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shadowsword87
07/19/18 1:36:52 AM
#301:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Just off the top of my head, in most of the really enjoyable games I watch online, not a single one involved player input in the world or story. For DCA, Chris Perkins basically just said "We're playing in Faerun, and the plot is going to reflect whatever rules book WotC is selling next". For Critical Role, Matt Mercer basically made up his own entire world which is mostly homebrew and detailed enough to fill multiple sourcebooks. The High Rollers game started in one world and just switched to another, both of which were homebrewed mostly from scratch by Mark Hulmes. And the PA Acq Inc games almost border on fanfiction Jerry Holkins has written for his character from the main games becoming the entire campaign for the C-Team (and all of which is set in Faerun).


Huh, which is probably why I wasn't as interested those podcasts as much as my podcasts.

Dan Repperger's Fear the Boot AP started off asking players what they wanted out of a setting, and Caleb Stoke's Red Markets game is everyone literally building the home base of the players. Both of which I love without a doubt. The other one I follow constantly, is Critical Hit, but that's just because the world is amazing and I've been listening to it for on and off for 5 years now.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Though I must admit, while writing out the stuff above, the idea did occur to me that, instead of magitech robots, there could be some sort of odd scenario involving a curse wherein dead heroes from the past have their souls bound to the PC somehow, allowing him to sort of "summon" them up in combat, where they act as ethereal versions of PC classes, who are dispersed for a specific period of time if "killed" in combat, but can return. Also with the implication that if the PC themselves die, they become part of the curse and their soul becomes one of the ones the NEXT PC who comes along will be able to summon.

But that still runs into my problem of "the DM has to RP the personalities of these characters, and justify why they're all willing to defer without question to the PC's orders in combat", which is why I kind of went with the idea of robots in the first place. Unless part of the curse is that these spirit wisps strictly the literal souls of the dead heroes, just echoes of their presence and identity, that sort of possess their skills but not their personality or self-will. So they're basically just slaves to the one who summons them, and respond to orders wordlessly and without question.

Which could also open interesting doors if the PC somehow attempts to figure out the root of this curse and potentially free the spirits, or even potentially cast Resurrection-type spells to try and bring them back to life, because I could actually see some players being really keen on the idea of some sort of tragic romance between their character and an ethereal phantom that looks like a sad, beautiful princess who they can never actually talk to or meaningfully interact with. But that loops back to the problem of having to play the "PCs" as NPCs again.


Also if you're not as interested in RPing a bunch of spirits, you could go more mean and say that it's a singular entity (devil, mythos god, whatever) that uses the spirits of the fallen as vessels to lure the PC into a sense of security and pushing further and further into danger. So when the PC dies, their spirit gets added to their resume.
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The Wave Master
07/19/18 8:49:37 AM
#302:


Microsoft is talking about unveiling a new xbox console in August at Gamescon.

These morons just unveiled the Xbone X less than a year ago, and they are already wanting to move on again. I'm glad I have my os4 and I'm enjoying the heck out of that console.

The worse part is that they don't even have an original idea. The codename for their next gen console is "Scarlett." That is the codename I gave my wife. They can't even steal a codename properly.

Maybe Microsoft misspoke, and they mean a new Xbox One X schew is being released, and not an entirely new console.

Misspeaking things seems to be going around s kot lately...
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Metalsonic66
07/19/18 9:32:32 AM
#303:


The Wave Master posted...
These morons just unveiled the Xbone X less than a year ago

Seems like longer than that
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ParanoidObsessive
07/19/18 1:19:43 PM
#304:


shadowsword87 posted...
I've actually been playing Druids more and more. Mostly because they're full casters in 5e, who at level 2 can transform into a motherfucking bear twice every short rest.

Circle of the Moon is really kind of broken.



shadowsword87 posted...
But I've played a character who wanted to be a liaison for the forest and out how to properly create a balance between cities and the forest. Viewing everything through a long-term angle as well, so letting them get fallen timber rights for finished goods, and so on.

That's a viable interpretation. It's basically how Druids who worship Chauntea in Forgotten Realms view their role in nature. Chauntea is literally "Mother Nature" in that setting, but she's also closer to Demeter in the Greek pantheon in that she's nature tamed and in balance - a goddess of agriculture rather than a more primal force of wild nature (that's more Silvanus' role) or a goddess of forests and animals (which is more Mielikki's place).

