Current Events > Jordan Peterson "Can men and women work together in the workplace?"

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https://youtu.be/blTglME9rvQ?t=5m50s

Oof quite the intellectual heavyweight.
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Well, given how much sexual harassment in the workplace there is even in this day and age, I cant say hes totally of his rockers for thinking its an open question even if I wholly disagree with his stance
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We don't know what the rules are
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"Things are deteriorating very rapidly at the moment."

Umm...
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Kazi1212 posted...

Well, given how much sexual harassment in the workplace there is even in this day and age, I cant say hes totally of his rockers for thinking its an open question even if I wholly disagree with his stance

This. Are you really dense enough that you cant understand what hes saying?

I say no, too much distraction. Men and women work better separated in groups of their own gender
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thrashmetal14 posted...

This. Are you really dense enough that you cant understand what hes saying?

He isn't saying much of anything.
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iClockwork posted...

thrashmetal14 posted...

This. Are you really dense enough that you cant understand what hes saying?

He isn't saying much of anything.

Seems like you arent listening

thrashmetal14 posted...

iClockwork posted...

thrashmetal14 posted...

This. Are you really dense enough that you cant understand what hes saying?

He isn't saying much of anything.

Seems like you arent listening

Na I listened pretty closely. His premise wasn't true so anything after is meaningless.
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iClockwork posted...

thrashmetal14 posted...

iClockwork posted...

thrashmetal14 posted...

This. Are you really dense enough that you cant understand what hes saying?

He isn't saying much of anything.

Seems like you arent listening

Na I listened pretty closely. His premise wasn't true so anything after is meaningless.

So why are you posting this if its meaningless? And what was his premise, didnt see the whole thing
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iClockwork posted...

thrashmetal14 posted...

iClockwork posted...

thrashmetal14 posted...

This. Are you really dense enough that you cant understand what hes saying?

He isn't saying much of anything.

Seems like you arent listening

Na I listened pretty closely. His premise wasn't true so anything after is meaningless.

Since youre such an amazing intellect maybe you should debate Jordan Peterson and see how it goes

My christ he's so out of his element lmao. Like 20 seconds in and I've already caught second-hand embarrassment like 3 times
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thrashmetal14 posted...

Since youre such an amazing intellect maybe you should debate Jordan Peterson and see how it goes

On the topic of "is the relationship between men and women deteriorating in the workplace," yes i'd readily have that debate.
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Vice is in the middle of a shitload of sexual harassment charges, and this guy is trying to make his point right here. Such irony.

Vice did a story years ago about how woman being forced to wear burqas in another country was just another culture and we shouldn't judge. That told me a lot about where they come from.

Itoldyaso posted...

Vice did a story years ago about how woman being forced to wear burqas in another country was just another culture and we shouldn't judge.

link?

Can someone TLDR his stance? I can't watch a video right now.

Dash_Harber posted...

Can someone TLDR his stance? I can't watch a video right now.

He alludes to the fact that men and women can;t work together because women wear makeup.
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iClockwork posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Can someone TLDR his stance? I can't watch a video right now.

He alludes to the fact that men and women can;t work together because women wear makeup.

Hahahahahahaha ...
hahahaha ...
haha ...
That's crazy.

Peterson...

Wtf is you doin'
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TheoryzC posted...

Peterson...

Wtf is you doin'

Continuing his role as the dumb persons smart man.
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Sure, we've been fine with it for awhile now.
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Speaking of his comments on high heels, I was just thinking about if I ever ran a company, I'd make sure every meeting room has a table standing high enough that you have to stand. This way, meetings will never last longer than they should because everyone's going to get tired of standing, women have to wear flats and drop those obnoxiously loud high heels, and I get to slam on the table to make a point, Ace Attorney style.
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I've never had a problem with it.

I think people who do are just sexist really.
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Of course he does. And of course his cult of followers support it.

This is why you never should fullsail believe that one person is always completely right about everything
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iClockwork posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Can someone TLDR his stance? I can't watch a video right now.

He alludes to the fact that men and women can;t work together because women wear makeup.

*facedesk*
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Solar_Crimson posted...

iClockwork posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Can someone TLDR his stance? I can't watch a video right now.

