Poll of the Day > Mueller launches Grand Jury

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Because this thing keeps getting bumped, let me remind you what even the left-leaning Politifact had to say:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/10/does-muellers-grand-jury-mean-indictment-imminent/

Grand juries are supposed to operate in secrecy, but because they issue subpoenas and compel testimony, their work sometimes becomes public. Our best understanding of how Mueller has used grand juries is based primarily on anonymously sourced news reports.

While Mueller’s precise rationale for seeking more than one grand jury is not publicly known, legal experts told us it’s a fairly unsurprising move for a special prosecutor because it carries several advantages.

Grand juries typically divide their attention among multiple cases. So it’s possible Mueller believes he can operate more smoothly with a panel of jurors focused exclusively on what’s potentially a large volume of information.

"In special investigations, rather than ordinary criminal cases, it is not uncommon to impanel a special grand jury," said Joshua Dressler, a law professor at Ohio State University. "This way, the jurors will become increasingly knowledgeable about the matters at issue, and they can focus on just one matter."

There’s a number of other theories for Mueller’s move.

Some believe his grand jury was meant to make it easier to broaden the scope of his investigation beyond Flynn. Others say a Washington-based jury would be more sympathetic. Still others say Mueller simply wanted a grand jury closer to his team’s Washington office.

"Since the proceedings are secret, it is very hard to know which (if any) of these are correct," said Jed Shugerman, a professor at Fordham Law School.

Legal experts we spoke to fell into two camps on whether the existence of Mueller’s grand jury tells us anything about the likelihood of any future indictments.

Some experts think a grand jury by itself tells us nothing. Others said it increases the chances of indictments issuing at some future point, though none believed they were imminent.

Simmons said while a grand jury is a prerequisite for a future indictment, it’s also a required step in the early stages of an investigation.

Basically everything is as I said in the first place, despite fervent enthusiasts hoping otherwise. There's nothing particularly significant here nor has anything really changed. Nor will anything really change, even if no indictments are ever issued, because the same handful of marks will believe that Trump pledged loyalty to Putin in exchange for hacking the polling places -- as stated by SNL -- despite repeated assurances that polling was fine.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

He only needs a safe space.

Good thing he's republican.

Trumps Safe Spaces program. Sponsored by Lays Potato Chips.

so...salty?

Trump is extra salty, it preserves him, ok?
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ClarkDuke posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

He only needs a safe space.

Good thing he's republican.

Trumps Safe Spaces program. Sponsored by Lays Potato Chips.

so...salty?

Trump is extra salty, it preserves him, ok?

Hah! This actually made me laugh.
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SushiSquid posted...

PepsiWithCoke posted...

This is exactly what i thought was going to happen, This whole Trump thing was just a ploy by the GOP to get Pence or Ryan into office.

Ryan would be the one. Anything involving Trump's campaign would toss out Pence too.

At least Ryan is better than Pence....since Pence = Ryan + religious nutjobbery
Still, we don't want Paul Ryan as president. Democrats need to reach down deep, NOT BE STUPID, and drag this process out so there's no impeachment until 2019. And win a ton of fucking House races in the meantime.

Tropic_Sunset posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

He only needs a safe space.

Good thing he's republican.

Trumps Safe Spaces program. Sponsored by Lays Potato Chips.

so...salty?

Trump is extra salty, it preserves him, ok?

Hah! This actually made me laugh.

All in a days work.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
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ClarkDuke posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

He only needs a safe space.

Good thing he's republican.

Trumps Safe Spaces program. Sponsored by Lays Potato Chips.

so...salty?

Trump is extra salty, it preserves him, ok?

lol
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/26/politics/mueller-flynn-clinton-emails/index.html

Mueller looking into whether Flynn sought out Clinton emails from Russian hackers
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Emails everywhere!

WASHINGTON — A business associate of President Trump promised in 2015 to engineer a real estate deal with the aid of the president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, that he said would help Mr. Trump win the presidency.

The business associate, Felix Sater, wrote a series of emails to Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, in which he boasted about his ties to Mr. Putin and predicted that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would be a political boon to Mr. Trump’s candidacy.

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

The emails show that, from the earliest months of Mr. Trump’s campaign, some of his associates viewed close ties with Moscow as a political advantage. Those ties are now under investigation by the Justice Department and multiple congressional committees.

There is no evidence in the emails that Mr. Sater delivered on his promises. Mr. Sater, a Russian immigrant, was a broker for the Trump Organization at the time, which means he was paid to deliver real estate deals.

In another email, Mr. Sater envisioned a ribbon-cutting in Moscow. “I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” Mr. Sater wrote.

