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_OujiDoza_ 12/05/17 4:26:32 PM #1:	https://t.co/x5iTojB2cj Some of the biggest losers under the Republican tax overhaul include upper-middle class families in high-tax areas like New York City, graduate students, government workers and public school teachers. The one thing they have in common? Theyre mostly Democrats. President Donald Trump and GOP leaders have promised that the two main goals of a tax code revamp are to benefit middle-class families and to slash the corporate tax rate. But paying for those changes has come in large part at the expense of breaks that are important to residents of high-tax states, which tend to be Democratic. Benefits used by universities and graduate students are also on the chopping block. And the repeal of the Obamacare individual mandate to buy insurance -- a centerpiece of Democrats biggest achievement in a generation -- is estimated to generate some $300 billion to pay for tax cuts. Its death to Democrats, said conservative economist Stephen Moore, who advised Trumps campaign on tax policy. They go after state and local taxes, which weakens public employee unions. They go after university endowments, and universities have become play pens of the left. And getting rid of the mandate is to eventually dismantle Obamacare, Moore said in an interview, arguing that it would accelerate a death spiral in the health-care laws marketplaces. The tax overhaul represents the GOP-controlled Congresss best chance for a policy win this year and looms large in the 2018 congressional elections. Not a single Democrat voted for either the House or the Senate bill. No Democratic amendments were approved in committee or on the floor of either chamber and the final House-Senate joint product is all but guaranteed to come from Republicans-only negotiations. Ideological Trophies The people who are going get the most whacked by this are wealthy and upper-middle class people who live in big cities, said John Feehery, a GOP lobbyist and former communicator for House leadership. In other words, Democrats. I dont think theres a conspiracy to go attack Democratic districts. But thats how the legislative process works -- if youre not going to participate in a game youre going to lose, he said. You need the revenue, and those constituencies are not really being represented because their representatives refused to participate. Democratic lawmakers say they were shut out of a rushed process, with scant time to review last-minute changes. In a tweet shared more than 150,000 times, Montana Democratic Senator Jon Tester posted a video of himself describing his party as blindsided by the almost 500-pages of legislation provided by Republicans on Friday evening just hours before the bill passed. This is just one big set of ideological trophies, Senator Ron Wyden, the top Democrat on the tax-writing Finance Committee, said after the vote. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:891648509] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>https://t.co/x5iTojB2cj</cite> <quote>Some of the biggest losers under the Republican tax overhaul include upper-middle class families in high-tax areas like New York City, graduate students, government workers and public school teachers. The one thing they have in common? Theyre mostly Democrats. President Donald Trump and GOP leaders have promised that the two main goals of a tax code revamp are to benefit middle-class families and to slash the corporate tax rate. But paying for those changes has come in large part at the expense of breaks that are important to residents of high-tax states, which tend to be Democratic. Benefits used by universities and graduate students are also on the chopping block. And the repeal of the Obamacare individual mandate to buy insurance -- a centerpiece of Democrats biggest achievement in a generation -- is estimated to generate some $300 billion to pay for tax cuts. Its death to Democrats, said conservative economist Stephen Moore, who advised Trumps campaign on tax policy. They go after state and local taxes, which weakens public employee unions. They go after university endowments, and universities have become play pens of the left. And getting rid of the mandate is to eventually dismantle Obamacare, Moore said in an interview, arguing that it would accelerate a death spiral in the health-care laws marketplaces. The tax overhaul represents the GOP-controlled Congresss best chance for a policy win this year and looms large in the 2018 congressional elections. Not a single Democrat voted for either the House or the Senate bill. No Democratic amendments were approved in committee or on the floor of either chamber and the final House-Senate joint product is all but guaranteed to come from Republicans-only negotiations. Ideological Trophies The people who are going get the most whacked by this are wealthy and upper-middle class people who live in big cities, said John Feehery, a GOP lobbyist and former communicator for House leadership. In other words, Democrats. I dont think theres a conspiracy to go attack Democratic districts. But thats how the legislative process works -- if youre not going to participate in a game youre going to lose, he said. You need the revenue, and those constituencies are not really being represented because their representatives refused to participate. Democratic lawmakers say they were shut out of a rushed process, with scant time to review last-minute changes. In a tweet shared more than 150,000 times, Montana Democratic Senator Jon Tester posted a video of himself describing his party as blindsided by the almost 500-pages of legislation provided by Republicans on Friday evening just hours before the bill passed. This is just one big set of ideological trophies, Senator Ron Wyden, the top Democrat on the tax-writing Finance Committee, said after the vote.