Current Events > Trump administration wants to dictate what kind of food poor people eat

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Perhaps I'm not remembering Michelle Obama's program accurately, but I don't see how it's related to this at all. At most schools across the nation, you already don't "get a choice" of what school lunch you eat (or you choose between a limited number of options). Changing those options to be healthier isn't restricting what people can eat any more than they already were.
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it's not related at all, people are just trying to make false equivalence
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cerealbox760 posted...

The package was described in the budget as consisting of "shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit and vegetables." The boxes would not include fresh fruits or vegetables.




Great. None of that is healthy besides the veggies. You might aswell let people buy mcdonalds.

Cereal is healthy as long as you fortified low sugar stuff like cheerios or corn flakes.

Peanut butter is healthy in moderation. Gives you a bit of fiber, protein, vitamin E etc.

I do think there should be some way to limit or nudge people on food stamps towards healthier choices especially if the government wants to pay for health care.

Perhaps they could track what you buy with SNAP and if a certain percent of your purchases are healthy you get a "bonus"
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Man I don't get how someone can defend such an obviously stupid idea that is also so open to graft and favoritism in contracting
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voldothegr8 posted...

Doe posted...

"some people abuse a system so let's Fuck with everyone who uses that system"

One bad apple ruins the bunch.

Except food stamp fraud is literally non existent
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Balrog0 posted...

also so open to graft and favoritism in contracting

if i were capable of love, i would love you for your insight. brilliant observation.

frequently i notice you catching these sorts of things that i don't think about

it is appreciated
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Food stamp fraud definitely exists. It is a mostly separate issue from whether or not people use their SNAP benefits 'well' though
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Trump bringing back the government cheese

M_Live posted...

Capn Circus posted...

This will help prevent abuse. I've seen it many times where people use foodstamps to buy $30 prime steak packages and other delicacies that are unnecessary for survival.

How is that abuse? And I truly doubt you've seen that kind of shit "many times" anyway. Why do people always have to make up anecdotal lies to shame people on food stamps?

Like I said, all these posters who make this claim fall into the same damn category as each other.
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Darkman124 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

also so open to graft and favoritism in contracting

if i were capable of love, i would love you for your insight. brilliant observation.

frequently i notice you catching these sorts of things that i don't think about

it is appreciated

Gotta agree there.
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If you guys are so mad about food stamp recipients being able to buy name brand goods then why don't you boycott those name brands?

They're the ones who lobbied for it in the first place. And I'm sure it's no surprise which political affiliation most corporations hold.

Show some conviction.

For the record I don't believe you should be able to buy soda with food stamps. IIRC you can't in some states.
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Sorry but buying only just bread, butter, fruits and milk with SNAP cards isnt really helping. You do realize that its really boring and repetitive to just buy just bread and milk every time when using SNAP cards? You know how dull that gets?

Its not gonna kill ya to splurge once in awhile getting some stuff different for a change like a 12 pack of pop or something.

Not everyone can live off of bread, butter and milk every frikkin time.

pikachupwnage posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

The package was described in the budget as consisting of "shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit and vegetables." The boxes would not include fresh fruits or vegetables.




Great. None of that is healthy besides the veggies. You might aswell let people buy mcdonalds.

Cereal is healthy as long as you fortified low sugar stuff like cheerios or corn flakes.

Peanut butter is healthy in moderation. Gives you a bit of fiber, protein, vitamin E etc.

I do think there should be some way to limit or nudge people on food stamps towards healthier choices especially if the government wants to pay for health care.

Perhaps they could track what you buy with SNAP and if a certain percent of your purchases are healthy you get a "bonus"

Cheerios are fucking garbage lol. And I don't even mean taste-wise.
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Im not saying or hinting at that you should buy a 12 pack of pop/soda all the time, just once in awhile instead of wasting SNAP on just bread and milk and fruits.

One time I saw someone buying around 20 bags of $2 marshmallows with their food stamps.

I'm not arguing about this in any way. I'm merely stating something I saw once.
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Don't a significant number of a food stamp recipients sell their food stamps for drugs like crack? This should help that right?
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thelovefist posted...

Don't a significant number of a food stamp recipients sell their food stamps for drugs like crack? This should help that right?

this doesn't happen as often as you'd think because, surprisingly, poor people actually like the ability to buy food tax free
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you a damn lair and troublemaker, Thelovefist.

thelovefist posted...

Don't a significant number of a food stamp recipients sell their food stamps for drugs like crack?

Yes
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John_Galt posted...

thelovefist posted...

Don't a significant number of a food stamp recipients sell their food stamps for drugs like crack?

Yes

be

less

obvious
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I work retail. Many times people use food stamps to buy food products then return them to get cash. And they sure get pissed off whenever the refund goes back to their EBT card.

They always have a rude ghetto attitude and half the time theyre dressed expensive and their ride looks expensive. Sure dont look like theyre strapped for cash.