Druids in general tend to reflect whatever nature deity you're using in your setting. Druids attached to nature deities who are relatively "cool" with humans (or other sapient races) who "tame" nature or otherwise focus on agriculture and industry at the expense of natural growth so long as they treat nature with reverence and respect the balance will likely serve a very different role from Druids who serve gods like Silvanus, Mielikki, Ehlonna, or Melora. Or one of the darker, more brutal nature gods (like Umberlee, Auril, or Talos) who represent the most hostile and corrupt aspects of nature, and pretty much loathe humans. And since multiple types of gods can exist with overlapping portfolios in the same setting, multiple types of Druids can exist as well.

It's sort of how Druids were presented as far back as the Baldur's Gate games - Cernd was a possible ally party member who was basically the stereotypical Native American type character who lives in harmony with nature (and who also happens to turn into a giant werewolf), who dislikes cities but tolerates them. Meanwhile, there was also Faldorn, also a possible ally party member, but who was a Shadow Druid, which means she pretty much wants to burn down every city and murder every city dweller to defend nature. And then there's Jaheira, who is pretty much THE main Druid most players are likely to travel with (partly because the plot makes her important, and party because the other two suck way more mechanically), whose beliefs are more that civilization and nature are both positives that need to be defended and kept in balance (which leads her to fight with Faldorn constantly if both are in your party), to the point of her becoming a Harper to focus her efforts more on the civilized side of the coin.



shadowsword87 posted...
I've also played a lizardfolk who completely understood human culture, and just didn't give a shit. Eating some rats, nap on the street, and so on. Fun silly stuff, but it makes my point.

You were basically playing a Bone Gnawer from Werewolf, then.

I'd probably classify that sort of archetype as a shaman (in the vein of the separate 4e class), and either lean towards Circle of the Land Druid or even a Cleric with Nature Domain.


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ParanoidObsessive
07/19/18 1:19:50 PM
#305:


shadowsword87 posted...
The point being that what people predefine as "druidic archetypes" just suck for games, and people can figure out other things to play, they just need to be creative.

I don't think the problem is a lack of creativity. I think it's more a case of most people choose to play a Druid either for mechanical reasons (in which case they don't care about the fluff/flavor as much and just default to the usual default hippie archetype, especially since Circle of the Moon is the really exploitable subclass, and that's also the one that leans most heavily into the Wiccan/hippie nonsense), or they chose that class specifically because they wanted to play that archetype (ie, Marisha on Critical Role and Amy on Acq Inc C-Team being obvious examples).

Sure, you CAN play a more complex or atypical Druid more akin to nature priests in other cultures, but that leans more into just playing a Cleric of one of the agricultural gods and taking Nature Domain or something similar. And most people aren't going to think playing a priest or druid of the god of healthy crop growth is kewl enough in a game where you storm through the world murdering everything in your path on the way to essentially becoming a god yourself.



shadowsword87 posted...
At the risk of starting another billion posts: oh, you mean Rouge One?

Well, to be fair, they lacked a 3P0 and R2, and only had one combat droid.

The rest of their party was two Rogues, a Ranger, a Monk, and a Fighter.



shadowsword87 posted...
Huh, which is probably why I wasn't as interested those podcasts as much as my podcasts.

On the flip-side, it might also be worth noting that those are some of the most popular games online at the moment, which implies most players are perfectly fine with not having that much input on the design of the world or the overall thrust of the narrative as long as they trust their DMs to tell a good story.

In other words, players being allowed to have a much stronger say in their environment might just be more a personal quirk of yours than something that would (or should) apply to a majority of games run by other DMs.



shadowsword87 posted...
Dan Repperger's Fear the Boot AP started off asking players what they wanted out of a setting

The closest I've ever come to this was asking players in advance what sort of mood/tone/genre they wanted from a game. If a majority had said "gothic horror" or something similar, I would have leaned into something like the typical Ravenloft game. If they preferred "high fantasy", something like Lord of the Rings or traditional D&D (especially in Faerun/Forgotten Realms) would have been the inspiration, while "dark fantasy" would have produced a game closer to Game of Thrones. If they wanted a game that was mostly action and combat, I would have leaned more into that, while if they were looking more for solving mysteries or political intrigue, I could lay things out more in favor of that sort of thing as well.

I also tend to make "How serious or silly do you want this game to be?" a question I ask, because I've played/run games where everything is mostly ridiculous, and games where things are much more serious, and what the players expect along those lines helps me know how I should run things.

I might also be willing to add something in if a player was insistent about something (like, "In my backstory I come from an island kingdom in the north where I lived in a palace of ice!"), but beyond that the world and the plot would be mostly my own.