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 12/05/17 4:26:50 PM #2:	SALT Deductions One of the most controversial measures in the House and Senate tax plans calls for repealing state and local tax deductions -- save for a $10,000 cap for property tax deductions. The benefit is most important for residents of high-tax states. Conservatives say they hope the change will mean lower state taxes and smaller governments. One hopefully positive result of this legislation will be that state and local officials will be less eager to jack up the taxes on hard working Americans, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas said after the bill passed. He mentioned California, New Jersey and New York explicitly. Democratic governors in those SALT-dependent states were furious about the provision -- New Yorks Andrew Cuomo called it political retaliation through the tax code. In addition to hitting certain middle-class and upper-middle class families, the removal of the state and local tax break could hurt public sector jobs and programs. State and local deductions ease the burden of state taxes -- without the breaks, the taxes are politically harder to impose and maintain. Public employee unions, a robust Democratic constituency, rely on state taxpayers for jobs and pensions. This is going to be a direct hit on us, said Peter MacKinnon, president of the Massachusetts-based SEIU Local 509. For some Republicans, the union anger is a feature of the plan, not a bug. Given the high cost of unionized government employees in states like Illinois, the fact that government employee unions oppose reforms makes the need for them all the more clear, said Michael Steel, who served as a spokesman for former House Speaker John Boehner. Policy Not Partisanship House Ways and Means Chairman Kevin Brady says theres no effort to target Democrats, and the revenue offsets are about lowering rates for all Americans. Chairman Brady has met repeatedly with Democrats in Congress and also union leaders and members about pro-growth tax reform. He always welcomed their ideas and their consideration during this process, Emily Schillinger, a spokeswoman for Brady, said in an email. "On SALT, the chairman has also said that he is working to lower taxes for Americans -- regardless of which state they live in. This tax reform issue is about policy -- not partisanship." Several provisions in the tax bills could affect educational institutions. The plans call for a new levy of 1.4 percent on colleges annual investment income. Under the House version of the bill, U.S. schools with funds of more than $250,000 per student would be affected, but the Senate proposal raised that to $500,000. A Cruz amendment added to the bill late would allow tax-advantaged contributions to 529 plans for private education and home-schooling expenses for K-12. The move could hurt public schools, according to the National Education Association, a teachers group that tends to back Democrats. Expanding education tax loopholes in order for wealthy families to stash away money for religious school will hurt neighborhood public schools and students, said Lily Eskelsen Garca, NEA president. Other measures in the House bill would eliminate deductions for student loans, treat graduate tuition waivers as taxable income, and prevent deductions for classroom expenses by public school teachers. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:891648533] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><quote>SALT Deductions One of the most controversial measures in the House and Senate tax plans calls for repealing state and local tax deductions -- save for a $10,000 cap for property tax deductions. The benefit is most important for residents of high-tax states. Conservatives say they hope the change will mean lower state taxes and smaller governments. One hopefully positive result of this legislation will be that state and local officials will be less eager to jack up the taxes on hard working Americans, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas said after the bill passed. He mentioned California, New Jersey and New York explicitly. Democratic governors in those SALT-dependent states were furious about the provision -- New Yorks Andrew Cuomo called it political retaliation through the tax code. In addition to hitting certain middle-class and upper-middle class families, the removal of the state and local tax break could hurt public sector jobs and programs. State and local deductions ease the burden of state taxes -- without the breaks, the taxes are politically harder to impose and maintain. Public employee unions, a robust Democratic constituency, rely on state taxpayers for jobs and pensions. This is going to be a direct hit on us, said Peter MacKinnon, president of the Massachusetts-based SEIU Local 509. For some Republicans, the union anger is a feature of the plan, not a bug. Given the high cost of unionized government employees in states like Illinois, the fact that government employee unions oppose reforms makes the need for them all the more clear, said Michael Steel, who served as a spokesman for former House Speaker John Boehner. Policy Not Partisanship House Ways and Means Chairman Kevin Brady says theres no effort to target Democrats, and the revenue offsets are about lowering rates for all Americans. Chairman Brady has met repeatedly with Democrats in Congress and also union leaders and members about pro-growth tax reform. He always welcomed their ideas and their