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yemmy
02/18/18 5:23:20 PM
#51:


fortunately people's feelings don't trump our rights

especially Sinead O Connor
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:26:00 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
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Sparksfanboy posted...
This girl has more courage in her pinkie finger than all the people who voted for Trump combined.

yeah definately. it sure seems that the older generation has taken a "well theres nothing we can do" approach but for people who have lived with mass shootings their entire life, it's a fight they're willing to take up

She doesn't speak for the younger generation. There's a new wave/movement of young conservatives.

yup, ignorance, self-centeredness and stupidity has found its way to the youth of America but by and large most young people identify as Dem or independent. hell even libertarians have a bigger following than the Republicans (albeit the latter 2 arent a great deal different) but the Republican party is dead/dying

You may likely be right that more of the youth identify as Dem instead of Republican. I think there's truth in the cliche about people turning more conservative with age and wisdom. As far as Independents go, I'm independent and plan on staying that way and I voted Trump.

Anyway, the alt-right is ill-defined but it's largely a youth movement and the left-wing is plenty threatened by that youthful surge. It's bit of a change-up in the political landscape. The point is that, your personal opinions aside, this isn't an older generation vs younger generation struggle.
How many alt-right non-whites can you name? If you struggle to think of any then... you can understand why I don't see them as a legitimate voice of reason.
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tennisdude818
02/18/18 5:26:03 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
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I kinda like blaming mental health as the cause for shootings because anyone who says that's the real cause is basically saying america is severely more mentally damaged than the rest of the first world.


Weve resorted to treating every issue with psychotropic drugs, which may successfully control the primary issue, but creates new ones.

99.9% of people on medication never shoot up a place.


If SSRI drugs are a factor, this would be expected. Most people are "ok". Some small percentage want to kill themselves, and an even smaller percentage may hear voices telling them to go on a rampage.

Whatever the problem is, it's something that began impacting the country in the last 20 years or so.
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scorpion41
02/18/18 5:26:17 PM
#54:


gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.
Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?


The Bill of Rights havent been screwed with for good reason: it sets a dangerous precedent. Alter the second? Lets change the first. Okay, now lets alter the fifth. And with identity politics driving our country it would cause a cluster fuck every time the next majority comes in. Interpretation by justices on the Supreme Court is one thing, but a total change would be disastrous.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 5:28:56 PM
#55:


scorpion41 posted...
gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.
Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?


The Bill of Rights havent been screwed with for good reason: it sets a dangerous precedent. Alter the second? Lets change the first. Okay, now lets alter the fifth. And with identity politics driving our country it would cause a cluster fuck every time the next majority comes in. Interpretation by justices on the Supreme Court is one thing, but a total change would be disastrous.

My friend, the 2nd amendment was put into place because the U.S. did not have a standing army at the time. Now that we have one, you can see why it might not be necessary...
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tennisdude818
02/18/18 5:31:29 PM
#56:


gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.
Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?


The Bill of Rights havent been screwed with for good reason: it sets a dangerous precedent. Alter the second? Lets change the first. Okay, now lets alter the fifth. And with identity politics driving our country it would cause a cluster fuck every time the next majority comes in. Interpretation by justices on the Supreme Court is one thing, but a total change would be disastrous.

My friend, the 2nd amendment was put into place because the U.S. did not have a standing army at the time. Now that we have one, you can see why it might not be necessary...


There is a legal way to change the constitution.
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Shuto-uke
02/18/18 5:34:16 PM
#57:


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deupd_u
02/18/18 5:52:47 PM
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@6:05 "He wouldn't have harmed that many students with a knife"

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html

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Darmik
02/18/18 6:01:02 PM
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deupd_u posted...
@6:05 "He wouldn't have harmed that many students with a knife"

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html

*Curb Your Enthusiasm theme*


Murdering people in a care facility for the mentally disabled seems a bit different than going on a stabbing spree in a high school.
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scorpion41
02/18/18 6:11:34 PM
#61:


gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.
Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?


The Bill of Rights havent been screwed with for good reason: it sets a dangerous precedent. Alter the second? Lets change the first. Okay, now lets alter the fifth. And with identity politics driving our country it would cause a cluster fuck every time the next majority comes in. Interpretation by justices on the Supreme Court is one thing, but a total change would be disastrous.