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ParanoidObsessive
07/19/18 1:21:07 PM
#306:


shadowsword87 posted...
and Caleb Stoke's Red Markets game is everyone literally building the home base of the players.

I think you can allow players to build their home base without that translating into greater input on the world or the narrative as a whole - even Critical Role had the PCs build their own base (called Grayskull Keep, and looking suspiciously like a certain castle from a certain 80s cartoon), populate it with their own host of NPC support staff that they went through an interview process to hire, and with a deliberately laid out floorplan where all of the PCs suggested rooms or areas they wanted to see added to the layout (though, of course, he did have it get partially destroyed by a large white dragon, and they rarely ever actually spent TIME there, as they were usually either on the road, or later, based out of another city because the one their keep was near was conquered by an ancient red dragon before they managed to slay it).

Even in a setting where I had almost total control over the landscape and various locations, if a player said they wanted to locate a certain type of area and set up their own stronghold/base of operations there, I'd happily let them map the whole thing out and establish lines of support and/or trade to other locales (and I probably wouldn't destroy it as a plot hook later on, either - I tend to like the idea of players being able to have a central hub to store loot and trophies without having to worry about it being gone when they get back).

(As an aside, I'm reminded of the narrative of the Lone Wolf gamebooks, where you start as a trainee in a monastery that is destroyed before the story begins, leaving you the last survivor of your brotherhood, but over the course of future books you slowly rebuild both the monastery itself and the order you were trained by in the background while going on other adventures - which is something I've considered using as a narrative hook in an RPG before, and which would allow players to either abandon or rebuild their ruined base as time goes on and they gather resources to do so.)

I wouldn't even be entirely adverse to a game where the entire gameplay arc is basically "build a fort/town/city/empire of your own", where all of the focus is on resource gathering/management, architectural planning, and diplomacy (which is sort of how the Birthright D&D setting works), if that's what the players wanted and it evolved organically out of play (hence my previous comment about being cool with the idea if players wanted to retire somewhere around level 2 and open an inn near a dungeon or something, which is based on a real RP group that apparently did just that, as per one of the stories that drift around the Internet from time-to-time). I'd probably be oddly cool with that (though I can also understand why many DMs might find it boring as hell). But the actions of the PCs would still provoke reactions from NPCs in the world, and things wouldn't always go the way they want them to. And maybe that mine they start carving out in the nearby mountain to acquire necessary resources turns out to break into ancient dwarf tunnels and ruins that lead to potential dangers...

My GMing style is usually to dangle a bunch of potential plot hooks, see which ones the players latch on to, and then develop those so that the players are interacting with the stories they WANT to, and not just getting railroaded into whatever story I wanted to tell (and obviously, playing off elements of each character's backstory, because they ARE the main characters of the narrative). But that's not the same as asking them in advance what they want and then trying to build the entire world around their ideas. Things like kingdoms, backstory, history, and NPCs are still going to be things I plot out regardless of what the players want to add to the game.


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ParanoidObsessive
07/19/18 1:21:19 PM
#307:


shadowsword87 posted...
Also if you're not as interested in RPing a bunch of spirits, you could go more mean and say that it's a singular entity (devil, mythos god, whatever) that uses the spirits of the fallen as vessels to lure the PC into a sense of security and pushing further and further into danger. So when the PC dies, their spirit gets added to their resume.

Yeah, but then that's turning what is meant as a tool to help a solo player into something the solo player will learn to distrust, ultimately forcing them to either leave it behind or get screwed over later. I'm mainly leaning more towards something they can trust implicitly, and thus which serves as an aid to support them even in the face of lacking other PC allies.

Part of why I went with robots in my initial idea was because they're neutral enough to be controllable, able to have their own bit of identity without really needing elaborate personality, and because it's relatively easy to just say "an ancient culture built them, you found them, they're yours now, use them however you want". Anything too complicated beyond that starts forcing itself into the narrative, or otherwise impedes the ability of the player to use them without worrying about potential consequences.


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The Wave Master
07/20/18 9:12:38 AM
#308:


I just discovered that Hulu has a whole bunch of DC animated movies. You know, the good stuff that isn't made by zach Snyder, and exist in his murder verse.

I have seen a few of them already, Flashpointv Paradox, Justice League Doom, and New Frontier, but not a lot of the Teen Titans stuff, so that's my Friday. Plus, plenty of the ones I have seen are worth watching again.

