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Blue_Inigo
05/16/17 12:04:17 AM
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How the fuck do you go from Sahelanthropus to whatever the fuck that thing in MGS1 was? At least the Shagohod was actually inferior
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DarthAragorn
05/16/17 12:04:57 AM
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Because Kojima didn't give a shit about logic

But RAY was best metal gear
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boxington
05/16/17 12:07:16 AM
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The Patriots/Cipher controlled the release of technology, IIRC.
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Cookie Bag
05/16/17 12:08:01 AM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Because Kojima didn't give a shit about logic

But RAY was best metal gear

RAY, the anti-metal gear gear got its shit stomped by a REX...

Kojima really gave 0 shits.
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boxington
05/16/17 12:11:46 AM
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I think it's because either the Ray LO was using was one of the mass produced ones, or that because Rays could be mass produced, and that's why they could take out other metal gears
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Darmik
05/16/17 12:17:18 AM
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MGSV tech was better than the tech in MGS1 at times lol
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YellowSUV
05/16/17 1:13:14 AM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Because Kojima didn't give a shit about logic

But RAY was best metal gear


It got wrecked by a WWII era battleship. Then again, its purpose was to stop Metal Gear REX.
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Rika_Furude
05/16/17 1:15:47 AM
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Ray looks shinier than rex but is it actually stronger? Rex was its own weapon, its own development thing, ray might be newser but it was made for mass development. Quality vs quantity
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thompsontalker7
05/16/17 1:17:25 AM
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So dumb how nerfed Ray was since it's inception

Remember that ordinary Raiden could potentially defeat up to 20 of them single handedly
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Cookie Bag
05/16/17 1:23:57 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Ray looks shinier than rex but is it actually stronger? Rex was its own weapon, its own development thing, ray might be newser but it was made for mass development. Quality vs quantity

AFAIK it was supposed to be an anti-REX gear, but Kojima gotta Kojima and give us that one fight in MGS4
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thompsontalker7
05/16/17 1:27:10 AM
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Cookie Bag posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Ray looks shinier than rex but is it actually stronger? Rex was its own weapon, its own development thing, ray might be newser but it was made for mass development. Quality vs quantity

AFAIK it was supposed to be an anti-REX gear, but Kojima gotta Kojima and give us that one fight in MGS4


To be fair that fight was uber hype
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Gravityfare
05/16/17 1:28:31 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
How the fuck do you go from Sahelanthropus to whatever the fuck that thing in MGS1 was? At least the Shagohod was actually inferior

Metal Gear Rex? That was the most powerful one of them all...
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Cookie Bag
05/16/17 2:12:38 AM
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thompsontalker7 posted...
Cookie Bag posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Ray looks shinier than rex but is it actually stronger? Rex was its own weapon, its own development thing, ray might be newser but it was made for mass development. Quality vs quantity

AFAIK it was supposed to be an anti-REX gear, but Kojima gotta Kojima and give us that one fight in MGS4


To be fair that fight was uber hype

Yeah it was, it really was.
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Go_Totodile
05/16/17 2:17:56 AM
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Cause the latest game in the series has to have a crazier Metal Gear than the last.

And since series release doesn't go in chronological order this is what you get.
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weeb98
05/16/17 2:24:38 AM
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Who really gives a shit? These scary big ass robots only need a few rockets to go down.
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pegusus123456
05/16/17 2:26:40 AM
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I looked at some wiki stuff.

The design for the mass-produced RAYS that were built to guard Arsenal Gear differed from the original Marines' RAY that was built to hunt down REX derivatives (most notably, they don't have a tail). Given the different roles they were meant to play, I'd say it's entirely reasonable that the mass-produced version would have more trouble with a REX. Apparently, the novelization of MGS4 (which, btw, wat) heavily implies that Ocelot's RAY was a modified Arsenal Gear/Outer Heaven one which would help explain why it was defeated by REX.

