Current Events > Well, we finally did it, guys. Got to the bottom of these mass shootings.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2018/02/15/and-the-devil-smiled-n2449773%3famp=true
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Another American high school has been turned into a killing field. And the nation wonders why.

Well, Im going to answer that question for you. And the answer may leave you a bit unsettled.

You see - I believe there is a God -- but I also believe there is a Devil. And I see his hand at work here.

We've raised a generation to believe that truth is relative - that there is no right or wrong.

And the Devil smiled.

They kicked God out of public schools - banned Bibles and prayer.

And the Devil smiled.

We've destroyed the traditional family - broken homes raising broken kids

And the Devil smiled.

There are no consequences for bad behavior -- no personal responsibility.

And the Devil smiled.

Our movies and music and games glorify violence and gore. Relationships poisoned by pornography.

And the Devil smiled.

What happened in Parkland, Florida is about wickedness - a war with the forces of darkness - good versus evil.

Our land is wounded, her people suffering.

But we have turned our back on the One who promised to heal our Land.

The politicians and pundits would have you believe this is not about God - it's about politics and mental illness and gun control.

And the Devil smiled.
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Sure smiles a lot.
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The only thing worst about making things political is making things religious.
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The devil must have some really sore cheeks with all this stuff worth smiling over.
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The Devil smiled Burgessly.
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This topic is making him smile again
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Ivynn posted...

The Devil smiled Burgessly.

LOL
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Up
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This devil fellow sounds like a happy chap
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so...there is a god who is all powerful...and he let a psycho murder a bunch of people because the devil wanted it to happen...so is this guy saying the devil is more powerful than god?
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The thing to take away from this thread is

And the devil smiled
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Meanwhile, in the Eisenhower era:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States#1950s

DuranOfForcena posted...

>no personal responsibility
>the devil made him do it

seems legit

This is a really good point
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

The only thing worst about making things political is making things religious.

What's worse than this is absolutely refusing to do anything about the issue and shutting down anyone who tries to find a way to make a change so mass shootings stop.

What is it with conservatives absolute refusal to talk about gun control? It's like a trigger word for them. They just completely shut down any and all conversation.
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I love when they bring religion into it.
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and email chain meme

how wonderful
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Offworlder1 posted...

I love when they bring religion into it.

Jack Chick would be proud.

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

The only thing worst about making things political is making things religious.

What's worse than this is absolutely refusing to do anything about the issue and shutting down anyone who tries to find a way to make a change so mass shootings stop.

What is it with conservatives absolute refusal to talk about gun control? It's like a trigger word for them. They just completely shut down any and all conversation.

Its because they, almost to a man, have convinced themselves that giving an inch will automatically lead to taking a mile. I dont think, if they were being honest with themselves, many conservatives would truly despise a stricter background check or licensing process, or closing gun show loopholes. The issue is that they read that, but hear step one to a total government seizure of my weapons.

Should be noted that I dont really blame them for not implicitly trusting the government, but that said, with kids dying in schools as often as they are, I really dont understand the refusal to even entertain the conversation or come to the table.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

I dont think, if they were being honest with themselves, many conservatives would truly despise a stricter background check or licensing process.

How, exactly, would either of those have stopped Adam Lanza, or even Brynn Hartman?

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

The only thing worst about making things political is making things religious.

What's worse than this is absolutely refusing to do anything about the issue and shutting down anyone who tries to find a way to make a change so mass shootings stop.

What is it with conservatives absolute refusal to talk about gun control? It's like a trigger word for them. They just completely shut down any and all conversation.

Its because they, almost to a man, have convinced themselves that giving an inch will automatically lead to taking a mile. I dont think, if they were being honest with themselves, many conservatives would truly despise a stricter background check or licensing process, or closing gun show loopholes. The issue is that they read that, but hear step one to a total government seizure of my weapons.

Should be noted that I dont really blame them for not implicitly trusting the government, but that said, with kids dying in schools as often as they are, I really dont understand the refusal to even entertain the conversation or come to the table.

i have a much simpler explanation: they are scumbags
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

I dont think, if they were being honest with themselves, many conservatives would truly despise a stricter background check or licensing process.

How, exactly, would either of those have stopped Adam Lanza?

The it wouldnt have stopped every single mass shooting, therefore it is not worth discussing fallacy is so absurd that I dont even know where to begin.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

I dont think, if they were being honest with themselves, many conservatives would truly despise a stricter background check or licensing process.

How, exactly, would either of those have stopped Adam Lanza?

The it wouldnt have stopped every single mass shooting, therefore it is not worth discussing fallacy is so absurd that I dont even know where to begin.

Yes, but "that's just feel-good legislation that doesn't even begin do anything useful" is not.

Magazine size restrictions may save a life or two in the three seconds it takes to reload. A background check on the gun some punk stole from mom, does not

You know what, Ill try because I hate when people just shut me down out of hand.

@Questionmarktarius, the answer is that it probably wouldnt have. There is no law that can stop all of this outright. Its sad, but true. That said, there are laws that can either slow someone down or outright prevent SOME, and that is infinitely better than nothing. A lonely greasy haired kid, for example, is going to have a harder time getting one of these guns from a gang or the mob or what-have-you, and that can be a deterrent or lead them just using a knife for example, which is still awful but less swiftly destructive.

