Current Events > What is the conservative explanation for why we have so many shootings

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while countries with stricter regulations/standard of ownership have virtually none by comparison?

Im actually curious.
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Mental illness
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They just blame mental illness and claim police need more power to take people who exhibit such thoughts and force them into mental health facilities.
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Mental illness, combined with a culture that isn't exactly great at creating people strong enough to deal with life's bull shit.
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Isnt mental illness a thing everywhere?
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Isnt mental illness a thing everywhere?

don't destroy the narrative

The country is basically fucked and never getting better. Thanks, greed.
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So then they elect mentally ill politicians?
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Personal choices
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The gays and abortions.
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And the strategy to help the increased mental illness?

Definitely isn't a change in health care or improved access to mental health support.
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conservatives: we need to focus more on treating and helping those with mental health issues

also conservatives: hahahaha you're a boy and you think you're a girl? sorry pal, if you got a dick you'd better learn to deal, im not going to deny REALITY to call you a different pronoun!
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Romulox28 posted...

conservatives: we need to focus more on treating and helping those with mental health issues

also conservatives: hahahaha you're a boy and you think you're a girl? sorry pal, if you got a dick you'd better learn to deal, im not going to deny REALITY to call you a different pronoun!

Wanted to be the opposite sex is a mental illness lol
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How many of the shooters are ultra conservative? They really need to profile these types of people.
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CEs_EFG posted...

Romulox28 posted...

conservatives: we need to focus more on treating and helping those with mental health issues

also conservatives: hahahaha you're a boy and you think you're a girl? sorry pal, if you got a dick you'd better learn to deal, im not going to deny REALITY to call you a different pronoun!

Wanted to be the opposite sex is a mental illness lol

What is the conservative explanation for why we have so many shootings

modernity
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"the price for freedom"

I shit you not.
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How do liberal explain Switzerland, where every household is legally required to have a gun, yet has no mass shootings?
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P4wn4g3 posted...

How many of the shooters are ultra conservative? They really need to profile these types of people.

It amuses me how profiling is so universally bad and to be reviled by certain people, right up until it's people of a certain political ideology perceived as all being white by their opponents being profiled, at which point it becomes a great idea to them...
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Fishy posted...

How do liberal explain Switzerland, where every household is legally required to have a gun, yet has no mass shootings?

WTF? They have mandatory military service, but not that.
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psychologist on fox was blaming video games
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VectorChaos posted...

It amuses me how profiling is so universally bad and to be reviled by certain people, right up until it's people of a certain political ideology perceived as all being white by their opponents being profiled, at which point it becomes a great idea to them...

Most liberals who say things like this are mostly pointing out that profiling is ridiculous as a concept.

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

WTF? They have mandatory military service, but not that.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912

All healthy Swiss men aged between 18 and 34 are obliged to do military service and all are issued with assault rifles or pistols which they are supposed to keep at home.

According to the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey, there are about 89 civilian-owned guns for every 100 people who live in the United States. Switzerland ranks third in terms of gun ownership, the Survey estimates, with 3.4 million guns among its population of nearly eight million.

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Asherlee10 posted...

I am not understanding the flaw in boiling down extremely violent behavior to mental illness and some cultural issues.

Sure, but other countries have people with mental illness.
That's the problem. Canada has quite a few guns and they don't have nearly as many shootings as we do.
Obviously there's something here, and you bring up cultural issues but we need to address what those are and how we can prevent gun crime.

As it stands right now, we're leading the western world in this and every time we have another massacre, nothing happens.
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prince_leo posted...

psychologist on fox was blaming video games

what year is this
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prince_leo posted...

psychologist on fox was blaming video games

The same people who thought Mass Effect was solely designed to be an 'alien sex simulator' to corrupt our youth also think a video game made someone pick up a gun and kill people

Color me shocked
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Kinda sad how CE's first thought when there's a mass shooting is to spin the narrative in a favorable way for their party and an unfavorable way for the other party. Stay classy, guys.

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not enough thoughts and prayers.
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Fishy posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

WTF? They have mandatory military service, but not that.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912

All healthy Swiss men aged between 18 and 34 are obliged to do military service and all are issued with assault rifles or pistols which they are supposed to keep at home.

According to the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey, there are about 89 civilian-owned guns for every 100 people who live in the United States. Switzerland ranks third in terms of gun ownership, the Survey estimates, with 3.4 million guns among its population of nearly eight million.

That goes to show you that ownership itself is less of the problem than how they are acquired.

I got a gun after military training is so vastly different than I bought a gun at Walmart.
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Hinakuluiau posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Kinda sad how CE's first thought when there's a mass shooting is to spin the narrative in a favorable way for their party and an unfavorable way for the other party. Stay classy, guys.