consideration during this process, Emily Schillinger, a spokeswoman for Brady, said in an email. "On SALT, the chairman has also said that he is working to lower taxes for Americans -- regardless of which state they live in. This tax reform issue is about policy -- not partisanship." Several provisions in the tax bills could affect educational institutions. The plans call for a new levy of 1.4 percent on colleges annual investment income. Under the House version of the bill, U.S. schools with funds of more than $250,000 per student would be affected, but the Senate proposal raised that to $500,000. A Cruz amendment added to the bill late would allow tax-advantaged contributions to 529 plans for private education and home-schooling expenses for K-12. The move could hurt public schools, according to the National Education Association, a teachers group that tends to back Democrats. Expanding education tax loopholes in order for wealthy families to stash away money for religious school will hurt neighborhood public schools and students, said Lily Eskelsen Garca, NEA president. Other measures in the House bill would eliminate deductions for student loans, treat graduate tuition waivers as taxable income, and prevent deductions for classroom expenses by public school teachers.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 12/05/17 4:27:33 PM #3:	Conservatives Win Its not deliberate targeting so much as the people who are likely to vote for the bill arent going to the mat" for issues like SALT or public sector jobs and schools, said Rohit Kumar, a former deputy chief of staff to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell who now oversees tax policy for Pricewaterhousecoopers LLP. So it becomes the path of least resistance. Julia Lawless, a spokeswoman for Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch, said Democrats had ample opportunity to offer input, file amendments and work to help shape the final product. While Democrats are poised to lose, conservatives have been bolstered by some of the tax plans changes. The Senate bill opens up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, something Senator Lisa Murkowski had pushed for and environmentalists have been battling for years. The House legislation repeals the 1954 Johnson amendment that prohibits tax-exempt nonprofits like churches from supporting or opposing political candidates -- a move welcomed by evangelicals. The House bill also grants 529 tax breaks for parents of unborn children, a provision that reproductive-rights advocates fear will threaten legal abortion. Reagan, Bush Cuts The last major tax cuts -- in the 1980s under Ronald Reagan and early 2000s under George W. Bush -- were approved with bipartisan support. Until the ACA, which extended coverage to millions of Americans by imposing higher taxes on wealthy people and health industry groups, major legislation was often done with the backing of both parties. Whatever their motives may be for particular provisions, Republicans are well-aware of their effects, said William Galston, a senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution. One of the definitions of justice offered in Platos Republic is doing good to your friends and harm to your enemies, Galston said. I think its fair to say the Republican leadership takes that definition of justice very seriously. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:891648585] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><quote>Conservatives Win Its not deliberate targeting so much as the people who are likely to vote for the bill arent going to the mat" for issues like SALT or public sector jobs and schools, said Rohit Kumar, a former deputy chief of staff to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell who now oversees tax policy for Pricewaterhousecoopers LLP. So it becomes the path of least resistance. Julia Lawless, a spokeswoman for Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch, said Democrats had ample opportunity to offer input, file amendments and work to help shape the final product. While Democrats are poised to lose, conservatives have been bolstered by some of the tax plans changes. The Senate bill opens up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, something Senator Lisa Murkowski had pushed for and environmentalists have been battling for years. The House legislation repeals the 1954 Johnson amendment that prohibits tax-exempt nonprofits like churches from supporting or opposing political candidates -- a move welcomed by evangelicals. The House bill also grants 529 tax breaks for parents of unborn children, a provision that reproductive-rights advocates fear will threaten legal abortion. Reagan, Bush Cuts The last major tax cuts -- in the 1980s under Ronald Reagan and early 2000s under George W. Bush -- were approved with bipartisan support. Until the ACA, which extended coverage to millions of Americans by imposing higher taxes on wealthy people and health industry groups, major legislation was often done with the backing of both parties. Whatever their motives may be for particular provisions, Republicans are well-aware of their effects, said William Galston, a senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution. One of the definitions of justice offered in Platos Republic is doing good to your friends and harm to your enemies, Galston said. I think its fair to say the Republican leadership takes that definition of justice very seriously.