Oh and speaking of Teen Titans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rWiM1BQ5E" data-time="

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Metalsonic66
07/20/18 9:50:57 AM
#309:


Looks awful
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Zeus
07/20/18 12:59:45 PM
#310:


The Wave Master posted...
Microsoft is talking about unveiling a new xbox console in August at Gamescon.

These morons just unveiled the Xbone X less than a year ago, and they are already wanting to move on again. I'm glad I have my os4 and I'm enjoying the heck out of that console.


They're flailing this gen, tbh.

The Wave Master posted...
The worse part is that they don't even have an original idea. The codename for their next gen console is "Scarlett." That is the codename I gave my wife. They can't even steal a codename properly.


Yeah, what are they doing stealing ideas from random people on the interwebz like that?! =p

The Wave Master posted...
You know, the good stuff that isn't made by zach Snyder, and exist in his murder verse.


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The Wave Master posted...
I have seen a few of them already, Flashpointv Paradox, Justice League Doom, and New Frontier, but not a lot of the Teen Titans stuff, so that's my Friday. Plus, plenty of the ones I have seen are worth watching again.


Flashpoint and New Frontier were pretty good. Justice League Doom was alright. A *lot* of the DC animated films are garbage, though, like Son of Batman, Batman vs Robin, Superman/Batman: Apocalypse, Public Enemies, etc.

Gods and Monsters was pretty neat. Was disappointed to learn it wasn't based on a comic and therefore was pretty all we have for the concept.

A few of the others I've pretty much just watched via YT clips which, given all that I saw, looked to be alright; such as Batman and Harley Quinn (which I didn't realize was its own thing at first), the Suicide Squad movies, etc.

If they've got a bunch of stuff on Hulu, I'll need to check it out. NFI hasn't always picked up the movies.

The Wave Master posted...
Oh and speaking of Teen Titans:


#Sigh

The *one* and only kinda promising element is the portrayal of Raven, although it's weird that she's so much younger than the rest of the group. Most of the cast looks like they're in their 20s, she almost looks like she's not even a teen yet.

Starfire's casting choice was just weird. Beast Boy isn't actually green (although I like that he apparently has the comic-themed jacket). They're completely skipping Cyborg, one of the team's mainstays and founding members of the version the show is based on (presumably due to movie rights... although Flash is in film and on tv, so that's kinda stupid). Robin is passable and Raven looks alright other than the age issue. Probably more interested in Hawk & Dove than anybody.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/20/18 1:01:56 PM
#311:


Here's an odd linguistics question that I'm not sure anyone will have an answer to:

I'm trying to think of whether or not there's a specific name referring to what I'll refer to as "matched pairs" in language. Basically, when you have phrases like "weal or woe", "flesh and bone", "smoke and mirrors", or even "toil and trouble". Words that are often matched together (especially poetically), to the point of becoming something of an idiom.

The only thing I can think of is "couplet", but I know that's wrong. And to be honest, I'm not actually sure there IS a phrase describing that specific sort of thing, but my OCD is niggling at my brain like maybe there is one, and I do know it, but just can't think of it at the moment.


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Zeus
07/20/18 1:15:51 PM
#312:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
And to be honest, I'm not actually sure there IS a phrase describing that specific sort of thing, but my OCD is niggling at my brain like maybe there is one, and I do know it, but just can't think of it at the moment.


Great, now I'm going to be stuck pondering this for the rest of the day as well. I instinctively went to look up the MtG cards since, if a term existed, I thought it might pop up in the designer editorial. (That and the cards are always the first thing to come to mind when I hear some of those things used together these days because it was a neat concept.)

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/split-decisions-2002-02-11

Unfortunately, after I glancing through it, I realized they never addressed the naming convention at all =(
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ParanoidObsessive
07/20/18 1:35:47 PM
#313:


Zeus posted...
I instinctively went to look up the MtG cards since, if a term existed, I thought it might pop up in the designer editorial. (That and the cards are always the first thing to come to mind when I hear some of those things used together these days because it was a neat concept.)

Yeah, I have a few of those. And some of them are pretty good examples of what I'm kind of thinking of.

The paired word thing also work very well when someone is trying to name paired weapons for a character. For instance, about 20 years ago (Jesus, I am old), I had a character in an Amber game with twin guns, that were known as the Dioscuri (a reference to Castor and Pollux), and which were individually named "Fulmine" and "Trueno" (Italian for "lightning" and "thunder"). "Thunder and Lightning" would definitely fall into the wheelhouse of what I've been talking about.


