Current Events > "if only schools had armed guards!"

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My school had two armed police officers on site daily, they had their own office on site with a gun locker containing AR15's for emergencies. The police station was a block away from the school.

Yet we still had two instances of gun violence in 8 years, one while I was there.

Armed guards won't deter someone who is determined.

Edit: we also had metal detectors at all entrances.
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So what you're saying is that it was a pointless waste of money because shit still happened with them there?
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pres_madagascar posted...

Yet we still had two instances of gun violence in 8 years, one while I was there.

Cool. There would have been twice as many incidents if there were no guards. Armed personal deter killers.
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iClockwork posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Yet we still had two instances of gun violence in 8 years, one while I was there.

Cool. There would have been twice as many incidents if there were no guards. Armed personal deter killers.

Gang related people don't care about cops lol.

Counundrum posted...

So what you're saying is that it was a pointless waste of money because shit still happened with them there?

They started putting them there when columbine happened.
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Oh so 17 people were killed, withh 15 more injured at your school too?

I'm not saying armed guards would 100% prevent a guy like that getting in the school, but perhaps those numbers would be less.
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DoubleDare posted...

Oh so 17 people were killed, withh 15 more injured at your school too?

I'm not saying armed guards would 100% prevent a guy like that getting in the school, but perhaps those numbers would be less.

Depends on size of the school, population, and how clustered people are together.
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M_Live posted...

I still don't understand how introducing more guns to a panicked situation like that can do anything but cause more harm. Like, it seems very obvious to me why it's a terrible idea, but idk, conservatives feel really strongly about this one. More bullets flying around when people are cramped together, running, hiding, screaming, like that's just going to add more chaos, more confusion, and danger. More likely that more people will get hurt.

Imagine two panicked people shooting at each other while people are caught in the crossfire.
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This clown doesn't know shit about gangs lol

showtimelakers posted...

This clown doesn't know shit about gangs lol

I went to school in North st. Louis, homie. Try again.
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So 3D print a gun, kill one of the guards when they not expecting it, take their guns and keys and suddenly you got yourself a couple of AR15 to pay and spray at classroom doors when you run down the corridor, sounds easy enough if you are prepared to die.
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Unless you're in one you don't know shit. They don't go around telling neckbeards like you how they program lmao

showtimelakers posted...

Unless you're in one you don't know shit. They don't go around telling neckbeards like you how they program lmao

Not a Neckbeard, but try again.
And considering I used to run drugs for a gang for money... And was friends with people in it, Pretty sure I know shit.
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Lmao which gang is this I literally live and grew up with the NF and northerners funkin with southsiders aka ms13 literally the most violent and militaristic in their program. Also if you've never been locked up and programmed around them you don't know shit trust me

showtimelakers posted...

Lmao which gang is this I literally live and grew up with the NF and northerners funkin with southsiders aka ms13 literally the most violent and militaristic in their program. Also if you've never been locked up and programmed around them you don't know shit trust me

Not Latino gang, black one. Been shot at too.

I ain't been locked up because I was smart enough(lucky enough) to not get caught. One of my two best friends growing up was in that gang and got killed. I wasn't in a gang. Had no intention of it. Saw too many people I knew get killed. All I'd do is go out to the farm for them and get trash bags full of weed from their grower and bring it back into the city. I was white so less likely to be pulled over, they were all black. My other best friend from my youth is serving 24 years currently. You trying to act hard and try to one up me over some shit like this, without knowing me whatsoever, jsut makes you look petty.

I came from nothing and have made something of myself. I got away from that shit. Left the state entirely. I live on my own now, and don't have to deal with that shit anymore.
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showtimelakers posted...

Lmao which gang is this I literally live and grew up with the NF and northerners funkin with southsiders aka ms13 literally the most violent and militaristic in their program. Also if you've never been locked up and programmed around them you don't know shit trust me

That's not entirely true. While it obviously depends on a location and a lot of other shit I know affiliates that got far closer than you'd think.

Around here shit was common as fuck depending on the circles you frequent. NLR and AB operate outside of prison as you must well know.

I agree with the rest aside from the lockup requirement though. It's absolutely a different level if you are/have been locked up though.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

showtimelakers posted...

Lmao which gang is this I literally live and grew up with the NF and northerners funkin with southsiders aka ms13 literally the most violent and militaristic in their program. Also if you've never been locked up and programmed around them you don't know shit trust me

That's not entirely true. While it obviously depends on a location and a lot of other shit I know affiliates that got far closer than you'd think.

Around here shit was common as fuck depending on the circles you frequent. NLR and AB operate outside of prison as you must well know.

I agree with the rest aside from the lockup requirement though. It's absolutely a different level if you are/have been locked up though.

Yeah like I said, I wasn't in, nor never wanted to be in, that gang. I was just friends with several of them, and so I was always with them and they trusted me, and I did some work for them that I mentioned earlier. Just mule work, nothing violent. They paid me per trip. It's how I got all my video game systems and shit when I was in school >_>
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For reference: I grew up 3 miles from Ferguson Missouri. Right in between Berkeley and Kinloch and Jennings.

Anyone from st. Louis will instantly know what I'm talking about.
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Anecdotal I know but if the schools I went to had armed guards or teachers with guns, people would have died.

Some of the kids used to drive the staff insane and some of the teachers were unstable.

One of the teachers got harrased and ended up being thrown down a flight of stairs (she was female BTW)

Another foreign teacher used to snap and beat children with sticks (she was fired)

Students used to get in fights, break into places (including after school was closed) and just generally be asswipes.

There would have been deaths and injuries. I cannot for the life of me see it working.