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 12/05/17 4:27:37 PM #4:	tl;dr take that liberals --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:891648592] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>tl;dr take that liberals</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 12/05/17 4:27:52 PM #5:	Absolutely disgraceful --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:891648606] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely disgraceful</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 12/05/17 4:27:56 PM #6:	Haha, that fire I started gave you third degree burns over 90% of your body and only 80% of my body. Sucks to be you. --- The poster formerly known as Kakarot181: July 2, 2002 - March 14, 2012. Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:891648612] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>Haha, that fire I started gave you third degree burns over 90% of your body and only 80% of my body. Sucks to be you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 12/05/17 4:28:05 PM #7:	What the fuck is happening in this country? It's like the beginning of a dictatorship --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:891648622] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>What the fuck is happening in this country? It's like the beginning of a dictatorship</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
John_Galt 12/05/17 4:29:03 PM #8:	Crush your enemies --- Who is John Galt? <cite>John_Galt posted [p:891648688] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>Crush your enemies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 12/05/17 4:30:45 PM #9:	tremain07 posted... What the fuck is happening in this country? It's like the beginning of a dictatorship They don't even try to disguise their agenda anymore because they know the majority of Americans are legit just too stupid to question or even care enough to stop them. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:891648789] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>What the fuck is happening in this country? It's like the beginning of a dictatorship</quote> They don't even try to disguise their agenda anymore because they know the majority of Americans are legit just too stupid to question or even care enough to stop them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X 12/05/17 4:33:00 PM #10:	lol Donald Trump's America in 2017. let's ruin millions of lives so we can hurt those damned liberals! while these conservative trolls who voted for this jackass will also suffer the same damn fate. good work America. and God speed. I'm moving to japan. --- PSN xJokerLastLaughx Currently playing MKXL SF5 Xenoverse 2 AC4 Black Flag Watchdogs 2 Ghost Recon Wildlands WWE 2K17 Advance Warfare exo zombies only. <cite>Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted [p:891648930] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>lol Donald Trump's America in 2017. let's ruin millions of lives so we can hurt those damned liberals! while these conservative trolls who voted for this jackass will also suffer the same damn fate. good work America. and God speed. I'm moving to japan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/05/17 4:33:41 PM #11:	So do liberals like taxes or not? --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:891648965] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>So do liberals like taxes or not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 12/05/17 4:35:25 PM #12:	_OujiDoza_ posted... tremain07 posted... What the fuck is happening in this country? It's like the beginning of a dictatorship They don't even try to disguise their agenda anymore because they know the majority of Americans are legit just too stupid to question or even care enough to stop them. It's insane, they're actively trying to stamp Democrat supporters by making them too poor and stupid to vote, combine that with Devo's bullshit and it really seems like they just want the wealthy to prosper into family dynasties and royalty. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:891649078] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>What the fuck is happening in this country? It's like the beginning of a dictatorship</quote> They don't even try to disguise their agenda anymore because they know the majority of Americans are legit just too stupid to question or even care enough to stop them.</quote> It's insane, they're actively trying to stamp Democrat supporters by making them too poor and stupid to vote, combine that with Devo's bullshit and it really seems like they just want the wealthy to prosper into family dynasties and royalty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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southcoast09 12/05/17 4:37:29 PM #14:	Trump did say that we'd get tired of winning... Im still up for another seven years of nonstop victory, though. --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:891649192] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>Trump did say that we'd get tired of winning... Im still up for another seven years of nonstop victory, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 12/05/17 4:37:52 PM #15:	Spooking posted... since they're the ones paying for everything. Imagine actually believing this. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:891649215] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>since they're the ones paying for everything.</quote> Imagine actually believing this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 12/05/17 4:47:54 PM #16:	_OujiDoza_ posted... Spooking posted... since they're the ones paying for everything. Imagine actually believing this. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-earners-pay-84-of-income-tax-1428674384 --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:891649837] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>since they're the ones paying for everything.