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ParanoidObsessive
07/20/18 1:41:19 PM
#314:


Something said in another topic just made me think of something else I'd probably put in that particular category:

"Footloose and Fancy-Free"


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The Wave Master
07/20/18 7:52:15 PM
#315:


James Gunn was fired from Marvel and the Guardians franchise today. It's a result from some tweets he posted in 2008 and 2009.

We can get Into whether it was right or wrong to make the jokes he did, whether him being openly gay, and opposing Trump publicly caused rhe backlash from a lot of conservatives....

Either way it's done, and we do not bring up those kinds of issues in this topic. The geek topic is a safe haven from the scary outside world.

Saying that, now that Gunn has been fired who should replace him as director, writer, and executive producer on Guardians 3?

My first choice and thought would be Taika Waititi, who did a bang up job on Thor Ragnarok. He is familiar with the Marvel universe and process, and I think he can handle the action and tone the franchise has displayed from the previous movies.

Do you fellow geeks have any suggestions on who could replace Gunn?

http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/07/20/james-gunn-fired-from-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3?abthid=5b5263dc5e99c41d360004bc
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Zeus
07/20/18 8:02:34 PM
#316:


The Wave Master posted...
It's a result from some tweets he posted in 2008 and 2009.


Twitter is a killer.

The Wave Master posted...
My first choice and thought would be Taika Waititi, who did a bang up job on Thor Ragnarok. He is familiar with the Marvel universe and process, and I think he can handle the action and tone the franchise has displayed from the previous movies.


Given how shoddily edited Ragnarok was, I'm not sure he'd be the best choice.
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Metalsonic66
07/20/18 8:28:24 PM
#317:


Joss Whedon
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The Wave Master
07/20/18 8:37:41 PM
#318:


Glass trailer is up. I hate to have high expectations for anything, but I love Unbreakable so much. So, if this movie falls flat on its ass I still have fond memories of the original, which I saw in theaters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBL6COBGjCA" data-time="

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Entity13
07/20/18 9:10:25 PM
#319:


The Wave Master posted...
Glass trailer is up. I hate to have high expectations for anything, but I love Unbreakable so much. So, if this movie falls flat on its ass I still have fond memories of the original, which I saw in theaters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBL6COBGjCA" data-time="


Unbreakable was more than fine. The second film was less than fine. The third, so far, looks to culminate everything into the grand ol' plot twist that EVERYONE is a Super except for those three characters.
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Zeus
07/20/18 9:34:16 PM
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I wasn't a huge fan of Unbreakable, given how they handled the twist and resolved everything. However, I'm still kinda hyped by the premise of this and, as I noted in the other topic, I hadn't realized that Split was set in the same universe.
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WhiskeyDisk
07/20/18 9:36:25 PM
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The Wave Master posted...
James Gunn was fired from Marvel and the Guardians franchise today. It's a result from some tweets he posted in 2008 and 2009.

We can get Into whether it was right or wrong to make the jokes he did, whether him being openly gay, and opposing Trump publicly caused rhe backlash from a lot of conservatives....

Either way it's done, and we do not bring up those kinds of issues in this topic. The geek topic is a safe haven from the scary outside world.


Just gonna leave this tweet here from the hypocrite that dug up those Gunn tweets.

https://imgur.com/UsBz6vC
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Entity13
07/20/18 11:49:18 PM
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Zeus posted...
I wasn't a huge fan of Unbreakable, given how they handled the twist and resolved everything. However, I'm still kinda hyped by the premise of this and, as I noted in the other topic, I hadn't realized that Split was set in the same universe.


Yep. There's even a seen in Split with Willis in a diner watching the TV, and he mentions Glass by name to a number of gossiping ladies sitting next to him.
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The Wave Master
07/21/18 8:56:19 AM
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I have only watched Thor: Ragnarok once. I do need to revisit the film again, but I didn't notice any editing issues. Zeus, maybe I missed something, but the movie seem to be edited fine and flow cohesively. But I could be wrong, and if I am please point it out to me.

Also, if you don't think date rape exist yoi are
a piece of scum. That's all I'm going to say about that.

