Current Events > BREAKING NEWS: Democrats TRICK TRUMP into HUGE DEAL. GOPers are fucking PISSED..

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Barenziah Boy Toy
09/07/17 9:12:58 AM
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/6/16262732/trump-deal-congress-democrats

On Wednesday morning, President Donald Trump sat down with House and Senate leaders from both parties and struck a deal to tackle Congress’s month from hell. That deal ended up being just what Democrats wanted, and has reportedly left Republicans howling with protest. “I am told by multiple sources [that Republican leaders] are furious,” Politico’s Jake Sherman tweeted. “All GOP leaders were opposed.”

According to the deal, the top three items on Congress’s agenda — hurricane aid money, increasing the debt ceiling, and funding the government — will all be approved as part of a bipartisan agreement. That’s good for everyone, since these were all must-pass measures, and Congress’s failure to act on any of the three this month would have been disastrous.

But the reason Democrats are so happy lies in the details and, specifically, the calendar. That is: The debt ceiling increase and government funding money will only last three months, until mid-December. This is exactly what Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi wanted — in fact, they publicly proposed it before the meeting.

And it’s exactly what House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell feared, and are said to have argued against in the meeting with Trump. In fact, on Wednesday morning Ryan called the idea of a three-month debt limit increase “ridiculous,” “disgraceful,” and “unworkable” — just hours before Trump agreed to it.

Why Republicans in Congress so dislike this deal
The critical background here is that the Republican Party hates dealing with the debt ceiling. GOP leaders know that the debt ceiling must be increased, or else a US debt default with damaging economic consequences would ensue. But conservative activists have spent years agitating against a “clean” debt limit hike without accompanying spending cuts. And many Republican lawmakers who have portrayed themselves as tough on spending fear being criticized from the right for supporting such a measure.

Because the issue so divides the GOP, Republicans can’t come close to passing a debt ceiling increase with just their own party’s votes — they need a lot of Democrats, and that means they need to strike a deal with Democratic leaders.

All this ugliness is why Ryan and McConnell wanted a debt ceiling increase that would last through the 2018 elections. They wanted the debt ceiling issue off their plates so they could move on to other issues, like tax reform, which they hoped to pass by the end of the year. Instead, though, this deal all but ensures the December legislative calendar will be dominated by a painful showdown over the debt ceiling and government funding.

Then there’s the matter of Trump’s border wall money. For months, the president has been signaling that he’d demand money for his wall be included in any government funding bill. He’s even suggested he’d be happy to risk a government shutdown to get his wall money. But what Trump is clearly not willing to risk is a default on the nation’s debt — he doesn’t want to play that game of chicken.

In agreeing to this deal, Trump is putting aside his demand for border wall money for the time being, perhaps hoping to revisit the issue in December. The problem that the debt ceiling matter will be lurking unresolved too at that same time, ready for Democrats to bring up again as a part of another big deal. Basically, it won’t get any easier for Trump to get his wall money by December.

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The Admiral
09/07/17 9:13:25 AM
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Vox article.
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A_Good_Boy
09/07/17 9:15:24 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Vox article.

Therefore everything stated is incorrect.
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The Admiral
09/07/17 9:16:18 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
The Admiral posted...
Vox article.

Therefore everything stated is incorrect.


Just clickbaitish. Literally nothing in the article says that the Democrats "tricked" Trump either.
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09/07/17 9:16:33 AM
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A_Good_Boy
09/07/17 9:20:09 AM
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The Admiral posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
The Admiral posted...
Vox article.

Therefore everything stated is incorrect.


Just clickbaitish. Literally nothing in the article says that the Democrats "tricked" Trump either.

So the article is wrong cause the topic title was a tad bit misleading? I'm not really following your objection here.
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Antifar
09/07/17 9:20:49 AM
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Deals are his art form
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Fam_Fam
09/07/17 9:21:01 AM
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so what we are saying is that the dems and GOP came together and made a compromise that will do what it needs to do?

and that's a problem?
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pres_madagascar
09/07/17 9:21:11 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Vox article.

Vox isn't clickbait just because they lean hard left lmao. I don't even like them, but let's not be ridiculous. Borderline calling it fake news.
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Were_Wyrm
09/07/17 9:21:50 AM
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Trump reaching across the aisle and making the best deals! You can't stop this man from winning!
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The Admiral
09/07/17 9:22:50 AM
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pres_madagascar posted...
The Admiral posted...
Vox article.