</quote> Imagine actually believing this.</quote> https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-earners-pay-84-of-income-tax-1428674384</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 12/05/17 4:49:57 PM #17:	The worst part is Conservatives control the military so not even an uprising will work. --- My dream has finally come true. I own a SNES Classic. I like Gardevoir, just not in that way. <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:891649963] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>The worst part is Conservatives control the military so not even an uprising will work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 12/05/17 4:50:43 PM #18:	Mal_Fet posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... Spooking posted... since they're the ones paying for everything. Imagine actually believing this. https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-earners-pay-84-of-income-tax-1428674384 Hmmmm.... --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:891650010] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>since they're the ones paying for everything.</quote> Imagine actually believing this.</quote> https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-earners-pay-84-of-income-tax-1428674384</quote> Hmmmm....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/05/17 4:53:37 PM #19:	Illinois is going to get fucked hard, if the local-taxes deduction gets killed. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891650166] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>Illinois is going to get fucked hard, if the local-taxes deduction gets killed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 12/05/17 4:54:19 PM #20:	John_Galt posted... Crush your enemies indeed. the tone is set. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:891650203] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote>Crush your enemies</quote> indeed. the tone is set.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 12/05/17 4:55:45 PM #21:	Moving to small government is a good thing and cutting down on union waste too. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:891650283] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>Moving to small government is a good thing and cutting down on union waste too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 12/05/17 4:55:51 PM #22:	So the country gets fucked so they can fuck the democrats. Wow <cite>Axiom posted [p:891650288] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>So the country gets fucked so they can fuck the democrats. Wow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 12/05/17 4:57:24 PM #24:	John_Galt posted... Crush your enemies --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:891650376] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote>Crush your enemies</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmericaTheBrave 12/05/17 4:58:45 PM #25:	FLUFFYGERM posted... John_Galt posted... Crush your enemies So the complete and utter destruction of liberalism and Democrats is your goal. Thanks for confirming that. --- http://i.imgur.com/loj3Iz4.jpg <cite>AmericaTheBrave posted [p:891650462] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote>Crush your enemies</quote></quote> So the complete and utter destruction of liberalism and Democrats is your goal. Thanks for confirming that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/05/17 4:59:59 PM #26:	AmericaTheBrave posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... John_Galt posted... Crush your enemies So the complete and utter destruction of liberalism and Democrats is your goal. Thanks for confirming that. Well... we've already heard the lamentations of their women. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891650534] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>AmericaTheBrave posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote>Crush your enemies</quote></quote> So the complete and utter destruction of liberalism and Democrats is your goal. Thanks for confirming that.</quote> Well... we've already heard the lamentations of their women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 12/05/17 5:01:27 PM #27:	Questionmarktarius posted... AmericaTheBrave posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... John_Galt posted... Crush your enemies So the complete and utter destruction of liberalism and Democrats is your goal. Thanks for confirming that. Well... we've already heard the lamentations of their women. We've heard the lamentations of conservative women as well... well, liberals have at least. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:891650640] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AmericaTheBrave posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote> Crush your enemies </quote> </quote> So the complete and utter destruction of liberalism and Democrats is your goal. Thanks for confirming that.</quote> Well... we've already heard the lamentations of their women.</quote> We've heard the lamentations of conservative women as well... well, liberals have at least.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/05/17 5:02:54 PM #28:	What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? If states charge too much in taxes, they will have to reconsider how much they charge. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:891650739] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? If states charge too much in taxes, they will have to reconsider how much they charge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 12/05/17 5:03:39 PM #29:	Damn_Underscore posted... What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? "double taxation is wrong!" --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:891650796] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? </quote> "double taxation is wrong!