He alludes to the fact that men and women can;t work together because women wear makeup.

*facedesk*

Yeah it's really bad.

First he says relationships are detoriating, which I don't even think is true.

Then he claims women wear make up to sexually arouse men and then its hypocritical if they complain about harrasment.

Wut....

People want to look their best because

1. They like how they look.
2. It's profressional.

By the same token of logic men being clean and combing their hair has no place in the workplace.

It's just nonsense...

If you can't work effectively because some of your colleagues are wearing lipstick then you suck. There's no if/nos or buts about it.
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TC deliberately posts this video at a certain point so you dont see the context.

JP says "it's not easy to solve complicated problems, and ready-made ideological solutions don't work, it just makes it worse"

and the interviewer challenges him by saying "that's just a maxim, you're not actually addressing the question"

then JP questions him on a pretty common question that we don't even think about, which is relations between men & women in the workplace. JP says that women in the workforce is a pretty new thing and so far there have been lots of problems, and continues to challenge the guy on stuff that we basically just accept without thinking, like letting women wear makeup/high heels/etc in the office. this is really more of a thought experiment than anything, and i think he is being deliberately inflammatory here.

however my problem with JP is that he gets way too into the evolutionary angle of shit (i.e. "women paint their lips red because it simulates flush lips during sexual arousal"), which i feel makes him pretty detached from reality. in this case, it is that the action of putting on lipstick has evolved past being a primal practice to having a different meaning altogether, and honestly for a lot of men, lipstick isn't even sexually appealing, so it's hard to say that a woman putting on lipstick is subconsciously making herself more sexually presentable. I like JP but i think he is up his own ass way too much, he takes arguments like this into the real world that dont really have any place there
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iClockwork posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Can someone TLDR his stance? I can't watch a video right now.

He alludes to the fact that men and women can;t work together because women wear makeup.

I don't get it. Why would that mean men and women can't work together?
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lmao

is this seriously the new great thinker for the right
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The Logical Professor has done it again
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ThyCorndog posted...

iClockwork posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Can someone TLDR his stance? I can't watch a video right now.

He alludes to the fact that men and women can;t work together because women wear makeup.

I don't get it. Why would that mean men and women can't work together?

Because women are doing it to try and sexually arouse men.

Then they claim the men they aroused are harrasing them
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Then he claims women wear make up to sexually arouse men and then its hypocritical if they complain about harrasment.

Wut....

People want to look their best because

1. They like how they look.
2. It's professional.

By the same token of logic men being clean and combing their hair has no place in the workplace.

His point is that it's hypocritcal to put on make up (specifically red lip stick and blush for increased arousal) or wear high heels (that accentuate the booty) and then complain about sexual harassment because the point of those actions are to increase a girl's sexual attractiveness.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Because women are doing it to try and sexually arouse men.

Is that his stance? Or yours? I can't watch the video rn but that's a dumb stance and not generally true

Edit: nvm that's his stance. Just read your other post
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Sad_Face posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Then he claims women wear make up to sexually arouse men and then its hypocritical if they complain about harrasment.

Wut....

People want to look their best because

1. They like how they look.
2. It's professional.

By the same token of logic men being clean and combing their hair has no place in the workplace.

His point is that it's hypocritcal to put on make up (specifically red lip stick and blush for increased arousal) or wear high heels (that accentuate the booty) and then complain about sexual harassment because the point of those actions are to increase a girl's sexual attractiveness.

And that's a dumb point.

For starters the premise isn't even true. Looking good and wearing make up does not come from a goal to attract mates anymore.

And for two, even if we pretend the premise is true, that's still an awful point to use as an example for men and women not working together. It's the same logic as the Islamic "Women need to cover themselves or else men will rape them!" stupidity.

If you can't look at or work with a girl without harrasing her, then you suck. It's not because you are male it's because you suck. You need to change and keep up with the basic low standards that everyone else manages.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Sad_Face posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Then he claims women wear make up to sexually arouse men and then its hypocritical if they complain about harrasment.

Wut....

People want to look their best because

1. They like how they look.
2. It's professional.

By the same token of logic men being clean and combing their hair has no place in the workplace.