My friend, the 2nd amendment was put into place because the U.S. did not have a standing army at the time. Now that we have one, you can see why it might not be necessary...


So after the US established a military, why didnt we just go ahead and ditch it?
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yemmy
02/18/18 6:39:28 PM
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Sparksfanboy posted...
tagging you two as usual suspects and discarding your opinions from now on.


wow I totally give a fuck
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gbpxl
02/18/18 6:44:09 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.
Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?


The Bill of Rights havent been screwed with for good reason: it sets a dangerous precedent. Alter the second? Lets change the first. Okay, now lets alter the fifth. And with identity politics driving our country it would cause a cluster fuck every time the next majority comes in. Interpretation by justices on the Supreme Court is one thing, but a total change would be disastrous.

My friend, the 2nd amendment was put into place because the U.S. did not have a standing army at the time. Now that we have one, you can see why it might not be necessary...


So after the US established a military, why didnt we just go ahead and ditch it?
I'm no historian so I'm not going to pretend to be able to answer that, I just know that the revolutionary war was fought between redcoats and militiamen who didn't even have a uniform. without the 2nd amendment in place, they may not have been able to fight the British army.
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Patchwork
02/18/18 6:45:23 PM
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He would've been able to hurt a lot of people with knives, a la Franklin Regional, but they'd have had a better chance at survival.
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gbpxl
02/18/18 6:47:33 PM
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Patchwork posted...
He would've been able to hurt a lot of people with knives, a la Franklin Regional, but they'd have had a better chance at survival.

yeah I just wikipedia'd that. 0 deaths.

lot easier to defend yourself against a knife attacker than someone firing bullets at you.
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Deadpool_18
02/18/18 6:53:16 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
Ok I forced myself to watch it. As expected (I guessed it as soon as I saw her shaven head), it's a far-left political activist rant almost entirely composed of emotional appeals expressing a general desire to ban guns and some prerequisite Trump bashing.


Oh look. Another deflection.
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Funbazooka
02/18/18 7:10:13 PM
#67:


gbpxl posted...
Funbazooka posted...
gbpxl posted...
Funbazooka posted...
gbpxl posted...
Sparksfanboy posted...
This girl has more courage in her pinkie finger than all the people who voted for Trump combined.

yeah definately. it sure seems that the older generation has taken a "well theres nothing we can do" approach but for people who have lived with mass shootings their entire life, it's a fight they're willing to take up

She doesn't speak for the younger generation. There's a new wave/movement of young conservatives.

yup, ignorance, self-centeredness and stupidity has found its way to the youth of America but by and large most young people identify as Dem or independent. hell even libertarians have a bigger following than the Republicans (albeit the latter 2 arent a great deal different) but the Republican party is dead/dying

You may likely be right that more of the youth identify as Dem instead of Republican. I think there's truth in the cliche about people turning more conservative with age and wisdom. As far as Independents go, I'm independent and plan on staying that way and I voted Trump.

Anyway, the alt-right is ill-defined but it's largely a youth movement and the left-wing is plenty threatened by that youthful surge. It's bit of a change-up in the political landscape. The point is that, your personal opinions aside, this isn't an older generation vs younger generation struggle.
How many alt-right non-whites can you name? If you struggle to think of any then... you can understand why I don't see them as a legitimate voice of reason.

They don't need them to effect change and influence, to be brutally honest.
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scorpion41
02/18/18 7:15:57 PM
#68:


gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
gbpxl posted...
scorpion41 posted...
You cant unless you restrict the 2A, unconstitutional, or have them consent to a medical background check.
Why do you act as if the Constitution is sacrosanct?


The Bill of Rights havent been screwed with for good reason: it sets a dangerous precedent. Alter the second? Lets change the first. Okay, now lets alter the fifth. And with identity politics driving our country it would cause a cluster fuck every time the next majority comes in. Interpretation by justices on the Supreme Court is one thing, but a total change would be disastrous.

My friend, the 2nd amendment was put into place because the U.S. did not have a standing army at the time. Now that we have one, you can see why it might not be necessary...


So after the US established a military, why didnt we just go ahead and ditch it?
I'm no historian so I'm not going to pretend to be able to answer that, I just know that the revolutionary war was fought between redcoats and militiamen who didn't even have a uniform. without the 2nd amendment in place, they may not have been able to fight the British army.