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/05/17 5:04:26 PM #30:	Damn_Underscore posted... What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? Nothing. It never should have existed anyway. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891650849] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? </quote> Nothing. It never should have existed anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 12/05/17 5:09:09 PM #31:	Spooking posted... Maybe one should stop bashing the rich all the time since they're the ones paying for everything. Bruh, are you not familiar with deductions? The rich are in a position to take advantage of the absolute most tax breaks out of any group in this country. --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:891651140] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe one should stop bashing the rich all the time since they're the ones paying for everything.</quote> Bruh, are you not familiar with deductions? The rich are in a position to take advantage of the absolute most tax breaks out of any group in this country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 12/05/17 5:09:54 PM #32:	CrimsonRage posted... Duncanwii posted... The worst part is Conservatives control the military so not even an uprising will work. Can't have a military without soldiers and I doubt they'd all be united if it came to that. The few soldiers who'd be on the fence won't put their livelihood and freedom on the line (since they would certainly be discharged and thrown in prison for desertion) to make a statement. We are screwed if that and martial law is declared. --- My dream has finally come true. I own a SNES Classic. I like Gardevoir, just not in that way. <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:891651188] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>The worst part is Conservatives control the military so not even an uprising will work.</quote> Can't have a military without soldiers and I doubt they'd all be united if it came to that.</quote> The few soldiers who'd be on the fence won't put their livelihood and freedom on the line (since they would certainly be discharged and thrown in prison for desertion) to make a statement. We are screwed if that and martial law is declared.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 12/05/17 5:12:14 PM #33:	Damn_Underscore posted... What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? If states charge too much in taxes, they will have to reconsider how much they charge. Nothing at all. Time for people to feel the full burden of their taxes, rather than have others subsidize them. --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:891651323] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? If states charge too much in taxes, they will have to reconsider how much they charge.</quote> Nothing at all. Time for people to feel the full burden of their taxes, rather than have others subsidize them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 12/05/17 5:13:06 PM #34:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Damn_Underscore posted... What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? If states charge too much in taxes, they will have to reconsider how much they charge. Nothing at all. Time for people to feel the full burden of their taxes, rather than have others subsidize them. What a stupid statement but then again it is Proud we're talking about. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:891651365] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? If states charge too much in taxes, they will have to reconsider how much they charge.</quote> Nothing at all. Time for people to feel the full burden of their taxes, rather than have others subsidize them.</quote> What a stupid statement but then again it is Proud we're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inferno Dive Dragoon 12/05/17 5:32:12 PM #35:	And yet if I suggest a call for a civil war or revolution, to oust the American aristocracy, I'll be told I'm a fool and end up in Purgatory again. --- Les aristocrates a la lanterne! Les aristocrates on les pendra! <cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted [p:891652472] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>And yet if I suggest a call for a civil war or revolution, to oust the American aristocracy, I'll be told I'm a fool and end up in Purgatory again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 12/05/17 5:40:22 PM #36:	You got a 5000 karma alt though. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:891652900] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>You got a 5000 karma alt though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 12/05/17 5:41:24 PM #37:	Inferno Dive Dragoon posted... And yet if I suggest a call for a civil war or revolution, to oust the American aristocracy, I'll be told I'm a fool and end up in Purgatory again. It wouldn't work anyway since an overwhelmingly large number of soldiers are Republican and won't fight Trump. --- My dream has finally come true. I own a SNES Classic. I like Gardevoir, just not in that way. <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:891652956] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...</cite> <quote>And yet if I suggest a call for a civil war or revolution, to oust the American aristocracy, I'll be told I'm a fool and end up in Purgatory again.