His point is that it's hypocritcal to put on make up (specifically red lip stick and blush for increased arousal) or wear high heels (that accentuate the booty) and then complain about sexual harassment because the point of those actions are to increase a girl's sexual attractiveness.

And that's a dumb point.

For starters the premise isn't even true. Looking good and wearing make up does not come from a goal to attract mates anymore.

And for two, even if we pretend the premise is true, that's still an awful point to use as an example for men and women not working together. It's the same logic as the Islamic "Women need to cover themselves or else men will rape them!" stupidity.

If you can't look at or work with a girl without harrasing her, then you suck. It's not because you are male it's because you suck. You need to change and keep up with the basic low standards that everyone else manages.

This plus a lot of work places encourage women to dress up in that way, so putting the blame on them in order to call them hypocrites is also dumb
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I didn't watch the video, just wanna comment on the whole lipstick thing. We're still biological. The impulses that guided our evolution for hundreds of thousands of years are still there. We do all kinds of things without realizing that our subconscious is pushing us to do those things for reproductive fitness.

It's possible that our subconscious still influences us in that way.

I like all the dudes defending The Most Logicalest Professor Man ever to exist aka Richard Dawkins for right wing millennials by referring to things like sexual harassment claims, biological urges etc.

But should a ''''''liberal'''''' figure propose a safe space or 'segregated' area on those same reasons, it's REGRESSIVE CULTURAL MARXIST SEGREGATION
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Truly the greatest thinker of our time
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Up yours, Daddy-O!

Romulox28 posted...

TC deliberately posts this video at a certain point so you dont see the context.

JP says "it's not easy to solve complicated problems, and ready-made ideological solutions don't work, it just makes it worse"

and the interviewer challenges him by saying "that's just a maxim, you're not actually addressing the question"

then JP questions him on a pretty common question that we don't even think about, which is relations between men & women in the workplace. JP says that women in the workforce is a pretty new thing and so far there have been lots of problems, and continues to challenge the guy on stuff that we basically just accept without thinking, like letting women wear makeup/high heels/etc in the office. this is really more of a thought experiment than anything, and i think he is being deliberately inflammatory here.

however my problem with JP is that he gets way too into the evolutionary angle of shit (i.e. "women paint their lips red because it simulates flush lips during sexual arousal"), which i feel makes him pretty detached from reality. in this case, it is that the action of putting on lipstick has evolved past being a primal practice to having a different meaning altogether, and honestly for a lot of men, lipstick isn't even sexually appealing, so it's hard to say that a woman putting on lipstick is subconsciously making herself more sexually presentable. I like JP but i think he is up his own ass way too much, he takes arguments like this into the real world that dont really have any place there

This. Outside of the context leading to that question it makes him seem a bit off his rocker, but his point is that we treat too many things as axiomatic without really digging into them. TC is one of those people trying to turn Peterson into someone like Tucker Carlson so they can outright ignore every point Peterson has or will ever make, because that's way easier than actually addressing or refuting them.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

For starters the premise isn't even true. Looking good and wearing make up does not come from a goal to attract mates anymore.

It doesn't matter what the intentions of the girl is. When you look attractive, you attract attention. That's the point of being attractive in the first place. If you take actions to look more attractive in a provocative manner, you'll attractive more interest in that manner as well.

UnfairRepresent posted...

And for two, even if we pretend the premise is true, that's still an awful point to use as an example for men and women not working together. It's the same logic as the Islamic "Women need to cover themselves or else men will rape them!" stupidity.

I never stated my opinion on this, let's not jump arguments.

ThyCorndog posted...

This plus a lot of work places encourage women to dress up in that way, so putting the blame on them in order to call them hypocrites is also dumb

This is an issue, I will agree. But that doesn't negate the fact that it's contradictory to want to take precautions to not attract that kind of attention to yourself while putting on pumps and lush red lipstick on. And I'll emphasize that it's not all make up that increases your sexual attractiveness, which is why I'm repeating the specific examples Petersen is used.
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s0nicfan posted...