Vox isn't clickbait just because they lean hard left lmao. I don't even like them, but let's not be ridiculous. Borderline calling it fake news.


Vox is absolutely clickbait. Whether it's fake news is a bit more of a debate.
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voldothegr8
09/07/17 9:22:50 AM
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Even though it's Vox, nowhere does it state he was tricked. TC making up clickbait titles per usual.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/07/17 9:22:59 AM
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Nancy Pelosi actually did something useful for once, lol
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Caution999
09/07/17 9:23:07 AM
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Even if this were true, which it's not, most Trump supporters aren't too high on the Republicans in Congress or the Senate right now. They don't want to fulfill the agenda that got him elected into office.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/07/17 9:26:34 AM
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Caution999 posted...
Even if this were true, which it's not, most Trump supporters aren't too high on the Republicans in Congress or the Senate right now. They don't want to fulfill the agenda that got him elected into office.

Taking a break from defending your hero Mark Dice
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TheBiggerWiggle
09/07/17 9:27:50 AM
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Damn, the Republicans got cucked by the man they refuse to impeach lmao
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A_Good_Boy
09/07/17 9:29:18 AM
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Caution999 posted...
Even if this were true, which it's not, most Trump supporters aren't too high on the Republicans in Congress or the Senate right now. They don't want to fulfill the agenda that got him elected into office.

Since when is it congress' responsibility to fulfill the presidents agenda? Running counter to it seemed perfectly OK for the previous 8 years.
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Caution999
09/07/17 9:30:39 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Caution999 posted...
Even if this were true, which it's not, most Trump supporters aren't too high on the Republicans in Congress or the Senate right now. They don't want to fulfill the agenda that got him elected into office.

Since when is it congress' responsibility to fulfill the presidents agenda? Running counter to it seemed perfectly OK for the previous 8 years.


When the President is on your side of the spectrum, you'd think they would try to pass some of the things he ran on. Maybe just a couple would be nice.

They won't be laughing when the people vote these suckers out.
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A_Good_Boy
09/07/17 9:32:20 AM
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Caution999 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Caution999 posted...
Even if this were true, which it's not, most Trump supporters aren't too high on the Republicans in Congress or the Senate right now. They don't want to fulfill the agenda that got him elected into office.

Since when is it congress' responsibility to fulfill the presidents agenda? Running counter to it seemed perfectly OK for the previous 8 years.


When the President is on your side of the spectrum, you'd think they would try to pass some of the things he ran on. Maybe just a couple would be nice.

They won't be laughing when the people vote these suckers out.

Do you think pushing the debt ceiling back 3 months instead of 18 will ultimately help or hinder fulfilling his agenda?
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darkjedilink
09/07/17 9:42:51 AM
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Did BBT get suspended again?
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OpheliaAdenade
09/07/17 9:47:33 AM
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That witch Nancy Pelosi must have cast a spell on him and lured him into her gingerbread house in the forest! There is no other explanation. :o
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fan357
09/07/17 9:48:32 AM
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Damn Democraps trying to help people >:(
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hollow_shrine
09/07/17 9:59:17 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
That witch Nancy Pelosi must have cast a spell on him and lured him into her gingerbread house in the forest! There is no other explanation. :o

#WhichPelosi? #WitchPelosi

What that #which_x/witch_x a real hashtag, because I'd not seen it until those excerpts from Hiliary's upcomming book started circulating the internet?
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The_Donald
09/07/17 10:01:00 AM
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Sounds like Trump made a deal. Good job Trump, bringing Dems and Conservatives together instead of dividing them like our previous president.
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AlternativeFAQS
09/07/17 10:01:05 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Vox article.


said the genius defending a fucking free beacon article
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DifferentialEquation
09/07/17 10:02:14 AM
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No one tricked Trump. This is why people voted for Trump. He's a great deal maker who can negotiate with anyone, even people who hate him.
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EmeralDragon23
09/07/17 10:03:07 AM
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Someone check that @glitteringfairy hasn't died of a heart attack reading the title.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
09/07/17 10:04:48 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
No one tricked Trump. This is why people voted for Trump. He's a great deal maker who can negotiate with anyone, even people who hate him.