</quote> It wouldn't work anyway since an overwhelmingly large number of soldiers are Republican and won't fight Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/05/17 5:41:49 PM #38:	Inferno Dive Dragoon posted... And yet if I suggest a call for a civil war or revolution, to oust the American aristocracy, I'll be told I'm a fool and end up in Purgatory again. The French Revolution did lead to Napoleon. The Russian Revolution ended up even worse. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891652978] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...</cite> <quote>And yet if I suggest a call for a civil war or revolution, to oust the American aristocracy, I'll be told I'm a fool and end up in Purgatory again.</quote> The French Revolution did lead to Napoleon. The Russian Revolution ended up even worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 12/05/17 5:45:18 PM #39:	Darkman124 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? "double taxation is wrong!" Are you saying a state tax could be considered double taxation? I don't think I'd agree with that. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:891653171] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote> What is wrong with getting rid of tax cuts for state and local taxes? </quote> "double taxation is wrong!"</quote> Are you saying a state tax could be considered double taxation? I don't think I'd agree with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 12/05/17 5:54:13 PM #40:	Duncanwii posted... The few soldiers who'd be on the fence won't put their livelihood and freedom on the line (since they would certainly be discharged and thrown in prison for desertion) to make a statement. Remember when Redcoat George Washington stayed loyal to the British? During the Revolution and Civil War there were plenty of soldiers that joined the rebellion. Why would that suddenly change now and every soldier becomes 100% loyal? --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:891653628] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>The few soldiers who'd be on the fence won't put their livelihood and freedom on the line (since they would certainly be discharged and thrown in prison for desertion) to make a statement. </quote> Remember when Redcoat George Washington stayed loyal to the British? During the Revolution and Civil War there were plenty of soldiers that joined the rebellion. Why would that suddenly change now and every soldier becomes 100% loyal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 12/05/17 6:08:41 PM #41:	chill02 posted... tl;dr take that liberals Thing is we should be working together. You are not making your country stronger when you are screwing over half the people who live there. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:891654365] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote>tl;dr take that liberals</quote>Thing is we should be working together. You are not making your country stronger when you are screwing over half the people who live there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 12/05/17 6:11:54 PM #42:	Conservatives are traitors but turn about is fair play gonna be fun in four years --- https://i.imgur.com/waKmsfs.gifv https://i.imgur.com/rUkYNB9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/c1FQVCf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VX0lMwY.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:891654529] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives are traitors but turn about is fair play gonna be fun in four years</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/05/17 6:13:10 PM #43:	CADE FOSTER posted... Conservatives are traitors but turn about is fair play gonna be fun in four years Idk. Economy will likely crash if the tax cuts do pass through the house and it'll likely happen as the democrat president steps in so they'll just blame them and we repeat Bush/Obama all over again. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:891654587] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives are traitors but turn about is fair play gonna be fun in four years</quote> Idk. Economy will likely crash if the tax cuts do pass through the house and it'll likely happen as the democrat president steps in so they'll just blame them and we repeat Bush/Obama all over again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 12/05/17 6:21:09 PM #44:	George Washington said that political parties would destroy this country. He was right and you are seeing the beginning of it. Everyone cares more about their team then their country and their team is Rs or Ds. This system makes half the country your enemy its disgusting. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:891655031] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>George Washington said that political parties would destroy this country. He was right and you are seeing the beginning of it. Everyone cares more about their team then their country and their team is Rs or Ds. This system makes half the country your enemy its disgusting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inferno Dive Dragoon 12/05/17 6:22:01 PM #45:	DragonGirlYuki posted... You got a 5000 karma alt though. Doesn't mean I enjoy being locked out of one of my accounts. Moreso than that though, I don't enjoy being caught in this pissing match between the left and right. I'm of the lower class and politically unaffiliated, so admittedly I don't put much trust in yuppie-ass Democrats to not screw me over if they were in charge. Hell, even assuming a war broke out, I'd rather they stayed on their side of the trench and I stayed on mine even if we're gunning for the same target. Besides, I'm a white cis man, liberals think I'm icky and don't want me near them anyway. --- Les aristocrates a la lanterne! Les aristocrates on les pendra! <cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted [p:891655083] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>DragonGirlYuki posted...