This. Outside of the context leading to that question it makes him seem a bit off his rocker, but his point is that we treat too many things as axiomatic without really digging into them. TC is one of those people trying to turn Peterson into someone like Tucker Carlson so they can outright ignore every point Peterson has or will ever make, because that's way easier than actually addressing or refuting them.

Aka you'll slurp up anything Peterson says without ever admitting that occasionally he might be wrong
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s0nicfan posted...

Outside of the context leading to that question it makes him seem a bit off his rocker, but his point is that we treat too many things as axiomatic without really digging into them.

I mean, the interviewer, a couple of times I think, asks him directly if these are his opinions, and he says they are. He's not just playing devil's advocate here, clearly, so the context doesn't really matter too much.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

This. Outside of the context leading to that question it makes him seem a bit off his rocker, but his point is that we treat too many things as axiomatic without really digging into them. TC is one of those people trying to turn Peterson into someone like Tucker Carlson so they can outright ignore every point Peterson has or will ever make, because that's way easier than actually addressing or refuting them.

Aka you'll slurp up anything Peterson says without ever admitting that occasionally he might be wrong

Of course he's occasionally wrong. Pretending like that invalidates anything he's ever said is stupid. The TC is obviously trying to discredit his intelligence, which would impact use of his arguments in other topic areas. I'm not defending his argument. I'm defending his character.
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Romulox28 posted...

however my problem with JP is that he gets way too into the evolutionary angle of s*** (i.e. "women paint their lips red because it simulates flush lips during sexual arousal"), which i feel makes him pretty detached from reality. in this case, it is that the action of putting on lipstick has evolved past being a primal practice to having a different meaning altogether, and honestly for a lot of men, lipstick isn't even sexually appealing, so it's hard to say that a woman putting on lipstick is subconsciously making herself more sexually presentable. I like JP but i think he is up his own ass way too much, he takes arguments like this into the real world that dont really have any place there

Lipstick makes your lips look thicker, lusher, gives it that pump. Haven't you heard of the term, dsl (I'm not typing that out, much less capitalizing it)? That has never been used to describe thin lips. And red has been researched and documented to be more sexually provocative. The stereotype of a lead female vocalist of a jazz band wearing a deep red dress exists for a reason. Petersen isn't out of bounds here.
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fenderbender321 posted...

knuxnole posted...

Men and women work better separated in groups of their own gender

As bad as it sounds, I actually agree with this.

That's not to say men and women can't do the same jobs. It's just that having the opposite sex around is distracting, both genders have to watch what they say around the other gender.

I've never struggled with it dude.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Having worked in various restaurants, one of the most common instances of employees being off-task are a result of co-workers playing grab ass with each other. And actually, playing grab ass with your co-workers is a lot of fun. That's why I think men and women should continue working together...so that I can keep having sex with my co-workers. Some things are more important than productivity.

If I were running a restaurant and was fixated on profits, I can't imagine hiring only male servers. Women are going to get much bigger tips cause they can woo far easier. And I did have a coworker who used to "play sex" with my senior chef. It was hilarious.
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Romulox28 posted...

TC deliberately posts this video at a certain point so you dont see the context.

JP says "it's not easy to solve complicated problems, and ready-made ideological solutions don't work, it just makes it worse"

and the interviewer challenges him by saying "that's just a maxim, you're not actually addressing the question"

then JP questions him on a pretty common question that we don't even think about, which is relations between men & women in the workplace. JP says that women in the workforce is a pretty new thing and so far there have been lots of problems, and continues to challenge the guy on stuff that we basically just accept without thinking, like letting women wear makeup/high heels/etc in the office. this is really more of a thought experiment than anything, and i think he is being deliberately inflammatory here.

however my problem with JP is that he gets way too into the evolutionary angle of shit (i.e. "women paint their lips red because it simulates flush lips during sexual arousal"), which i feel makes him pretty detached from reality. in this case, it is that the action of putting on lipstick has evolved past being a primal practice to having a different meaning altogether, and honestly for a lot of men, lipstick isn't even sexually appealing, so it's hard to say that a woman putting on lipstick is subconsciously making herself more sexually presentable. I like JP but i think he is up his own ass way too much, he takes arguments like this into the real world that dont really have any place there

Pretty well said.
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