And this refutes what I said in what way?

Not a refute. You're at step five
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Asherlee10 posted...

This may be going out on a limb, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a kid like the one yesterday ramming his mom's minivan through the courtyard at school to mow people down if we all had very limited access to firearms. This kid and the others were going to commit an act of violence with or without a firearm.

We can of course only speculate. I would be inclined to partially agree. Ease of access to the means of murder is definitely a crucial part of the equation. Other parts that I think shouldn't be ignored are the the country's collective attitude towards firearms, and towards violence. Of course gun legislation could have an effect on those, in the long term.
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Not a refute. You're at step five

Uh, no. This topic is clearly shitposting. You know this. I know this. Everyone knows this. Linking a ridiculous meme image in an attempt to devalue any criticism of the shitposting is just pathetic. In what universe does tossing out "lol conservatives r dum" lead to serious discussion about the politics of anything? It doesn't.

Why do you guys keep pulling this shit?
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I asked a question in the OP and havent really gotten an answer yet. If thats shitposting then okay
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JustMyOpinion posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Hinakuluiau posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Kinda sad how CE's first thought when there's a mass shooting is to spin the narrative in a favorable way for their party and an unfavorable way for the other party. Stay classy, guys.

And this refutes what I said in what way?

Not a refute. You're at step five

Well I suppose that depends on what you mean by "politicize".

Jebus.. you're doing step 2 and 3 with the word politicize.
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No prayer in school.
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VectorChaos posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

How many of the shooters are ultra conservative? They really need to profile these types of people.

It amuses me how profiling is so universally bad and to be reviled by certain people, right up until it's people of a certain political ideology perceived as all being white by their opponents being profiled, at which point it becomes a great idea to them...

I mean profiling as the police do. It would be easy to enstate a new rule and expire everyone's gun permits.

Asherlee10 posted...

Hinakuluiau posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I am not understanding the flaw in boiling down extremely violent behavior to mental illness and some cultural issues.

Sure, but other countries have people with mental illness.
That's the problem. Canada has quite a few guns and they don't have nearly as many shootings as we do.
Obviously there's something here, and you bring up cultural issues but we need to address what those are and how we can prevent gun crime.

As it stands right now, we're leading the western world in this and every time we have another massacre, nothing happens.

I think what is noteworthy is that the U.S. has a higher prevalence than any other developed nation (quick source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030507080958.htm) and treat fewer people. It's a double whammy.

We are a severely crippled nation in terms of mental health and we refuse to treat it properly. You combine that with some poor cultural values and issues and it seems like a formula to produce such violence like this.

I think the cultural issues go hand in hand with the mental issues. For instance, we see that it's usually these young kids coming from very similar environments and have very similar belief sets. Little feeling of power, depression, rejection without coping techniques, etc.

This may be going out on a limb, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a kid like the one yesterday ramming his mom's minivan through the courtyard at school to mow people down if we all had very limited access to firearms. This kid and the others were going to commit an act of violence with or without a firearm.

The conservative way in America is to never admit there is such a thing as mental illness unless it turns out to be a convenient excuse, which is a deep flaw in their thinking. "Gun violence? Man we just have all these crazy people. Homeless people, crazy politicians, working people with mental disorders, birth defects, cults? There is no such thing as mental sickness." Other countries that admit that this problem is just part if humanity do much better naturally because they can treat their I'll and make them functioning parts of society. Not America though, we want to keep out elite upper crust and force the rest into a third world way of life.
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Kineth posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Hinakuluiau posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Kinda sad how CE's first thought when there's a mass shooting is to spin the narrative in a favorable way for their party and an unfavorable way for the other party. Stay classy, guys.

And this refutes what I said in what way?

Not a refute. You're at step five

Well I suppose that depends on what you mean by "politicize".

Jebus.. you're doing step 2 and 3 with the word politicize.

Jebus.. I'm arguing the exact opposite of step 5 as I said it is time for discussion and seeing as politicize means making something political I don't see why being very clear on what I mean warrants a "Jebus". Do you find any actual fault with what I said or are you just looking for opportunities to show you're inexplicably buttmad whenever you see me post?

You're right that I don't like you, but that has nothing to do with you literally trying to play semantics on the the word 'politicize'.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Isnt mental illness a thing everywhere?

It is much, much more common in North America than in other places. I do not know the reasons why, but there have been many studies showing this.
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Satan
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I'm sorry that you have a hard time reading and are also mad, yourself.
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break down of societal norms? which actually isn't a bad explanation
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