</cite> <quote>You got a 5000 karma alt though.</quote> Doesn't mean I enjoy being locked out of one of my accounts. Moreso than that though, I don't enjoy being caught in this pissing match between the left and right. I'm of the lower class and politically unaffiliated, so admittedly I don't put much trust in yuppie-ass Democrats to not screw me over if they were in charge. Hell, even assuming a war broke out, I'd rather they stayed on their side of the trench and I stayed on mine even if we're gunning for the same target. Besides, I'm a white cis man, liberals think I'm icky and don't want me near them anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 12/05/17 6:22:47 PM #46:	Omega Hunter posted... George Washington said that political parties would destroy this country. He was right and you are seeing the beginning of it. Everyone cares more about their team then their country and their team is Rs or Ds. This system makes half the country your enemy its disgusting. Gee Iunno you don't see Dems intentionally pursuing policies to fuck over Republican districts. Seems like one side is very much more the problem here. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:891655133] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>George Washington said that political parties would destroy this country. He was right and you are seeing the beginning of it. Everyone cares more about their team then their country and their team is Rs or Ds. This system makes half the country your enemy its disgusting.</quote> Gee Iunno you don't see Dems intentionally pursuing policies to fuck over Republican districts. Seems like one side is very much more the problem here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/05/17 6:26:46 PM #47:	Omega Hunter posted... George Washington said that political parties would destroy this country. He was right and you are seeing the beginning of it. Everyone cares more about their team then their country and their team is Rs or Ds. This system makes half the country your enemy its disgusting. Let's not forget that the founding fathers did design the EC system which has largely remained unchanged and is a big factor in why a two party system exists the way it does in the US. Although I don't think they intended it to work out the way it did. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:891655343] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>George Washington said that political parties would destroy this country. He was right and you are seeing the beginning of it. Everyone cares more about their team then their country and their team is Rs or Ds. This system makes half the country your enemy its disgusting.</quote> Let's not forget that the founding fathers did design the EC system which has largely remained unchanged and is a big factor in why a two party system exists the way it does in the US. Although I don't think they intended it to work out the way it did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/05/17 6:29:39 PM #48:	At this point, a part of me hopes that Trump fucks something up so colossal that the party system as we know it gets tossed out. But the size that the fuck up would have to be is just as terrifying. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:891655501] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>At this point, a part of me hopes that Trump fucks something up so colossal that the party system as we know it gets tossed out. But the size that the fuck up would have to be is just as terrifying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/05/17 6:31:40 PM #49:	Dragonblade01 posted... At this point, a part of me hopes that Trump fucks something up so colossal that the party system as we know it gets tossed out. But the size that the fuck up would have to be is just as terrifying. It won't, because at worse Trump will destroy the GOP and another right wing party(that may even be more insane who knows) will replace them. Two party system is fundamental in how our voting system currently works and neither side will do anything, because when they have the power to do so they don't want to mess with the thing that they used to win. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:891655619] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>At this point, a part of me hopes that Trump fucks something up so colossal that the party system as we know it gets tossed out. But the size that the fuck up would have to be is just as terrifying.</quote> It won't, because at worse Trump will destroy the GOP and another right wing party(that may even be more insane who knows) will replace them. Two party system is fundamental in how our voting system currently works and neither side will do anything, because when they have the power to do so they don't want to mess with the thing that they used to win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 12/05/17 9:59:06 PM #50:	Tea party 2 electric boogaloo --- https://i.imgur.com/waKmsfs.gifv https://i.imgur.com/rUkYNB9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/c1FQVCf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VX0lMwY.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:891667124] in Tax Bill c... [t:76065563]...</cite> <quote>Tea party 2 electric boogaloo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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