WTF are you on? He didn't get anything that his constituents wanted in the deal.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
09/07/17 10:05:34 AM
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The_Donald posted...
Sounds like Trump made a deal. Good job Trump, bringing Dems and Conservatives together instead of dividing them like our previous president.

What conservatives wanted this deal?
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The_Donald
09/07/17 10:06:00 AM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
No one tricked Trump. This is why people voted for Trump. He's a great deal maker who can negotiate with anyone, even people who hate him.

WTF are you on? He didn't get anything that his constituents wanted in the deal.

The American people are his constituents and he has made a deal that helps them tremendously.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
09/07/17 10:06:20 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Just clickbaitish. Literally nothing in the article says that the Democrats "tricked" Trump either.

So are you saying that Trump INTENTIONALLY fucked over his own constituents?
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DifferentialEquation
09/07/17 10:06:34 AM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
No one tricked Trump. This is why people voted for Trump. He's a great deal maker who can negotiate with anyone, even people who hate him.

WTF are you on? He didn't get anything that his constituents wanted in the deal.


I did. I love seeing Trump in action negotiating great deals. It's like watching your favorite athlete make a great play. I got what I wanted out of the deal.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
09/07/17 10:06:42 AM
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The_Donald posted...
The American people are his constituents and he has made a deal that helps them tremendously.

By breaking his campaign promises?
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creativerealms
09/07/17 10:08:24 AM
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Yeah the only reason Trump would side with democrats is if they tricked him. *rolls eyes*
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The_Donald
09/07/17 10:08:59 AM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
By breaking his campaign promises?

Hes new at politics. Hes learned and has made America better through the process. Its sad you can only root for him to fail instead of America succeeding.
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donkeyjack
09/07/17 10:09:17 AM
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Lol
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Balrog0
09/07/17 10:11:59 AM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
The Admiral posted...
Just clickbaitish. Literally nothing in the article says that the Democrats "tricked" Trump either.

So are you saying that Trump INTENTIONALLY fucked over his own constituents?


his constituents are not the republican leadership of congress
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HypnoCoosh
09/07/17 10:12:40 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Vox article.


BBT post.
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Coffeebeanz
09/07/17 10:15:24 AM
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It sounds like Trump is fed up with the GOP leadership, and it's not like they were ever on good terms.
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Questionmarktarius
09/07/17 10:15:26 AM
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No. The republicans are angry because Trump refused to punt the next debt ceiling debacle until after the midterms.

That's all.
The only difference between the parties is that the democrats openly admit to wanting to spend imaginary money with no limitations. Republicans pretend to be against the idea but do it anyway, usually right after getting reelected.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
09/07/17 10:37:46 AM
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LIIlIBUUUURRRRAAAAAALLLLLSSSSS!!!!!!! RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
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prince_leo
09/07/17 10:41:25 AM
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like someone said in the other topic, this is kind of the issue when Trump just repeats what the last person who he talked to believes
so yeah, if Pelosi and Schumer can talk to him and play on his annoyance with Ryan/McConnell, then everyone wins (except for the GOP)
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ReignFury
09/07/17 10:48:47 AM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
No one tricked Trump. This is why people voted for Trump. He's a great deal maker who can negotiate with anyone, even people who hate him.

WTF are you on? He didn't get anything that his constituents wanted in the deal.


Maybe its what he wanted?
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NeoShadowhen
09/07/17 10:50:00 AM
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Republican Congress: "You fool! A lot of us are up for re-election in a year and this puts us in jeopardy!"

Trump: "You don't. Fucking. Say."
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Barenziah Boy Toy
09/07/17 11:11:09 AM
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ReignFury posted...
Maybe its what he wanted?

So you admit that Trump is INTENTIONALLY fucking over his base?
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glitteringfairy
09/07/17 11:11:22 AM
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EmeralDragon23 posted...
Someone check that @glitteringfairy hasn't died of a heart attack reading the title.

I'm howling with protest, I tells ya!
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Barenziah Boy Toy
09/07/17 11:12:58 AM
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The_Donald posted...
Hes new at politics. Hes learned and has made America better through the process. Its sad you can only root for him to fail instead of America succeeding.

Democrats tricking him into failing at his campaign promises is IN FACT America succeeding.
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