Current Events > So the upcoming Spider-Man game is basically just going to be an Arkham game...

(+) Yeah! (+)

...but with Spider-Man, right?

Looks breddy kewl.
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The Arkham of Us
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No it's a Spider-man game without Batman
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nope. Instead of the organic feel of Batman, it looks like you'll just push a button for a prompt and it triggers a web action of some kind.
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In the /v/ thread I saw their was a QTE cutscene someone made a webm of, and it was just awful
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ChromaticAngel posted...

nope. Instead of the organic feel of Batman, it looks like you'll just push a button for a prompt and it triggers a web action of some kind.

But that pretty much describes the Arkham series. >_>

I like the series but it's pretty automated, let's be real.
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Chozo_Gunner posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

nope. Instead of the organic feel of Batman, it looks like you'll just push a button for a prompt and it triggers a web action of some kind.

But that pretty much describes the Arkham series. >_>

I like the series but it's pretty automated, let's be real.

This looks super automated. Batman is more like Assassin's Creed. This game looks more like Ryse: Son of Rome.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

This looks super automated. Batman is more like Assassin's Creed. This game looks more like Ryse: Son of Rome.

Honestly from what I can tell, the combat looks like there's a bit more to it than the Arkham series, and you have more options at your disposal, like a launcher where you can go into any attack you want from there. I wouldn't be surprised if the game had better combat than the Arkham games.
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Chozo_Gunner posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

This looks super automated. Batman is more like Assassin's Creed. This game looks more like Ryse: Son of Rome.

Honestly from what I can tell, the combat looks like there's a bit more to it than the Arkham series, and you have more options at your disposal, like a launcher where you can go into any attack you want from there. I wouldn't be surprised if the game had better combat than the Arkham games.

The combat may or may not be better but I think people are going to be disappointed that they won't have the freedom with the web that they were probably expecting.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Chozo_Gunner posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

nope. Instead of the organic feel of Batman, it looks like you'll just push a button for a prompt and it triggers a web action of some kind.

But that pretty much describes the Arkham series. >_>

I like the series but it's pretty automated, let's be real.

This looks super automated. Batman is more like Assassin's Creed. This game looks more like Ryse: Son of Rome.

Batman combat was pretty much timing just your button presses correctly. That's why it overall looks impressive. Spider-man combat looks the same.

You're probably referring to the web swinging sequence but there's nothing like that in Batman.
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It's entirely possible that there's only a few segments of the game that are so heavily scripted, but the fact the demo was so heavily focused on an overly long QTE is worrying.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

The combat may or may not be better but I think people are going to be disappointed that they won't have the freedom with the web that they were probably expecting.

On the contrary, I think the devs are going to allow you a bit more freedom in how you can attack enemies, unlike in Batman: Arkham.

Plus there was an actual boss fight in the E3 demo. If the rest of the game doesn't skip out on the boss fights and if they're actually well-designed (or at least decently-designed, I guess), I'd honestly put it above the Arkham games.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

won't have the freedom with the web that they were probably expecting.

If this game isn't open world and let's me swing around at my own leisure and do the storyline whenever I want....then I won't be getting it.

The best thing about Spider-Man games are when they are open world and you can just swing around all day doing nothing. When they get that right....it's amazing.
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I think a lot of fear about the QTE's are a bit overblown. The web swinging was completely manual. During this sequence you are given button prompts to do something more stylish or to use a shortcut because you're chasing a helicopter. Stuff like this wouldn't happen when you're just swinging around the city.

It gets a bit more direct at the end and it looks more like a cutscene with QTE's but it's still stuff like mashing the triggers to match Spidey's web shooting. It doesn't look like it's random "press random button to avoid dying" like Spider-man 3.
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There's no way they're not adding free roam web slangin. These are the people that made sunset overdrive iirc, and that game's traversal was fucking amazing. I just think it will have qtes for the events like the crane thing because there's realistically no way to make that work smoothly and still look cool.

Have a little faith.