It's also worth pointing out that RAY was designed to hunt down Metal Gear derivatives, presumably made mostly by crackpot terrorist cells and dictators who'd cobble together what they could. I also don't think it was ever tested out against them, so it's possible it would have just failed terribly. And, of course, you can't forget pilot skill.

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Smashingpmkns
05/16/17 2:28:17 AM
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Did you guys pay any attention in V? Sahelanthropus was not a functional Metal Gear and the only reason why it worked was because of Psycho Mantis. It was inferior to REX.
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Smallville
05/16/17 2:33:30 AM
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Go_Totodile posted...
Cause the latest game in the series has to have a crazier Metal Gear than the last.

And since series release doesn't go in chronological order this is what you get.

great post, this makes sense.
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Mormaurd
05/16/17 2:34:08 AM
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Wasn't Sahelanthropus designed specifically to be a scare tactic to trick people into buying metallic archaea nukes? Not really meant for combat.
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Cookie Bag
05/16/17 2:35:35 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Did you guys pay any attention in V? Sahelanthropus was not a functional Metal Gear and the only reason why it worked was because of Psycho Mantis. It was inferior to REX.

It sure looked WAY fucking cooler than REX though.
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Go_Totodile
05/16/17 11:56:01 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Did you guys pay any attention in V? Sahelanthropus was not a functional Metal Gear and the only reason why it worked was because of Psycho Mantis. It was inferior to REX.

Not really no.
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darkphoenix181
05/16/17 11:57:39 AM
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didn't RAY fly?

of course it will have lighter armor since it can fly
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megamanzero1000
05/16/17 12:05:42 PM
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Guys seriously I don't understand how you can be so dumb. That's simply what happens when you make prequels.

Why is techonology more advanced in prometheus than in alien even though prometheus is a prequel?
Why is technology more advanced in blade runner 2049 than in blade runner?
Why were lightsaber fights more flashy in episode 1/2/3 then in 4/5/6?
Why was the world more scifi in 1/2/3 then in 4/5/6?

Do I really have to spell it out?

Why do some people insist on finding a logical explanation?
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darkphoenix181
05/16/17 12:09:29 PM
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megamanzero1000 posted...
Why is technology more advanced in blade runner 2049 than in blade runner?


what?

the new movie has an old harrison ford
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Smashingpmkns
05/16/17 12:09:43 PM
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megamanzero1000 posted...
Guys seriously I don't understand how you can be so dumb. That's simply what happens when you make prequels.

Why is techonology more advanced in prometheus than in alien even though prometheus is a prequel?
Why is technology more advanced in blade runner 2049 than in blade runner?
Why were lightsaber fights more flashy in episode 1/2/3 then in 4/5/6?
Why was the world more scifi in 1/2/3 then in 4/5/6?

Do I really have to spell it out?

Why do some people insist on finding a logical explanation?


There is a logical explanation for MGSV though, surprisingly.
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DevsBro
05/16/17 12:09:59 PM
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Rex was technically designed in the 60's, actually, so that might be one reason.

The one Liquid emerged with on Shadow Moses, though there's no official statement about, should be assumed to be the original Ray. It differs from the mass produced ones inside Arsenal in that it is manually piloted (even the ones in Rising are AI), has a tail and has different headlights (or eyes). Though they might eventually later say it wasn't the original if they ever make more sequels, as it is, there's no reason to believe so.

As for Rex vs Ray, probably Ray. Ray was designed as a Rex killer, afterall. Though this doesn't mean Ray would fare better than Rex against any other given opponent.

No, Ray doesn't fly. Jumps very well, but doesn't fly.
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DevsBro
05/16/17 12:13:30 PM
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Also Rex was also intended for mass production. The plan just didn't advance that far. Though in a way it kinda did, given the events between 1 and 2.
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megamanzero1000
05/16/17 12:27:11 PM
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so youdarkphoenix181 posted...
megamanzero1000 posted...
Why is technology more advanced in blade runner 2049 than in blade runner?


what?

the new movie has an old harrison ford


wow sometimes I lose hope for humanity.
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pegusus123456
05/16/17 5:02:24 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
didn't RAY fly?

of course it will have lighter armor since it can fly

Not fly. Jump good. I think.