Not all, not most, but a lot.
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iPhone_7 posted...

their ride looks expensive.

too obvious
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Liberals cheered for Michelle Obama's lunch program. They cheered for soda taxes in liberal states. Oh, but now they can't stand the fact that people's snap benefits are going to be more restricted?

I don't care, I'll support this just to piss off all of the liberals who would be praising this if Obama did it.

Who cheered for any of that? I know very few conservatives but, I don't know anyone who wanted those things.
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Darkman124 posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

their ride looks expensive.

too obvious

Right after throwing a fit theyll walk to their car while still yelling for the world to hear. Its fun to watch.
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creativerealms posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Liberals cheered for Michelle Obama's lunch program. They cheered for soda taxes in liberal states. Oh, but now they can't stand the fact that people's snap benefits are going to be more restricted?

I don't care, I'll support this just to piss off all of the liberals who would be praising this if Obama did it.

But school lunch is nothing new so why not make it healthier? Sadly since they can't force kids to eat all it did was lead to vegetables being thrown out. Of course people like you want to blame Obama for the isolated incidents where a school took away a kids lunch and replaced it with a school lunch to demonize her.

Supporting something just to piss others off is petty. Really people that do that need to grow up. There are immature people on the left and the right doing that when working together would actually solve problems.

Oh I live in the Chicago land area. There was no cheating for the soda tax. It was despised almost universally from day one. You had week ad campaigns saying how it was good for kids health while every Chicago news station was just waiting for it to end with no one thinking it was a good idea. Plus living in northwest Indiana as I did local stores had signs saying we had no soda tax advertising for people from Illinois to shop there. Clearly your hatred of the left has blinded you.

It's as though people like that don't even know the left or what the left is...
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Seems fair to me. You don't need Pepsi, pizzas and sandwiches to go, crap I've watched people load up 90 dollars worth of beef jerky and candy then swipe that food card.
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ChainedRedone posted...

@cerealbox760 posted...

The package was described in the budget as consisting of "shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit and vegetables." The boxes would not include fresh fruits or vegetables.




Great. None of that is healthy besides the veggies. You might aswell let people buy mcdonalds.

What's your definition of healthy? Iceberg lettuce? Fuck outta here.

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DifferentialEquation posted...

fire_bolt posted...

Yeah, I once checked out a woman who bought literally $200 worth of Mountain Dew with food stamps. She was so far she was riding in an electric motorized shopping cart and her daughter (who looked maybe 10 and was also obese just not morbidly so) was pushing a cart overflowing with Mountain Dew.

Not saying Trump's plan is right but there needs to be SOME overhaul of the SNAP program. I'm all for allowing people dietary choice but it needs to be used expressly for healthy choices, not literal junk. The model WIC uses is a good example of nutrition supplement done right

Liberals wouldn't tolerate any such restrictions. Enacting an extra, punitive tax that affects people who buy soda or junk food with their own money? Completely acceptable. Placing restrictions on what people can buy with government benefits? Completely unacceptable.

You just described almost nobody...
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iPhone_7 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

their ride looks expensive.

too obvious

Right after throwing a fit theyll walk to their car while still yelling for the world to hear. Its fun to watch.

Most retail workers follow every customer to their cars to see how nice they are. There's no need to make up bullshit. People don't try to return food for cash maybe it's happened a few times but it isn't as rampant as you make it sound.

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

The package was described in the budget as consisting of "shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit and vegetables." The boxes would not include fresh fruits or vegetables.




Great. None of that is healthy besides the veggies. You might aswell let people buy mcdonalds.

Omg do you people seriously lack basic nutritional knowledge. Literally the only thing there that could be considered bad by some is the milk. I imagine they aren't sending out fruit loops.

The milk is like one of the better things in there nutrition wise. Cold cereal and pasta is junk and is likely to be half the box. Things like chips, soda, and cookies should be banned from being purchases with SNAP funds.
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As the old saying goes: beggars can't be choosers. I've thought such a program would be a good idea, not just to limit abuse, but to encourage nutrition in a world where the cheapest meals in the store as mini TV dinners and ramen loaded with salt and preservatives without a vegetable in sight. Unless he gets really good deals at the wholesale level it probably won't be a cash savings, but I can see the push to combat what he sees as a culture too accustomed to the system to seek [better] employment.

And the fact Trump causes knee jerk reactions aside, one thing the left hates is when someone wants to stop just handing money to the poor hoping they'll get their lives together eventually, but rather takes a firm hand to correct the mistakes and behaviors that led to needing assistance in the first place. So naturally they fight this because while it's rooted in good budgetary ideas (less junk food, generic brands), how dare someone control them. The government's job is to cover for all our mistakes until everything starts going good for us after all with no cost to us that need it.