I also had metal dectectors too by the way and they didn't do a thing to stop people bringing things in. So I kinda laugh at anyone who supports them.
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M_Live posted...

I still don't understand how introducing more guns to a panicked situation like that can do anything but cause more harm. Like, it seems very obvious to me why it's a terrible idea, but idk, conservatives feel really strongly about this one. More bullets flying around when people are cramped together, running, hiding, screaming, like that's just going to add more chaos, more confusion, and danger. More likely that more people will get hurt.

Its not introducing more guns, its introducing TRAINED gun users.

That said, the issue is NOT guns, its mental illness.
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So because you picked up a lil tree for them you were laced up on how they function lmao gtfoh.
I just brought up the locked up part because if you so games up you should know any serious gang shot callers call shots from prison. Out here everything pretty much gets ran from inside the pelican bay shoe where they keep all validated high ranking gang members.

Don't get me wrong, I know exactly what you mean.

I only said my part because most people don't know shit about what goes on above them anyways. The hierarchy is real.
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showtimelakers posted...

So because you picked up a lil tree for them you were laced up on how they function lmao gtfoh.
I just brought up the locked up part because if you so games up you should know any serious gang shot callers call shots from prison. Out here everything pretty much gets ran from inside the pelican bay shoe where they keep all validated high ranking gang members.

"lil tree"
>trash bags full
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For reference, it was the north side bloods I was friends with.
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I think having armed guards would probably help a little, like prevent 1 or 2 deaths. But I don't see it preventing a catastrophe from happening. Just deescalating it quicker.
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Maybe the occasional mass shooting is something we as a society have to accept as inevitable for having permissive gun ownership laws.
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"If only the school had armed guards." sounds like an argument that has some merit whereas "If only the AR-15 had been banned." has none.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

"If only the school had armed guards." sounds like an argument that has some merit whereas "If only the AR-15 had been banned." has none.

It's a hell of a lot harder to get a high body count with a pistol and a shotgun than it is with a 45 round per minute .323 Assault style rifle.
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Foppe posted...

So 3D print a gun, kill one of the guards when they not expecting it, take their guns and keys and suddenly you got yourself a couple of AR15 to pay and spray at classroom doors when you run down the corridor, sounds easy enough if you are prepared to die.

These are literally the arguments from the left

This is why no one takes your side seriously. Jesus Christ...
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Jesus, you're right. Get rid if the guards
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"a gun ban won't deter somebody determined to kill!"

"armed guards will completely deter somebody determined to kill!"
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pres_madagascar posted...

My school had two armed police officers on site daily, they had their own office on site with a gun locker containing AR15's for emergencies. The police station was a block away from the school.

Yet we still had two instances of gun violence in 8 years, one while I was there.

Armed guards won't deter someone who is determined.

Edit: we also had metal detectors at all entrances.

Gonna need a source
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We cant stop drugs or people coming into the country but dammit we can stop guns!!

Also what about all the guns already owned?

No one has answers for these statements
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GregShmedley posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

"a gun ban won't deter somebody determined to kill!"

"armed guards will completely deter somebody determined to kill!"

So are you implying guns make people kill?

I feel if I were one of those weird right wing Jordan Peterson cultists I would post that meme about "oh so you're saying kill all vegans" or w/e here
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pres_madagascar posted...

Armed guards won't deter someone who is determined.

do you believe they deter those slightly less than determined?
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GregShmedley posted...

That doesn't answer my question.

Do I think guns literally control the person using them and aim and fire at others completely independently? No obviously not.

Do I think easily available weapons of death and the ensuing violent, paranoid culture around them contributes to mass killings like this? Yes because I am not a blinkered idiot.
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Guess what kind of gun the VT shooter used.... 2 pistols....he killed over 30 people.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

GregShmedley posted...

That doesn't answer my question.

Do I think guns literally control the person using them and aim and fire at others completely independently? No obviously not.

Do I think easily available weapons of death and the ensuing violent, paranoid culture around them contributes to mass killings like this? Yes because I am not a blinkered idiot.

I beg to differ
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GregShmedley posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

GregShmedley posted...

That doesn't answer my question.

Do I think guns literally control the person using them and aim and fire at others completely independently? No obviously not.

Do I think easily available weapons of death and the ensuing violent, paranoid culture around them contributes to mass killings like this? Yes because I am not a blinkered idiot.

This plays a bigger role than you give credit for. Why not figure out why people commit these and proactively prevent or combat them that doesn't including restricting rights of law abiding citizens?

Maybe its all the glorified violence we see and play due to our1st amendment rights...
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pres_madagascar posted...

I ain't been locked up because I was smart enough(lucky enough) to not get caught. One of my two best friends growing up was in that gang and got killed. I wasn't in a gang. Had no intention of it. Saw too many people I knew get killed. All I'd do is go out to the farm for them and get trash bags full of weed from their grower and bring it back into the city. I was white so less likely to be pulled over, they were all black. My other best friend from my youth is serving 24 years currently. You trying to act hard and try to one up me over some shit like this, without knowing me whatsoever, jsut makes you look petty.

This is the worst fictional story i've ever seen on a message board and that's including all the years i've spent on the 2+2 forums.

You should feel bad for even attempting to pass this off as true.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

"a gun ban won't deter somebody determined to kill!"

"armed guards will completely deter somebody determined to kill!"

Armed guards wont necessarily deter someone... but they can stop someone.
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iClockwork posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Yet we still had two instances of gun violence in 8 years, one while I was there.

Cool. There would have been twice as many incidents if there were no guards. Armed personal deter killers.

so does gun control
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