Mr. Cohen suggested that Mr. Sater’s comments were puffery. “He has sometimes used colorful language and has been prone to ‘salesmanship,’ ” Mr. Cohen said in a statement. “I ultimately determined that the proposal was not feasible and never agreed to make a trip to Russia.”

Mr. Sater presented himself as so influential in Russia that he helped arrange a 2006 trip that Mr. Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, took to Moscow. “I arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putins private chair at his desk and office in the Kremlin,” he said.

Ms. Trump said she had no involvement in the discussions about the Moscow deal. In a statement, she said she that during the 2006 trip, she took “a brief tour of Red Square and the Kremlin but I have never met President Vladimir Putin.” She did not say whether she sat in his chair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-tower-putin-felix-sater.html
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but heeeeeer emaaaaails
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Emails everywhere!

WASHINGTON — A business associate of President Trump promised in 2015 to engineer a real estate deal with the aid of the president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, that he said would help Mr. Trump win the presidency.

The business associate, Felix Sater, wrote a series of emails to Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, in which he boasted about his ties to Mr. Putin and predicted that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would be a political boon to Mr. Trump’s candidacy.

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

The emails show that, from the earliest months of Mr. Trump’s campaign, some of his associates viewed close ties with Moscow as a political advantage. Those ties are now under investigation by the Justice Department and multiple congressional committees.

There is no evidence in the emails that Mr. Sater delivered on his promises. Mr. Sater, a Russian immigrant, was a broker for the Trump Organization at the time, which means he was paid to deliver real estate deals.

In another email, Mr. Sater envisioned a ribbon-cutting in Moscow. “I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” Mr. Sater wrote.

Mr. Cohen suggested that Mr. Sater’s comments were puffery. “He has sometimes used colorful language and has been prone to ‘salesmanship,’ ” Mr. Cohen said in a statement. “I ultimately determined that the proposal was not feasible and never agreed to make a trip to Russia.”

Mr. Sater presented himself as so influential in Russia that he helped arrange a 2006 trip that Mr. Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, took to Moscow. “I arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putins private chair at his desk and office in the Kremlin,” he said.

Ms. Trump said she had no involvement in the discussions about the Moscow deal. In a statement, she said she that during the 2006 trip, she took “a brief tour of Red Square and the Kremlin but I have never met President Vladimir Putin.” She did not say whether she sat in his chair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-tower-putin-felix-sater.html

Oh shit..
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Jen0125 posted...

but heeeeeer emaaaaails

... That we illegally obtained

Shit don't tell anyone
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Jen0125 posted...

but heeeeeer emaaaaails

Prolly mostly pant suit warehouse spam.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Jen0125 posted...

but heeeeeer emaaaaails

... That we illegally obtained

Shit don't tell anyone

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Jen0125 posted...

but heeeeeer emaaaaails

Prolly mostly pant suit warehouse spam.

Wait, are there email leaks from her that go beyond what was revealed in the investigation last year, or whenever? I stopped following this particular thread because I thought it was resolved.
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Jen0125 posted...

but heeeeeer emaaaaails

... That we illegally obtained

Shit don't tell anyone

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Jen0125 posted...

but heeeeeer emaaaaails

Prolly mostly pant suit warehouse spam.

Wait, are there email leaks from her that go beyond what was revealed in the investigation last year, or whenever? I stopped following this particular thread because I thought it was resolved.

It's going into how the emails were leaked, which is now looking like Trump campaign collusion with hackers
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Doctor Foxx posted...

It's going into how the emails were leaked, which is now looking like Trump campaign collusion with hackers

Ah. That could be rather damaging.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

In another email, Mr. Sater envisioned a ribbon-cutting in Moscow. “I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” Mr. Sater wrote.

Mr. Cohen suggested that Mr. Sater’s comments were puffery. “He has sometimes used colorful language and has been prone to ‘salesmanship,’ ” Mr. Cohen said in a statement. “I ultimately determined that the proposal was not feasible and never agreed to make a trip to Russia.”

Mr. Sater presented himself as so influential in Russia that he helped arrange a 2006 trip that Mr. Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, took to Moscow. “I arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putins private chair at his desk and office in the Kremlin,” he said.

Trump won't even discuss his ties to Sater either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N5Kun2sJPA

(and as a tiny bonus, you can see grey-haired Trump, which is completely counter to his claim that his current hair color is natural)
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's going into how the emails were leaked, which is now looking like Trump campaign collusion with hackers

Ah. That could be rather damaging.

He has to be paranoid that Putin is everywhere. :/
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Melon_Master posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's going into how the emails were leaked, which is now looking like Trump campaign collusion with hackers

Ah. That could be rather damaging.

He has to be paranoid that Putin is everywhere. :/

But if he were on Putin's side he'd want him to be everywhere. You're one of them, aren't you?
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's going into how the emails were leaked, which is now looking like Trump campaign collusion with hackers

Ah. That could be rather damaging.