On a different note The X Games started up again last night. I guess I'm getting old, but I am not excited about this anymore. I remember being a kid and I would go out for daily exercise walk during the summer, and I would be upset if I missed an event. Skydiving, skateboarding, BMX, etc. It would be like a whole week of events, and u was obsessed. Now... meh. What about you geeks? Any find memories of the X games?
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The Wave Master
07/22/18 11:23:36 AM
#324:


Comic Con DC trailers are up. First we have Aquaman. I'm getting a very Black Panher vibe to rhis movie, except for all the African Culture and kickass villain. Still, Warner Brothers looks as if they spent a metric ton on the special effects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDkg3h8PCVU" data-time="


Next we ha e Shazam. It too wasn't that bad. I overall like the tone, and Chuck seems to be doing okay as the title character. The suit looks weird and beefy in certain areas, like a Popeye sorta feel and look, but it suits the tone I guess. Anyway here is Shazam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6GEIrcvFY" data-time="

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ParanoidObsessive
07/22/18 11:47:13 AM
#325:


The Wave Master posted...
Comic Con DC trailers are up. First we have Aquaman. I'm getting a very Black Panher vibe to rhis movie, except for all the African Culture and kickass villain. Still, Warner Brothers looks as if they spent a metric ton on the special effects.

With how they've presented Aquaman so far, if I were them I'd probably lean into the Polynesian side of things, and just use a lot of elements of Pacific Islander design motifs and mythology to build off of. So it would be a lot like Black Panther, just replacing "Africa" with "Oceania".

Even if that would kind of put the focus on the wrong ocean (Atlantic culture being extremely different from Pacific, and Atlantis and Lemuria generally not being interchangeable in fiction).


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Metalsonic66
07/22/18 2:15:27 PM
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Aquaman might be okay; even though Mamoa doesn't look or act like any version of Aquaman, I thought he was still fun to watch in Justice League. Looks like there will be some pretty CGI scenery in the movie at least.

Captain Marvel--err, SHAZAM, doesn't look like a DCEU movie at all (which might work in its favor TBH). Looks like it could be a funny movie. Not a fan of the glowy chest symbol, the puffy muscle-suit, or the guy playing the adult Billy, but it could be okay.
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07/22/18 2:35:07 PM
#327:


The Wave Master posted...
I have only watched Thor: Ragnarok once. I do need to revisit the film again, but I didn't notice any editing issues. Zeus, maybe I missed something, but the movie seem to be edited fine and flow cohesively. But I could be wrong, and if I am please point it out to me.


The film flips from one location to another at a breakneck speed, lacking all coherency.

The Wave Master posted...
Also, if you don't think date rape exist yoi are
a piece of scum. That's all I'm going to say about that.


Given that his tweet clearly excluded forcible rape (which would include date rape drugs -- ie, giving her the ol' Bill Cosby), what exactly would date rape even entail at that point? Something like what Aziz Ansari did where he kept pushing until she consented?

The Wave Master posted...
First we have Aquaman. I'm getting a very Black Panher vibe to rhis movie, except for all the African Culture and kickass villain. Still, Warner Brothers looks as if they spent a metric ton on the special effects.


Aquaman looks great, although I worry the CGI-fest may hide issues with the script. Ocean-Master *and* Black Manta in the same film will be a treat. And I loved that aquarium scene.

And do you not think Orm & BM are kickass? >_>

The Wave Master posted...
Next we ha e Shazam. It too wasn't that bad. I overall like the tone, and Chuck seems to be doing okay as the title character. The suit looks weird and beefy in certain areas, like a Popeye sorta feel and look, but it suits the tone I guess. Anyway here is Shazam.


Looks pretty fun. I love the scene where he meets Freddy Freeman. tbh, Freddy kinda makes the film. I'm pretty hyped for Shazam!, although I'm not loving the look of the hero -- either the outfit or the actor cast to play him.

Metalsonic66 posted...
Not a fan of the glowy chest symbol,


Hasn't that been a thing since the New 52?
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07/22/18 5:54:51 PM
#328:


It's not the fact that it glows, so much as the way it looks like a panel with LEDs placed under it.
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The Wave Master
07/23/18 6:13:07 PM
#329:


Alita: Battle Angel trailer is up too. Comic con just gives us more trailer goodness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jym-bOKG8NU" data-time="

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ParanoidObsessive
07/23/18 9:12:06 PM
#330:


Here's an odd question:

If you were trying to come up with something similar to a Tarot deck, and you were trying to think of catchy, fancy names for greater Arcana cards, and you wanted a word to represent a deserted island sort of locale, what sort of names might you come up with?

As an example, for a different card in the hypothetical deck, I decided one card would represent a "prison", and its name is "The Oubliette". Because "Prison" isn't cool enough.


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WhiskeyDisk
07/23/18 9:46:35 PM
#331:


The Void of the Expanse?
The Nothing/Nowhere?
The Great Silence?
Limbo/Purgatory?

