oh yeah, and it is better than AAI. It just is dudes, sorry. I'll grant you that AAI is funny at some points, but for the most part it's just really boring.

Having just played them both, I could not disagree more. Investigating in AJ is even more boring than investigating in AA1, at least for 4-2 and 4-3. And the trial in 4-3 is factually unbelievable and repetitive to the point of not even being a good trial.

AAI-5 goes on entirely too long and is very anti-climactic once it finally does end, though. That's the only time I was really bored in that game.

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From: Tehmoosey1 | #029
Never hearing from Maya again still works, actually, if you assume that it was Edgeworth sending the Steel Samurai DVD's instead.

Nah, it doesn't really make much sense that way because Edgeworth would never admit that he's a Steel Samurai fanatic to anyone, and Phoenix says the person who sends him the stuff is a "kid."

Also, AAI > AJ, but all three PW games are better than both. Supposedly, AAI2 is better than the first, but I guess we'll never know until a fan translation is done.

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Another thing AAI has going for it is Lang and his "NOT SO FAST!" voice clip, and he's only in 2 of the 5 cases (technically 3, but yeah, not counting E-4). I guess Kay was all right, too. I still prefer AJ though. At least in AJ you sort of retain that "role-playing" feel, even if you're constantly being overshadowed by Phoenix. In AAI I sort of just felt like I was watching Edgeworth solve everything - in that regard, I think the game was hurt by Edgeworth being too smart a protagonist. Some people really latch on to Edgey, but I've always preferred him as an antagonist or rival. I don't really enjoy playing as him (although it was pretty cool in 3-5).

Both AJ and AAI have bad pacing during investigations, so I guess another reason I prefer AJ is due in large part to music. The general "walking around" music in AAI was really quite bad at times. If I'm playing a boring game, hopefully it at least has some decent tunes.

Oh, and they really need to bring Pearl back for an appearance in the next Apollo Justice game

I bet she's hot now

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Yeah, I can understand that feeling about Edgeworth. He's pretty much the same way in 3-5 when you play as him, too. Still fun though.

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Also, I feel like AJ and AAI went in completely opposite directions in regard to past characters. AJ was basically "Let's cut ties with everyone except that one character we threw in for 1-5 because that's the only case we like to acknowledge anymore" while AAI was "Let's fit in as many cameos as we can, especially Wendy Oldbag"

Hrm

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Yeah. I always thought that AJ was planned as a reboot of the series and wasn't supposed to feature Phoenix or any of the old characters at all, except for Ema presumably, since she was introduced in 1-5. Capcom mandated Phoenix's inclusion and so Takumi had to write him in. Just another line in Capcom's book of colossal errors in judgment.

AAI was Capcom over-reacting to fan negativity and throwing every cameo in the book at the player ad nauseum. As a fan of Larry, I was okay with most of it, but yeah, it was overkill, especially in E-5.

Larry's cameo was pretty great, yeah.

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I actually enjoyed Apollo Justice quite a bit. I just had a huge issue with how nothing much, if anything, was said about a lot of the other main characters of the series. We also didn't really get much insight on what happened to Phoenix to turn him into Hobo Wright besides that one case. Like how it affected his relationship with Maya and all that.

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From: LeonhartFour | #001
And probably the most disappointing thing about this game is that there are flashes where it's pretty good, but that's all they are. Just flashes.

Phew.

I was worried you were going to be like "It's not nearly as bad as I remember it being!"

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AJ > AAI, what. AAI is really good. Yeah, it's really easy, but I guess it makes sense. Edgeworth is pretty much way better than Phoenix and Apollo as lawyers. But AAI has better moments, was more "Ace Attorney"-like, didn't have horrible writing, and was good all around. It just wasn't as up to top as the PW trilogy, which is mainly because of no trial scenes and generally the change in gameplay.

Also, I genuinely like all 4 AJ cases. I just cannot stand 4-0, absolutely horrible case.

4-1's pretty fun all around, great case.

4-2 is actually really good outside of panty shenanigans. Hell, I like Stickler, as long as we avoid anything regarding panties. Once you get past the Mr. Hat intervention in 4-2, it pretty much becomes a good case. Kitakis and Eldoon, too good.

4-3...yeah. Okay, 4-3 is really bad. BUT it has the sound board, which is probably the best piece of evidence in the entire series (either that or the cardboard badge or larry's amazing drawing). I also liked Daryan and some of the twists. Just that 4-3 was...pretty stupid and really repetitive.

4-4's first investigation and first trial is really, really strong, not including stupid Brushel perceiving. Then 4-0 happens and...that was painful. Really painful. There are only a few good parts in 4-0 and that's Klavier's amazing GNR + Led Zeppelin reference and Valant's breakdown. Everything else is....yeah. Mason System is actually surprisingly enjoyable, but plotholes, woo. And then second trial is pretty much plot plot plot and just kind of...yeah.

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AAI is great. Much better than AJ and JFA. (Still not up to AA or T&T, though.)

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Unpopular Ace Attorney opinion coming through:

PW3 > PW2 > PW1 > AAI > AJ

I could even do a case ranking if I have to. But I'm pretty dead set on this game ranking.

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I still think JFA gets too much crap.

2-3 is a pretty bad case, but that's just because of AJ-esque coincidences and leaps in logic and having completely unlikable characters except for one person.

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2-2 is also bad, and 2-1 is kinda bad even for an introduction case. If not for 2-4, JFA would be down there with AJ in "I don't acknowledge that game exists" land for me.

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