And then they wonder why those working jobs see them as leeches.
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Balrog0 posted...

this doesn't happen as often as you'd think because, surprisingly, poor people actually like the ability to buy food tax free

Funny thing about crack and heroin, you don't tend to get hungry that much when you do it.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Even if you agree with the idea that food stamps should be restricted to healthy food, you should still think this idea is moronic. In what universe does buying, shipping, stocking, and dispensing a monthly box of food to every single SNAP recipient end up costing the taxpayers less money? Where would you even keep/dispense this food? I've never heard of a nationalized food bank in this country. If there are, there sure aren't enough around for it to be convenient (or even possible) for every recipient to go there, so that'd probably necessitate buying/building new facilities.

And on a more political side, Republicans should be very, very worried if this idea goes through. It will most assuredly piss off ever single person on food stamps in the entire country.

This, cracking down on abuse is great but this suppose proposal is only more damaging in the long run. It's just like when democrats think that gun control is somehow going to stop mass shootings, yes we do have a gun problem but what you're proposing isn't going to solve it.
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Prestoff posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Even if you agree with the idea that food stamps should be restricted to healthy food, you should still think this idea is moronic. In what universe does buying, shipping, stocking, and dispensing a monthly box of food to every single SNAP recipient end up costing the taxpayers less money? Where would you even keep/dispense this food? I've never heard of a nationalized food bank in this country. If there are, there sure aren't enough around for it to be convenient (or even possible) for every recipient to go there, so that'd probably necessitate buying/building new facilities.

And on a more political side, Republicans should be very, very worried if this idea goes through. It will most assuredly piss off ever single person on food stamps in the entire country.

This, cracking down on abuse is great but this suppose proposal is only more damaging in the long run. It's just like when democrats think that gun control is somehow going to stop mass shootings, yes we do have a gun problem but what you're proposing isn't going to solve it.

There's a lot of ways to streamline and improve everything over time. For example, gardening is still a thing. In many cases, the recipients could be given seed packets in place of boxes/cans of food. Seed packets would cost very little to ship and would be a negligible burden to our existing postal system.
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Metro2 posted...

The USDA believes that state governments will be able to deliver this food at much less cost than SNAP recipients currently pay for food at retail stores thus reducing the overall cost of the SNAP program by $129 billion over the next 10 years.

Sounds like a good thing. They're still being provided with food (maybe even more nutritious food) to help them out and remember this just applies to half of their benefits. The other half they can still pick and choose.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

There's a lot of ways to streamline and improve everything over time.

doesnt matter if it costs an arm&leg before then.
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37 dollars a year is what they take out of our taxes for SNAP. That equals about 70 cents out of your weekly paycheck. Some folks abuse the system sure, but this program also saves lives and the GOP should leave it alone.

This administration is trying to turn being poor (aka not being born into a rich family like most of these cowards) into a crime and its disgusting.
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ShotOJameson posted...

This administration is trying to turn being poor (aka not being born into a rich family like most of these cowards) into a crime and its disgusting.

How?
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Man. Who knew Trump was such a dirty liberal commie fascist?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

the recipients could be given seed packets in place of boxes/cans of food.

hahahahahah

WHAT
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southcoast09 posted...

As things are, the government is paying for people to eat name brand snacks. There is often no limit on what you can buy with the snap card, so long as its from a legit store. Youve got taxpayers buying store brand while welfare recipients are buying namebrand. That doesnt add up, so we need change.

Are you mad that they are aren't eating healthy, or that they are doing it with taxpayer money? Cause this won't change either, in fact, It'll cost more money. You Trumpeters really take the cake. MMM, cake!
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mustachedmystic posted...

Cause this won't change either, in fact, It'll cost more money.

How is that again?
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Unless I read this wrong, the'll go from handing out money, to sourcing/procuring and distributing food(or paying someone else to do it). How wouldn't it cost more?
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CaptainCrunch posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

the recipients could be given seed packets in place of boxes/cans of food.

hahahahahah

WHAT

You don't think it's a good idea? I mean, it's a start, but in time, enough money would be saved that they could start including livestock to raise in addition to seeds to plant. That would be the ideal system imo.
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gp1829 posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Darkman124 posted...
Right after throwing a fit theyll walk to their car while still yelling for the world to hear. Its fun to watch.

Most retail workers follow every customer to their cars to see how nice they are. There's no need to make up bullshit. People don't try to return food for cash maybe it's happened a few times but it isn't as rampant as you make it sound.

I never said anything about following. Its a wide partial glass entrance so its easy to see the parking lot below and the times weve watched them go is usually when theyve thrown such a fit it got close to having to call 911. And lol at maybe a few times, believe what you want if it upsets you so much.
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Certain groups, despite using SNAP and similar programs in huge numbers, will nevertheless support this because they've been easily conned into thinking people who don't look like them abuse the system
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mustachedmystic posted...

Unless I read this wrong, the'll go from handing out money, to sourcing/procuring and distributing food(or paying someone else to do it). How wouldn't it cost more?

Would it not create jobs? If jobs are created it really is not a big deal.
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