He has to be paranoid that Putin is everywhere. :/

But if he were on Putin's side he'd want him to be everywhere. You're one of them, aren't you?

It's not so much that he's on Putin's side as it is that he's held to Putin's demands. At least potentially. He could very easily be compromised.
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's going into how the emails were leaked, which is now looking like Trump campaign collusion with hackers

Ah. That could be rather damaging.

He has to be paranoid that Putin is everywhere. :/

But if he were on Putin's side he'd want him to be everywhere. You're one of them, aren't you?

By them, being a group that thinks Putin, is a dangerous James Bond villain? :O
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https://thesternfacts.com/exclusive-emails-say-whole-trump-family-participated-in-soho-hotel-criminal-enterprise-d703277dfa71

These leaked emails are the first evidence that proves that Donald Trump and his family personally knew of Felix Sater’s felony crime and participated in a meeting about covering it up.

Donald Trump hawked the Trump SoHo Condo Hotel extensively on NBC’s The Apprentice, but committed a bank fraud to keep the project afloat the following year, and dragged his family into it.
The newly leaked emails from the Sapir Organization’s attorney document a “time sensitive and should not be pushed back” meeting the Trumps demanded on January 21st, 2008.

The meeting happened soon after the New York Times publicly revealed in mid-December 2007 that the Trump Organization’s investor and SoHo partner Bayrock Company’s manager-member Felix Sater had secretly entered financial felony plea deal in the late 1990s.

Donald Trump, his daughter Ivanka and sons Don Jr. and Eric collectively demanded and presumably attended the important meeting to chew out Bayrock about the project, and specifically Felix Sater about his felony past.

We know because Sater wrote Bayrock’s investors complaining that his own company wanted to fire him after meeting the Trumps.

Hiding a financial felon’s involvement is a form of criminal bank fraud. The Trump SoHo project ultimately failed and was foreclosed by lenders. Instead of informing banks and buyers about Sater’s criminal past, as was the Trump Organization’s obligation, the Trump family proceeded to keep the felony secret as Sater engaged in a scheme to hide his interests in the deal.

The information about Trump and Sater defrauding banks has come to light only because attorneys Fred Oberlander and Richard Lerner refused to back down. They filed and are litigating two of the civil cases against the Trump SoHo’s developers.

Federal judges and prosecutors threatened them with prosecution for revealing that Sater was given an illegally light sentence for his crime, in secret. The judges even issued an order that gagged them from telling Congress about the judges’ own misconduct, but the attorneys persisted and are pursuing a civil law claim against the developers of Trump SoHo.

The attorney Richard Lerner has since written an extensive, fact-checked article about the harmful effects of secret sentencing in Law360 based on his wild experiences in the Trump SoHo case with Sater, who became an FBI informant against his mafia partners in the scheme.

The Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act is America’s top anti-mafia federal law and the threshold for violating the law is merely participating in a business which engages in a pattern of illegal or fraudulent behavior.

New York state also has a RICO law, which is not subject to the powers of the Presidential pardon and could be enforced by New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, alongside any federal investigation.

“The statute of limitations on RICO acts lasts for ten years from the last known act,” for RICO based upon bank fraud, according to lawyer Joshua Gold, who is licensed to practice in New York since 1999. “These emails are less than ten years old.”

Even though Trump’s participation in the project dates back to far more than ten years ago—and was far more than just licensing the family’s brand name—only criminal acts like hiding his partner’s felony count, start the clock ticking on the ten years a prosecutor could call forth a criminal case on the matter.

Article much longer and contains e-mails

Related video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3B-tw2sB0
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Not a bad haul today.
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Melon_Master posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's going into how the emails were leaked, which is now looking like Trump campaign collusion with hackers

Ah. That could be rather damaging.

He has to be paranoid that Putin is everywhere. :/

But if he were on Putin's side he'd want him to be everywhere. You're one of them, aren't you?

By them, being a group that thinks Putin, is a dangerous James Bond villain? :O

Right.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

https://thesternfacts.com/exclusive-emails-say-whole-trump-family-participated-in-soho-hotel-criminal-enterprise-d703277dfa71

The rest

lol Trump..

Tropic_Sunset posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's going into how the emails were leaked, which is now looking like Trump campaign collusion with hackers

Ah. That could be rather damaging.

He has to be paranoid that Putin is everywhere. :/

But if he were on Putin's side he'd want him to be everywhere. You're one of them, aren't you?

By them, being a group that thinks Putin, is a dangerous James Bond villain? :O

Right.

Sorry.. I cannot discuss such matters, I'm at work. *shoots Tropic with a pistol disguised as a pen*
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Melon_Master posted...

