It does if it reveals that the core of the plot/stakes was a badly-written fairy tale!
it's like none of you have ever watched Newhart or anything
It's a creative choice. You're welcome to dislike it as much or as little as you want, but it doesn't render everything before it meaningless, useful, or bad.
If The Dark Knight rises comes out and is terrible, you're not going to say that it makes The Dark Knight and Batman Begins worse. How is this any different?
It does if it reveals that the core of the plot/stakes was a badly-written fairy tale!
it's like none of you have ever watched Newhart or anything
It's a creative choice. You're welcome to dislike it as much or as little as you want, but it doesn't render everything before it meaningless, useful, or bad.
If The Dark Knight rises comes out and is terrible, you're not going to say that it makes The Dark Knight and Batman Begins worse. How is this any different?
The movies aren't about the continuity and building up to the final payoff throughout all three movies - they're self-contained and in fact, you can watch both Begins and Dark Knight independently and not miss out on anything. The better comparison to Lost is, of course, Mass Effect 3, because they executed their final twists equally terribly.
still one of the best shows ever to grace network tv the fact that it's the best show to ever be on network (or pretty much anything non-HBO) is the problem. that's what makes the series finale so disappointing. it was cuse and lindelof basically admitting that they were making it all up as they went along without a concrete ending when they swore the whole time that they weren't. they also swore in season 1 that they weren't in purgatory.
From: TimJab | #057 they also swore in season 1 that they weren't in purgatory. because they weren't
are you for real, do you still not understand the season finale 2 years after. it has probably been explained to you dozens of times.
you can hate on it all you want (I didn't think it or season 6 in general was perfect either), but at least hate on it for the right reasons
I think he means the fact that that was the popular theory at the time which they vehemently denied using. Turning around and using it later on, albeit in a different venue, is kind of a cop-out, and doesn't inspire confidence that that wasn't the original intent with the island as people were guessing in the first place.
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The worst Lost haters are the ones you talk to in real life who say "they were dead the whole time" and won't listen when you try to explain it. Augh.
At least people on this site know what they're talking about, even if they are overly cynical.
I thought Across the Sea was a massive disappointment so I wasn't expecting anything from the remainder of the series. I ended up enjoying the end, and I'll sometimes go to youtube to watch those last few minutes. Amazing stuff.
Favorite season 6 episode was Happily Ever After. I just loved the whole feel of it.
are you for real, do you still not understand the season finale 2 years after. it has probably been explained to you dozens of times. uh you must be confusing me for somebody else
i'm not saying they were dead the whole time (even though i think they were originally planned to be during season 1)
what i'm saying is, everybody figured out that they were in purgatory, cuse and lindelof said "lol no" and scrambled to show that they were alive the whole time, and then when everybody least expected it they made purgatory the big twist again
From: kevwaffles | #060 I think he means the fact that that was the popular theory at the time which they vehemently denied using. Turning around and using it later on, albeit in a different venue, is kind of a cop-out, and doesn't inspire confidence that that wasn't the original intent with the island as people were guessing in the first place. yeah this is what i meant
i should add that i don't blame cuse and lindelof really, it was their right to make their show however they wanted
you gotta remember that you never know when a show is gonna be a hit, lost could have lasted one episode so it's extremely difficult to plan long term
the purgatory idea (if it's what they planned from the beginning, which i think they did) was a good one, but unfortunately for them their fanbase was a little too smart for their own good and figured it out. what they should have done was just ignored it and kept going and not gone through all the trouble of denying it on the show and IRL.
and for the record, i really liked season 6. i only disliked the finale.
I think something that really contributes to the misconception that they really were dead the whole time is that credits scene where they just showed the crash wreckage with nobody around. IIRC that was not intended to be part of the episode and ABC just added it on their own
I think the biggest problem with the series is that the narrative climax is basically the season 5 finale. They really struggled to come away from that episode with anything that could compete with that emotional punch. The priority should have been two-fold - answering most mysteries and building up a compelling reason to care about what happens to the people on the island. I think the flash-sideways was neat but also short-circuited any real reason to care about the island stuff.
And by failing to really tie the island's outcome to the characters in a meaningful way, they trivialize the island's fate. And doing so weakens the flash-epilogue stuff.
I just don't think they had a great plan for making the 6th season island stuff truly amazing, or stuff we'd care about on it's own. They kind plodded around with some new mysteries but it seemed like they had the flash-epilogue in mind the entire time as being the thing we'd remember and care about and love. whoops.
I did like the series. I tend to pretend that the people were rewarded for exhibiting the best parts of themselves in order to save the island, instead of being rewarded for being characters on a popular show. And that saving the island was a big deal worth caring about.
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Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards.
They kind plodded around with some new mysteries but it seemed like they had the flash-epilogue in mind the entire time as being the thing we'd remember and care about and love. whoops.
Yeah my main problem with season 6 was that it seemed like they had an end goal in mind, and just phoned it in the rest of the way. There weren't a whole lot of surprises and they could have made it shorter.