For prison only themes, I've always been a fan of the Panopticon.
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07/23/18 9:49:46 PM
#332:


In the meantime, I came up with "The Desolate Isle", but I'm still open for alternative suggestions.

I also came up with "The Fallen Tower" for a card that represents a ruined fort/monastery/etc.

Incidentally, for more context, I'm sort of thinking about making Tarot-esque cards for the most cliched RPG campaign beginnings ever, but making them sound arcane.

At some point, I'll probably have to come up with something for "You all meet in a tavern" as well.


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07/23/18 9:51:34 PM
#333:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
For prison only themes, I've always been a fan of the Panopticon.

I like the idea of the Panopticon, but that always feels like a far more sci-fi or at least somewhat futurist concept, not necessarily something that would show up in high fantasy or gothic horror.

That being said, in my brain, White Wolf already laid claim to that one when they made it one of the branches of the Technocracy, as an outgrowth of the New World Order. My OCD always tends to steer me clear of fancy terms if they've been used for something in another system I'm familiar with.


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07/23/18 9:55:57 PM
#334:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
For prison only themes, I've always been a fan of the Panopticon.

I like the idea of the Panopticon, but that always feels like a far more sci-fi or at least somewhat futurist concept, not necessarily something that would show up in high fantasy or gothic horror.

That being said, in my brain, White Wolf already laid claim to that one when they made it one of the branches of the Technocracy, as an outgrowth of the New World Order. My OCD always tends to steer me clear of fancy terms if they've been used for something in another system I'm familiar with.



What's so fancy about it? Obsidian Glass crater in sand a half Mile high all around. Panopticon in the center observing all.
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07/23/18 9:58:15 PM
#335:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
I also came up with "The Fallen Tower" for a card that represents a ruined fort/monastery/etc.


Er, the classic tarot deck has this already. Whether the tower is reversed or not, its pretty much a dreaded card, it's just the degree to how dreaded given it's position.
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07/23/18 9:59:23 PM
#336:


While we're back to the topic of names, I recently came across a kickass-sounding name for a cool place which, naturally, translates to something underwhelming:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimmuborgir

Dimmuborgir, a large desolate area with rock formations and caves, literally translates to "Dark Castles." It sounds almost as bad as "Mount Doom"

ParanoidObsessive posted...
If you were trying to come up with something similar to a Tarot deck, and you were trying to think of catchy, fancy names for greater Arcana cards, and you wanted a word to represent a deserted island sort of locale, what sort of names might you come up with?

As an example, for a different card in the hypothetical deck, I decided one card would represent a "prison", and its name is "The Oubliette". Because "Prison" isn't cool enough.


"The Uncharted," perhaps? =p Or maybe "Forgotten Island"? "The Place/Land Lost to Time"? (Or maybe even "The Island that Time Forgot"? =p Could toss some dinos on it. Think about it!)

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Incidentally, for more context, I'm sort of thinking about making Tarot-esque cards for the most cliched RPG campaign beginnings ever, but making them sound arcane.


I love the concept.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
In the meantime, I came up with "The Desolate Isle", but I'm still open for alternative suggestions.


Sounds alright, but desolate makes everything sound cooler.
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Metalsonic66
07/23/18 9:59:24 PM
#337:


The Wave Master posted...
Alita: Battle Angel trailer is up too. Comic con just gives us more trailer goodness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jym-bOKG8NU" data-time="

Looks weird
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ParanoidObsessive
07/23/18 11:06:15 PM
#338:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
What's so fancy about it? Obsidian Glass crater in sand a half Mile high all around. Panopticon in the center observing all.

It's the name more than anything. It's not really a fantasy-flavored name. It's a bit too science-y.

Even if you build a prison out of raw magic that involved hundreds of scrying eyes and magic mirrors so the warden can watch everyone at the same time, I'd probably have to come up with a different name for it. Like "The Hold of a Hundred Eyes" or something.



WhiskeyDisk posted...
Er, the classic tarot deck has this already. Whether the tower is reversed or not, its pretty much a dreaded card, it's just the degree to how dreaded given it's position.

Yes, I know. Don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs!

But honestly, when you're thinking about a monastery that's been ruined and visuals to represent that sort of thing, a collapsing tower is kind of ideal for imagery, so it works into the symbolism.

I'd be happy to loot any number of names/images from existing Tarot (or similar Tarot-ish cards, like, say, the Tarokka deck from Ravenloft), but most of those tend to default more to people specifically (The High Priestess, The Innocent, The Lady of Shadows), or concepts in general (Strength, Judgment, Death). There aren't a ton of actual "locations" other than The Tower and The World in standard decks.

