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I'm only up to chapter 14 so without spoiling the end can someone confirm whether this was the game I was thinking of?

Spoilers for either Spec Ops or some random game I'm confusing it with

I remember reading a story on Wiki where the ending was that the whole thing was a war criminal reliving his crimes over and over again as some kind of sci-fi punishment. The reason I thought that this may be the game is because Walker says "this again?" when you redo the helicopter scene. I also heard someone say "Spec Ops' story may as well be MGS2"

So without spoiling it, can you guys just answer yes or no? And if no, what story am I thinking of?
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No.
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no
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No you are thinking of something else. I don't know what however.
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That's one interpretation one of the developers said the game had, but it wasn't the only one

But as far as being a sci-fi punishment, no
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There is a possible interpretation that the whole game is a ptsd hallucination of Walker but it's a stupid fan theory and it makes the whole story stupid if you believe it.
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Ah ok. Is the ending good? I started to get real tired of the game half way through but there is something about it that's just quality.
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Virus731 posted...

Ah ok. Is the ending good? I started to get real tired of the game half way through but there is something about it that's just quality.

Maybe?

Good or bad is a pretty subjective term. I like the game.
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It's not sci-fi at all

It is definitely not a standard ending though
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I personally liked all the possible endings since they're all open to interpretation and more or less let you make your own conclusions as to how you want to end the story and what fate you think Walker deserves
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The Deadpool posted...

Virus731 posted...

Ah ok. Is the ending good? I started to get real tired of the game half way through but there is something about it that's just quality.

Maybe?

Good or bad is a pretty subjective term. I like the game.

Ah I meant more does the ending have a lot of impact. Yeah the gameplay is incredibly samesy but I've enjoyed it. Reminds me of Arkham City in the sense that I feel like I've been through something by the end.
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chill02 posted...

I personally liked all the possible endings since they're all open to interpretation and more or less let you make your own conclusions as to how you want to end the story and what fate you think Walker deserves

IIRC there is a canon ending Walker shoots himself in the head in Konrad's room
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ChromaticAngel posted...

chill02 posted...

I personally liked all the possible endings since they're all open to interpretation and more or less let you make your own conclusions as to how you want to end the story and what fate you think Walker deserves

IIRC there is a canon ending Walker shoots himself in the head in Konrad's room

That one definitely felt thematically like the best ending to me.
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Virus731 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Virus731 posted...

Ah ok. Is the ending good? I started to get real tired of the game half way through but there is something about it that's just quality.

Maybe?

Good or bad is a pretty subjective term. I like the game.

Ah I meant more does the ending have a lot of impact. Yeah the gameplay is incredibly samesy but I've enjoyed it. Reminds me of Arkham City in the sense that I feel like I've been through something by the end.

Then yes. It does.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

chill02 posted...

I personally liked all the possible endings since they're all open to interpretation and more or less let you make your own conclusions as to how you want to end the story and what fate you think Walker deserves

IIRC there is a canon ending Walker shoots himself in the head in Konrad's room

I personally let him get turned in if I was in a good mood, or just shoot the rescue team and embrace the monster I've become if not
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Just finished it
Got the ending where Walker gets to go home? I dunno... after all he has done though I think the shooting himself would of been the way I would have handled it.

High impact... good is another story... I don't know how I feel.
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Virus731 posted...

Just finished it
Got the ending where Walker gets to go home? I dunno... after all he has done though I think the shooting himself would of been the way I would have handled it.

High impact... good is another story... I don't know how I feel.

You kinda missed the proper suicide option, but if you want something similar, you could just start firing your gun during the scene where the rescue team shows up and let them gun Walker down
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There's a lot of dumb theories about this game, my least favorite being that you're dead and in hell

There's also this idea that when the game fades to black, it's truth, but when it fades to white, some sort of 'lie' or distortion of the facts happens. Going home/getting into the car is the only ending that fades to white.
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Holy fuck I didn't know there was an epilogue...