Preventative policies will never prevent outright, but if SOME gun violence is reduced by a policy that slightly inconveniences gun owners without actually taking anything away, is that not worth it?
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Preventative policies will never prevent outright, but if SOME gun violence is reduced a policy that slightly inconveniences gun owners without actually taking anything away, is that not worth it?

Better background checks isn't a terrible idea at all, but not for this reason.

Actually, it might have worked in this instance, had anyone bothered to enter "this guy is a violent lunatic" into the background check system.

I disagree. Youre 100% right several of these mass shooters wouldnt have been stopped by a background check or a stricter license process, would it not be worth it if even ONE of these sickos was stopped by even that slight delay? If ONE guy was feeling desperate, couldnt get his hands on a gun and wasnt patient enough to wait and either a) used a knife or b) tried to get a gun illegally and was busted?

To me, thats worth it if it saves one child.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Preventative policies will never prevent outright,

and this is the most important thing...for some reason when it comes to gun laws those against even CONSIDERING more regulations seem to think if it doesn't stop 100% of it it isn't worth it...no law prevents 100% of anything. we understand that some unfortunate circumstances will still exist. We created DUI laws because there was a problem with people driving drunk and hurting others....yet we still have DUIs everyday...does that mean we should eliminate the law? of course not because that law still prevents other cases. because of that law some people think twice before driving drunk...just because a few idiots still choose to break that law doesn't mean that it isn't a law worth having.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

If ONE guy was feeling desperate, couldnt get his hands on a gun and wasnt patient enough to wait and either a) used a knife or b) tried to get a gun illegally and was busted?

You know what... you're right.
Background checks should have stopped this guy, and Devin Kelley. Unfortunately, the background check system is only as good as the data entry on the other end.

If you're looking for me to say the issue is one-dimensional, I'm not gonna. But do you deny that simply limiting ease of access, not banning anything, would have potentially stopped a couple of these guys from doing as much damage as they did?
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

The only thing worst about making things political is making things religious.

^

Carlbertomfg posted...

The devil must have some really sore cheeks with all this stuff worth smiling over.

If only there were some sentient cups around to show him whats what
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

If you're looking for me to say the issue is one-dimensional, I'm not gonna. But do you deny that simply limiting ease of access, not banning anything, would have potentially stopped a couple of these guys from doing as much damage as they did?

They don't care. They need those guns to go hunting. They can't hunt deer with a bolt-action Remington 700. They need a Car-15 and fragmentation grenade to kill the deer.
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

If you're looking for me to say the issue is one-dimensional, I'm not gonna. But do you deny that simply limiting ease of access, not banning anything, would have potentially stopped a couple of these guys from doing as much damage as they did?

They don't care. They need those guns to go hunting. They can't hunt deer with a bolt-action Remington 700. They need a Car-15 and fragmentation grenade to kill the deer.

I'm not even interested in opening up the can of worms of "what kind of gun is necessary." That's a whole different thing.

I want to know why we can't even discuss not outlawing a single damn thing, but simply raising the bar to legally obtain one.
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every line saying "and the devil smiled" can be replaced by "and the rich politicians and corporate elite smiled" as they caused, intentionally and by design, every single countrywide issue mentioned in the OP.

Order out of chaos will be the explanation when this entire country is locked down someday.
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They have a point. Guns existed for more than 100 years now but mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon.

The change is the lack of morals.
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I don't agree with the overly religious angle, but I don't think he's wrong. This is a cultural problem.
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

They can't hunt deer with a bolt-action Remington 700.

12-guage slugs work better for that anyway.

MangaFan462 posted...

They have a point. Guns existed for more than 100 years now but mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon.

The change is the lack of morals.

I hate to be the guy to say it, but these shootings are bullshit, and we're lied to about them every single time.

People die, yes. People are killed, yes. The "lone gunman" narratives are fucking bullshit. I won't sit here and tell you who actually pulls the triggerS, but I'll tell you that this is all leading to a mass disarmament of the American people, so that our form of government, our system of laws, and our suburban way of life can eventually be entirely eliminated.

It is a very, very long, psychological process for the elites to get the public to willingly hand over their only form of defense against the inevitable chaotic future.
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MangaFan462 posted...

They have a point. Guns existed for more than 100 years now but mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon.

No. They aren't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#Historical_details
And that's just incidents in a school.

The first one on the list even predates the United States itself.

vicedungwinsgam posted...

MangaFan462 posted...

They have a point. Guns existed for more than 100 years now but mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon.

The change is the lack of morals.

I hate to be the guy to say it, but these shootings are bullshit, and we're lied to about them every single time.

People die, yes. People are killed, yes. The "lone gunman" narratives are fucking bullshit. I won't sit here and tell you who actually pulls the triggerS, but I'll tell you that this is all leading to a mass disarmament of the American people, so that our form of government, our system of laws, and our suburban way of life can eventually be entirely eliminated.

It is a very, very long, psychological process for the elites to get the public to willingly hand over their only form of defense against the inevitable chaotic future.

Before anyone responds to him seriously, also bear in mind this user thinks every single NFL game is rigged.
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The solution seems simple now

Ban the devil
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God doesnt sound very omnipotent.
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