You do realize the Constitution was written after the war right? The second amendment did not apply to the Revolution...
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tennisdude818
02/18/18 7:46:27 PM
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Interesting difference in reaction from the MSM. A school shooting happens, and the MSM is very eager to give angry pro-gun control advocates a microphone. It's very important that the country has a serious discussion about gun control.

But when somebody drives a truck through a crowd of people, it's a time for sadness and changing Facebook profile pictures. It's certainly not time to give angry people the microphone to start a discussion about borders.
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hockeybub89
02/18/18 7:47:50 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Interesting difference in reaction from the MSM. A school shooting happens, and the MSM is very eager to give angry pro-gun control advocates a microphone. It's very important that the country has a serious discussion about gun control.

But when somebody drives a truck through a crowd of people, it's a time for sadness and changing Facebook profile pictures. It's certainly not time to give angry people the microphone to start a discussion about borders.

Do borders keep out homegrown terrorism?
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gbpxl
02/18/18 7:51:22 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Interesting difference in reaction from the MSM. A school shooting happens, and the MSM is very eager to give angry pro-gun control advocates a microphone. It's very important that the country has a serious discussion about gun control.

But when somebody drives a truck through a crowd of people, it's a time for sadness and changing Facebook profile pictures. It's certainly not time to give angry people the microphone to start a discussion about borders.

When someone drives a truck into people it's usually because they're on a quest for jihad and I think they're trying to crack down on that
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Lordgold666
02/18/18 7:51:53 PM
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tennisdude818
02/18/18 8:19:59 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Interesting difference in reaction from the MSM. A school shooting happens, and the MSM is very eager to give angry pro-gun control advocates a microphone. It's very important that the country has a serious discussion about gun control.

But when somebody drives a truck through a crowd of people, it's a time for sadness and changing Facebook profile pictures. It's certainly not time to give angry people the microphone to start a discussion about borders.

Do borders keep out homegrown terrorism?


Sometimes. Europe is dealing with a problem where second generation immigrants from the Middle East are often more radicalized than their parents. That's probably not unrelated to the massive number of un-vetted migrants pouring in today. When they can live in welfare ghettos and get by while only interacting with each other, they don't have to integrate with natives through the free market.
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tennisdude818
02/18/18 8:20:38 PM
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gbpxl posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Interesting difference in reaction from the MSM. A school shooting happens, and the MSM is very eager to give angry pro-gun control advocates a microphone. It's very important that the country has a serious discussion about gun control.

But when somebody drives a truck through a crowd of people, it's a time for sadness and changing Facebook profile pictures. It's certainly not time to give angry people the microphone to start a discussion about borders.

When someone drives a truck into people it's usually because they're on a quest for jihad and I think they're trying to crack down on that


"Why don't similar attacks happen in other first world countries like Japan?"
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CharlesBronson
02/18/18 10:53:15 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
gbpxl posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Interesting difference in reaction from the MSM. A school shooting happens, and the MSM is very eager to give angry pro-gun control advocates a microphone. It's very important that the country has a serious discussion about gun control.

But when somebody drives a truck through a crowd of people, it's a time for sadness and changing Facebook profile pictures. It's certainly not time to give angry people the microphone to start a discussion about borders.

When someone drives a truck into people it's usually because they're on a quest for jihad and I think they're trying to crack down on that


"Why don't similar attacks happen in other first world countries like Japan?"

Thailand has very strict laws against private ownership of weapons. As a result, only the military, police, and bad guys have them. There are less deaths attributed to guns than in the U.S. No school shootings. Few mass shootings of any kind. Which, of course, is good.
However, there are many more murders attributed to knives and beatings. And, bombings. Not good.

The bigger problem is how democracy suffers because of the armed strength of the government and police. They can get away with just about anything. In Thailand, it takes a long time, usually 4 to 7 years, for any opposition to gain enough public support to oust the corrupt officials. In 80 years, Thailand has had two free elections. though they were heavily influenced by corrupted voting. The rest of the time, there have been 20 coup dtats since 1932. Some successful and some violent.

In 229 years, while the U.S. had a civil war, there have been no coups. Why? Because the Second Amendment allows the populace to be armed.

While all these mass shootings in the U.S. are horrific, many thousands have died in Thai coups.