Hearing Walker say Gentleman, welcome to Dubai sent chills down my spine like holy jesus

Went from an 7 ending to a 9 just like that
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:^)

Also, as I said you get another ending if you either fail at killing the rescue squad or if you just fire in the air and let them gun you down
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That epilogue ending was just fucking savage... it almost hurt to do but I liked the idea of Walker becoming desert KING
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doyoufeellikeaheroyet
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He turned us into fucking killers!
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chill02 posted...

:^)

Also, as I said you get another ending if you either fail at killing the rescue squad or if you just fire in the air and let them gun you down

On this note, my first reaction to the crowd lynching your squadmate was to shoot into the air, and I was floored when the game reacted properly to that.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

chill02 posted...

:^)

Also, as I said you get another ending if you either fail at killing the rescue squad or if you just fire in the air and let them gun you down

On this note, my first reaction to the crowd lynching your squadmate was to shoot into the air, and I was floored when the game reacted properly to that.

same >.>
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

chill02 posted...

:^)

Also, as I said you get another ending if you either fail at killing the rescue squad or if you just fire in the air and let them gun you down

On this note, my first reaction to the crowd lynching your squadmate was to shoot into the air, and I was floored when the game reacted properly to that.

that totally was not my reaction and CE chastised me when i did that lol
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it's not a war crime if no one saw it happen
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I just hit one of them with my gun and the crowd dispersed.
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You didn't murder all those civilians? Cowards
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

chill02 posted...

:^)

Also, as I said you get another ending if you either fail at killing the rescue squad or if you just fire in the air and let them gun you down

On this note, my first reaction to the crowd lynching your squadmate was to shoot into the air, and I was floored when the game reacted properly to that.

More games should handle moral situations like this. Stuff decided in a panicked split second that can easily lead to a bad outcome. Not something decided in a menu.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

chill02 posted...

:^)

Also, as I said you get another ending if you either fail at killing the rescue squad or if you just fire in the air and let them gun you down

On this note, my first reaction to the crowd lynching your squadmate was to shoot into the air, and I was floored when the game reacted properly to that.

The first time, I shot at the floor. I later found out a lot of people never even considered that >_>
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SGT_Conti posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

chill02 posted...

:^)

Also, as I said you get another ending if you either fail at killing the rescue squad or if you just fire in the air and let them gun you down

On this note, my first reaction to the crowd lynching your squadmate was to shoot into the air, and I was floored when the game reacted properly to that.

The first time, I shot at the floor. I later found out a lot of people never even considered that >_>

The best thing about Spec Ops The Line is how it uses all of the conditioning FPS games have given players over the years against them. In no other game is shooting around enemies a solution. This game will give you standard military FPS game objectives and then basically ask you right afterwards "Uhh isn't this pretty fucked up?"
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Darmik posted...

In no other game is shooting around enemies a solution.

wat
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

In no other game is shooting around enemies a solution.

wat

In a sequence like that in any other game you generally have to shoot them. In this game you can scare off the unarmed rioters by shooting in the air. A lot of players don't consider this and shoot them to remove the threat.
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Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

In no other game is shooting around enemies a solution.

wat

In a sequence like that in any other game you generally have to shoot them. In this game you can scare off the unarmed rioters by shooting in the air. A lot of players don't consider this and shoot them to remove the threat.

no i know I shot them to avenge lugo but i was saying that there are other games where you can shoot next to someone in order to achieve something
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

In no other game is shooting around enemies a solution.

wat

In a sequence like that in any other game you generally have to shoot them. In this game you can scare off the unarmed rioters by shooting in the air. A lot of players don't consider this and shoot them to remove the threat.

no i know I shot them to avenge lugo but i was saying that there are other games where you can shoot next to someone in order to achieve something

very few
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

In no other game is shooting around enemies a solution.

wat

In a sequence like that in any other game you generally have to shoot them. In this game you can scare off the unarmed rioters by shooting in the air. A lot of players don't consider this and shoot them to remove the threat.

no i know I shot them to avenge lugo but i was saying that there are other games where you can shoot next to someone in order to achieve something

I can't think of any but I've never played every game obviously. Generally for non-lethal solutions you need to stealth or knock em out in my experience which is still pretty gamey.