Sorry.. I cannot discuss such matters, I'm at work. *shoots Tropic with a pistol disguised as a pen*

Ow. *dies*
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New York magazine had a great article/interview with Sater from the beginning of August.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/felix-sater-donald-trump-russia-investigation.html

Excerpt:

Cohen, one of Trump’s personal attorneys, had known Sater since they were teenagers. He met Artemenko and Sater at a hotel on Park Avenue, and they gave him a sealed envelope containing the plan. The New York Times reported that Cohen said he had hand-delivered the envelope to Flynn at the White House. (Cohen later denounced the Times story as “fake news.”) After it was exposed, the peace initiative was scuttled and Trump’s opponents seized on fresh evidence that — preposterous as it might seem — Sater still had enough pull with the president to dabble in diplomacy. “A Big Shoe Just Dropped,” wrote the liberal blogger Josh Marshall, who has continued to enthusiastically delve into Sater’s role in what he calls the “Trump-Russia money channel.”

Since then, shoe after shoe has clunked to the floor, in a cacophonous cascade of ever-more-damaging disclosures. “I know there is a huge movement to find the there there,” Sater said in June. “I got it. But unfortunately, I’m not going to be the one.” He said he would be happy to be summoned to speak to Mueller or congressional investigators. “God bless them if they do,” he said. “We could talk about bin Laden and Al Qaeda and cyber-crime convictions and operations of over fucking 12 years, no problem.”

He couldn’t resist telling me, though, that something big was brewing. “In about the next 30 to 35 days,” he told me, “I will be the most colorful character you have ever talked about. Unfortunately, I can’t talk about it now, before it happens. And believe me, it ain’t anything as small as whether or not they’re gonna call me to the Senate committee.”

This was before the news of Don Jr.’s fateful Trump Tower meeting came out. Still, it was already clear that Mueller was shifting his attention toward Trump’s family business, and many were wondering if Sater, who sang so beautifully for the FBI before, might have another big number to perform. Lately, something about Mueller’s investigation seems to have truly alarmed the president. Rattled by its focus on his finances, the president has sent signals that he might fire the special counsel and has openly discussed issuing preemptive pardons. The extremity of Trump’s reaction has only heightened suspicions he has something truly damning to hide. And if anyone outside the president’s immediate orbit knows what that is, one could imagine it would be Sater.

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Doctor Foxx posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Jen0125 posted...

but heeeeeer emaaaaails

... That we illegally obtained

Shit don't tell anyone

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Jen0125 posted...

but heeeeeer emaaaaails

Prolly mostly pant suit warehouse spam.

Wait, are there email leaks from her that go beyond what was revealed in the investigation last year, or whenever? I stopped following this particular thread because I thought it was resolved.

It's going into how the emails were leaked, which is now looking like Trump campaign collusion with hackers

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With everything going on with the North Korea posturing this stuff probably won't be the forefront of news, but more will come
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argonautweakend posted...

you know i want to feel bad for the "little guy" who got conned by a smooth??? talking nyc real estate tycoon but i cant.

i knew hed be terrible and unfit for office last year. never imagined this lev of shit though.

but yeah immigrants. the wall lmao. throw everything away for vague promises about both

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Doctor Foxx posted...

With everything going on with the North Korea posturing this stuff probably won't be the forefront of news, but more will come

Sure is convenient we might get a war when Trump's approval is in the shitter and we all know that wars increase approval by a shit load.

knivesX2004 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

With everything going on with the North Korea posturing this stuff probably won't be the forefront of news, but more will come

Sure is convenient we might get a war when Trump's approval is in the shitter and we all know that wars increase approval by a shit load.

It's a great way to increase approval rating.
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YahooPoster posted...

knivesX2004 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

With everything going on with the North Korea posturing this stuff probably won't be the forefront of news, but more will come

Sure is convenient we might get a war when Trump's approval is in the shitter and we all know that wars increase approval by a shit load.

It's a great way to increase approval rating.

Especially when that regime deserves to be removed.

Hydrogen Bombs are being tested in North Korea. I wouldn't worry about it.
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I honestly don't think China or Russia are willing to go to war. I think if America started it, they'd just get really mad but leave it at that. They can't afford it and China specifically will have to worry about the millions of refugees flooding across the border.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

I honestly don't think China or Russia are willing to go to war. I think if America started it, they'd just get really mad but leave it at that. They can't afford it and China specifically will have to worry about the millions of refugees flooding across the border.

Yup. China depends on us stupid Americans for revenue. NK's prolly gonna get sacrificed.
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/technology/facebook-russian-political-ads.html
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Keeps gettin better.
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http://www.newsweek.com/mueller-trump-russia-investigation-president-663534

Mueller is "Going in for the Kill"
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