It will probably be similar to all the other spiderman games where you control the swing moreso than the direction your webs go. They probably just felt it unnecessary to show off a feature that's been in pretty much every Spider-Man game.
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Darmik posted...

I think a lot of fear about the QTE's are a bit overblown. The web swinging was completely manual. During this sequence you are given button prompts to do something more stylish or to use a shortcut because you're chasing a helicopter. Stuff like this wouldn't happen when you're just swinging around the city.

It gets a bit more direct at the end and it looks more like a cutscene with QTE's but it's still stuff like mashing the triggers to match Spidey's web shooting. It doesn't look like it's random "press random button to avoid dying" like Spider-man 3.

I do think it's kinda suspect that they did show one big cutscene with QTEs like that. Hell, I think it's suspect that they're in the game to that degree.

I wish devs would stop relying on them so much.
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Spiderman did Arkham gameplay before Arkham even did it. Play Spider Man 2.
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QTEs are fine when used in moderation. But that segment was definitely toeing that line at the very least.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

There's no way they're not adding free roam web slangin. These are the people that made sunset overdrive iirc, and that game's traversal was fucking amazing. I just think it will have qtes for the events like the crane thing because there's realistically no way to make that work smoothly and still look cool.

Have a little faith.

It will probably be similar to all the other spiderman games where you control the swing moreso than the direction your webs go. They probably just felt it unnecessary to show off a feature that's been in pretty much every Spider-Man game.

And infamous series
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Chozo_Gunner posted...

I do think it's kinda suspect that they did show one big cutscene with QTEs like that. Hell, I think it's suspect that they're in the game to that degree.

I wish devs would stop relying on them so much.

It's either a qte or a bunch of cutscenes. Video game engines simply aren't capable of pulling off crazy action scenes like that yet without being janky as fuck unless they're heavily scripted.
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Neversoft did it right
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If they're paced well it's okay. Like the end of a big boss arc or something. But if it's something that's in every single mission that's pretty lame.

I don't think it will be though. I don't think every mission will have that level of spectacle. Especially since Insomniac said that Peter Parker will play a big role in the game. I'm hoping the game knows how to pace well and really earn those moments.

Blue_Inigo posted...

Spiderman did Arkham gameplay before Arkham even did it. Play Spider Man 2.

I think the original PS1 Spidey game is more like Arkham. Absolutely crammed with fan service and secrets, blew people away despite low expectations etc.

Spider-man 2 did blow people away too but that was more due to the open world and really fun web swinging.
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pres_madagascar posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

There's no way they're not adding free roam web slangin. These are the people that made sunset overdrive iirc, and that game's traversal was fucking amazing. I just think it will have qtes for the events like the crane thing because there's realistically no way to make that work smoothly and still look cool.

Have a little faith.

It will probably be similar to all the other spiderman games where you control the swing moreso than the direction your webs go. They probably just felt it unnecessary to show off a feature that's been in pretty much every Spider-Man game.

And infamous series

Sucker Punch made Infamous not Insomniac.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

There's no way they're not adding free roam web slangin. These are the people that made sunset overdrive iirc, and that game's traversal was fucking amazing. I just think it will have qtes for the events like the crane thing because there's realistically no way to make that work smoothly and still look cool.

Have a little faith.

It will probably be similar to all the other spiderman games where you control the swing moreso than the direction your webs go. They probably just felt it unnecessary to show off a feature that's been in pretty much every Spider-Man game.

I agree with everything. Especially the bolded. The game looks like the Spidey game we deserve after all these years. I played 2, Ultimate and Web of Shadows a lot and fucking loved them. This feels in a similar, satisfying vein. I'm super excited for the game. Plus, based on the E3 stuff, we're probably gonna get Miles in some capacity. I hope they change his playstyle like Robin in the Arkham games. Either way, one of the few games I'm eagerly awaiting any info I can get. Game looks sick.
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Sunset Overdrive was really fun so I have full faith in Insomniac. Overall they know how to deliver and they'll know how much is riding on this game.
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