DevsBro posted...

The one Liquid emerged with on Shadow Moses, though there's no official statement about, should be assumed to be the original Ray. It differs from the mass produced ones inside Arsenal in that it is manually piloted (even the ones in Rising are AI), has a tail and has different headlights (or eyes). Though they might eventually later say it wasn't the original if they ever make more sequels, as it is, there's no reason to believe so.

Like I said, there is a novelization of MGS4 which implies it's just an Arsenal Gear one that Ocelot modified.
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Irony
05/16/17 5:04:06 PM
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Prototypes are better than mass produced
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matrix007
05/16/17 5:16:29 PM
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megamanzero1000 posted...
so youdarkphoenix181 posted...
megamanzero1000 posted...
Why is technology more advanced in blade runner 2049 than in blade runner?


what?

the new movie has an old harrison ford


wow sometimes I lose hope for humanity.


I don't understand this post
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DarthAragorn
05/16/17 6:41:56 PM
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matrix007 posted...
megamanzero1000 posted...
so youdarkphoenix181 posted...
megamanzero1000 posted...
Why is technology more advanced in blade runner 2049 than in blade runner?


what?

the new movie has an old harrison ford


wow sometimes I lose hope for humanity.


I don't understand this post

he was either making a really dumb joke or he doesn't realize that it's a sequel
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Gravityfare
05/16/17 8:37:36 PM
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Gravityfare posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
How the fuck do you go from Sahelanthropus to whatever the fuck that thing in MGS1 was? At least the Shagohod was actually inferior

Metal Gear Rex? That was the most powerful one of them all...

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Blue_Inigo
05/16/17 8:52:39 PM
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Gravityfare posted...
Gravityfare posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
How the fuck do you go from Sahelanthropus to whatever the fuck that thing in MGS1 was? At least the Shagohod was actually inferior

Metal Gear Rex? That was the most powerful one of them all...

Sahelanthropus would fuck it up
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Banjo2553
05/16/17 8:53:48 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Gravityfare posted...
Gravityfare posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
How the fuck do you go from Sahelanthropus to whatever the fuck that thing in MGS1 was? At least the Shagohod was actually inferior

Metal Gear Rex? That was the most powerful one of them all...

Sahelanthropus would fuck it up

Only if Psycho Mantis was around.
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DevsBro
05/16/17 9:05:16 PM
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Like I said, there is a novelization of MGS4 which implies it's just an Arsenal Gear one that Ocelot modified.

That's hilariously dumb for so many reasons but I suppose canon is canon.

I dunno how Ocelot was supposed to engineer a tail for the thing or where he would get the resources to build it, never mind why, or why he bothered to change the eye(s) and add a cockpit apparently just so that he could trick Snake into thinking he was fighting a stronger machine when he presumably could have just gone and gotten said stronger machine out of his garage. I also find it amusing that Rex's weapons deal less damage to this Arsenal Ray than Raiden's grenade launcher did to the same model, and that the fight was presented as if it isn't anticlimactic after Raiden defeated 20 or so of these things (depending on your difficulty level) on foot in 2 and yet here we are fighting one in a giant death machine.

Sounds to me like the writer of your novelization wanted a feasible reason Rex could beat Ray, which is a Rex killer and decided opening all those cans of worms was better than just saying Snake had good willpower or something.

But like I said, I suppose canon is canon.
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Zombified_Toast
05/16/17 9:20:18 PM
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http://www.awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=050817
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Blue_Inigo
05/16/17 9:22:25 PM
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Zombified_Toast posted...
http://www.awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=050817

This inspired me to make the topic tbh
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