That solution just felt a bit out of the box when it comes to a game.
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DarthAragorn posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Darmik posted...

In no other game is shooting around enemies a solution.

wat

In a sequence like that in any other game you generally have to shoot them. In this game you can scare off the unarmed rioters by shooting in the air. A lot of players don't consider this and shoot them to remove the threat.

no i know I shot them to avenge lugo but i was saying that there are other games where you can shoot next to someone in order to achieve something

very few

yeah i was thinking of like metal gear
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the crowd scenario is one of the more fascinating bits of perspective i've ever seen in a game

looking at it objectively in this moment you are essentially playing as the bad guys, the citizens are fully justified in their hatred towards you. you have killed numerous civilians and soldiers whose jobs were protecting them, helped doom them all by contaminating their water and in general made their lives a hell

yet the sight of lugo being lynched is still haunting and infuriating for most even after knowing the full scope of things, most likely because he was the one most critical of walker and his actions, but still
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Damn, i've haven't played ps3 in 4 years on since ps+ free.

It is possible avoided civilians without using computer on rundown city to white phosphorus?
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Richbark1 posted...

Damn, i've haven't played ps3 in 4 years on since ps+ free.

It is possible avoided civilians without using computer on rundown city to white phosphorus?

No you are forced to use the white phosphorus. The developers commented on it. They said something like "you might say that's not fair. I'd say you're right." and they left it at that.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Richbark1 posted...

Damn, i've haven't played ps3 in 4 years on since ps+ free.

It is possible avoided civilians without using computer on rundown city to white phosphorus?

No you are forced to use the white phosphorus. The developers commented on it. They said something like "you might say that's not fair. I'd say you're right." and they left it at that.

Well that's a bit of a cop-out.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Richbark1 posted...

Damn, i've haven't played ps3 in 4 years on since ps+ free.

It is possible avoided civilians without using computer on rundown city to white phosphorus?

No you are forced to use the white phosphorus. The developers commented on it. They said something like "you might say that's not fair. I'd say you're right." and they left it at that.

Well that's a bit of a cop-out.

I didn't mind that so much. But I always felt the game commentary would have been a lot more poignant if the game had a "good" ending.

The first walk is long and boring and devoid of anything interesting. Make it longer even. And give the player the option to, after encountering the first hostile, to just turn around and walk all the way back to the beginning and leave (your actual orders).

No player would have taken it their first playthrough. And that way, when the game accuses you of "choosing this" they'd be completely accurate.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Richbark1 posted...

Damn, i've haven't played ps3 in 4 years on since ps+ free.

It is possible avoided civilians without using computer on rundown city to white phosphorus?

No you are forced to use the white phosphorus. The developers commented on it. They said something like "you might say that's not fair. I'd say you're right." and they left it at that.

Well that's a bit of a cop-out.

Not in context. Basically, the game plays with the idea of choice while reinforcing at times that there will be times when you won't actually have a choice. You're not given a choice not to trust the CIA agent, for example. And a lot of people were quick to point out "Well if I did X at part Y and did W at part Z instead of what the game forced us to do, things would have been okay." And the response is "If you don't want to commit atrocities, just stop playing the game. You're trying to be a hero, and you're not one."
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ChromaticAngel posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Richbark1 posted...

Damn, i've haven't played ps3 in 4 years on since ps+ free.

It is possible avoided civilians without using computer on rundown city to white phosphorus?

No you are forced to use the white phosphorus. The developers commented on it. They said something like "you might say that's not fair. I'd say you're right." and they left it at that.

Well that's a bit of a cop-out.

Not in context. Basically, the game plays with the idea of choice while reinforcing at times that there will be times when you won't actually have a choice. You're not given a choice not to trust the CIA agent, for example. And a lot of people were quick to point out "Well if I did X at part Y and did W at part Z instead of what the game forced us to do, things would have been okay." And the response is "If you don't want to commit atrocities, just stop playing the game. You're trying to be a hero, and you're not one."