The founding fathers of the U.S.A. understood how governments can become corrupt and out of control. They understood the need for a strong civilian population to keep the government in check. The whole U.S. system of government is notable because of the checks and balances between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches. They knew governments have a tendency to run amok.

If U.S. gun ownership is severed, what makes you think the government won't go off the rails?
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tennisdude818
02/19/18 8:55:26 AM
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CharlesBronson posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
gbpxl posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Interesting difference in reaction from the MSM. A school shooting happens, and the MSM is very eager to give angry pro-gun control advocates a microphone. It's very important that the country has a serious discussion about gun control.

But when somebody drives a truck through a crowd of people, it's a time for sadness and changing Facebook profile pictures. It's certainly not time to give angry people the microphone to start a discussion about borders.

When someone drives a truck into people it's usually because they're on a quest for jihad and I think they're trying to crack down on that


"Why don't similar attacks happen in other first world countries like Japan?"

Thailand has very strict laws against private ownership of weapons. As a result, only the military, police, and bad guys have them. There are less deaths attributed to guns than in the U.S. No school shootings. Few mass shootings of any kind. Which, of course, is good.
However, there are many more murders attributed to knives and beatings. And, bombings. Not good.

The bigger problem is how democracy suffers because of the armed strength of the government and police. They can get away with just about anything. In Thailand, it takes a long time, usually 4 to 7 years, for any opposition to gain enough public support to oust the corrupt officials. In 80 years, Thailand has had two free elections. though they were heavily influenced by corrupted voting. The rest of the time, there have been 20 coup dtats since 1932. Some successful and some violent.

In 229 years, while the U.S. had a civil war, there have been no coups. Why? Because the Second Amendment allows the populace to be armed.

While all these mass shootings in the U.S. are horrific, many thousands have died in Thai coups.

The founding fathers of the U.S.A. understood how governments can become corrupt and out of control. They understood the need for a strong civilian population to keep the government in check. The whole U.S. system of government is notable because of the checks and balances between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches. They knew governments have a tendency to run amok.

If U.S. gun ownership is severed, what makes you think the government won't go off the rails?


I agree that our second amendment for protection from government. In the old days that meant repeating the Revolutionary War if necessary. I don't think that is on the table anymore, but I do think it could prevent a bloody Marxist uprising like in Mao's China, or the one that White South African farmers will potentially have to defend themselves from.

Maybe that will happen here in the next 50 - 100 years. Class and/or racial hatred can produce an exponentially higher body count than psycho kids who are pumped up on SSRIs.
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Cheater87
02/19/18 8:57:14 AM
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Did she shave it after the attack, or before?
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nevershine
02/19/18 9:02:18 AM
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The chick behind her makes it look like she's got hair
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NBA
02/19/18 1:31:36 PM
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Kids die. Brave kid makes speech. All CE can do is make fun of her for having a shaved head. Never change CE
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AngelicTouch99
02/19/18 2:21:44 PM
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gbpxl posted...
Spooking posted...
We can't have knee-jerk reaction laws get pass. Thankfully, congress doesn't act on knee-jerk reactions.

bull fucking shit! after 9/11 happened, they decided unanimously to bomb the fucking shit out of Afghanistan (and later Iraq), without even discussing it with other countries and ultimately leaving a million+ dead, when none of the hijackers were even from Iraq to begin with, so don't start with me on the knee-jerk crap

That wasnt a knee jerk reaction. That was bush using the bombing as an excuse to go after saddam hussein for putting out a hit on his father. Its people abusing fheir power, not a knee jerk reaction
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gbpxl
02/19/18 5:30:52 PM
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AngelicTouch99 posted...
gbpxl posted...
Spooking posted...
We can't have knee-jerk reaction laws get pass. Thankfully, congress doesn't act on knee-jerk reactions.

bull fucking shit! after 9/11 happened, they decided unanimously to bomb the fucking shit out of Afghanistan (and later Iraq), without even discussing it with other countries and ultimately leaving a million+ dead, when none of the hijackers were even from Iraq to begin with, so don't start with me on the knee-jerk crap

That wasnt a knee jerk reaction. That was bush using the bombing as an excuse to go after saddam hussein for putting out a hit on his father. Its people abusing fheir power, not a knee jerk reaction

the nearly unanimous support from Congress for a dipshit like Bush immediately after 9/11 was a knee jerk reaction.
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