If anything, the only fiction I can think of with multiple "location" cards in a deck is Amber, and that mostly because the cards literally allow you to magically transport through space and reality to wherever is shown on the card. But even with Amber Trump decks, "people" cards are more common than "place" cards.



Zeus posted...
While we're back to the topic of names, I recently came across a kickass-sounding name for a cool place which, naturally, translates to something underwhelming:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimmuborgir

Dimmuborgir, a large desolate area with rock formations and caves, literally translates to "Dark Castles." It sounds almost as bad as "Mount Doom"

Could be worse. Could be "Intercourse" or "Blue Balls" (damn you, Pennsylvania).

Though there's always place names like Teufelsgrund or the like.


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07/24/18 12:04:28 AM
#339:


Oh, here's another one to bounce off:

If you were naming a gladiatorial arena in the same style as the above, which of these sounds better?

The Blood-Soaked Arena
The Blood-Soaked Sands
The Colosseum
The Dark Colosseum (or something similar)



(Oh, and inspired by one of the above, would "The Wine-Dark Sea" be a more appropriate card for a shipwreck than "The Desolate Isle" or something like it? One describes where the catastrophe happens, the other describes where the victim ends up after...)


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07/24/18 2:12:20 AM
#340:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
While we're back to the topic of names, I recently came across a kickass-sounding name for a cool place which, naturally, translates to something underwhelming:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimmuborgir

Dimmuborgir, a large desolate area with rock formations and caves, literally translates to "Dark Castles." It sounds almost as bad as "Mount Doom"


All this does is give me bad flashbacks to an infamous psycho ex of mine that was obsessed with:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimmu_Borgir

Music that was only marginally better than vogon poetry, and only by virtue of being in a language that I didn't comprehend in the slightest. I'm told their lyrics are in fact in English mostly but fuck if I could tell.
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07/24/18 3:52:32 AM
#341:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Even if you build a prison out of raw magic that involved hundreds of scrying eyes and magic mirrors so the warden can watch everyone at the same time, I'd probably have to come up with a different name for it. Like "The Hold of a Hundred Eyes" or something.


Or the Scry-Fry Channel =p

ParanoidObsessive posted...
I'd be happy to loot any number of names/images from existing Tarot (or similar Tarot-ish cards, like, say, the Tarokka deck from Ravenloft),


tbh, always kinda liked that setting. Then again, I like most things that combine fantasy with horror (Brothers Grimm being somewhat of an exception).

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Oh, here's another one to bounce off:

If you were naming a gladiatorial arena in the same style as the above, which of these sounds better?

The Blood-Soaked Arena
The Blood-Soaked Sands
The Colosseum
The Dark Colosseum (or something similar)


Why not just the Bloody Sands? It conveys the same idea as Blood-Soaked Sands. Of course, even if they're pit fighters, just don't go with the Bloody Pit because it has all kinds of other implications =p

ParanoidObsessive posted...
(Oh, and inspired by one of the above, would "The Wine-Dark Sea" be a more appropriate card for a shipwreck than "The Desolate Isle" or something like it? One describes where the catastrophe happens, the other describes where the victim ends up after...)


Yeah, the Wine-Dark Sea is a better idea, especially since it opens up the door to things *other* than just deserted islands. For instance, there could be a cluster of shipwrecks forming some kind of a structure (ie, if a lot of planks, etc, get stock on seaweed or rocks)

WhiskeyDisk posted...
All this does is give me bad flashbacks to an infamous psycho ex of mine that was obsessed with:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimmu_Borgir

Music that was only marginally better than vogon poetry, and only by virtue of being in a language that I didn't comprehend in the slightest. I'm told their lyrics are in fact in English mostly but fuck if I could tell.


I had discovered that the band was a thing while trying to google more info about the actual location. Got a little confused at first.
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07/24/18 4:10:34 AM
#342:


On a mildly fun note, if anybody is wondering what former WWE star (or "star") Shad Gaspard -- one half of the tag team Cryme Tyme -- has done lately, apparently he (and more notably Dolph Lundgren) had a very minor role in Welcome to Willits.

The movie features a fictional cop show called Fists of Justice which can be seen on characters' tvs during certain scenes (and later on Dolph's character begins to talk directly to a hallucinating drug dealer). Dolph Lundgren and Shad Gaspard kinda play themselves playing their characters, with Dolph being a cliche cop who breaks all the rules and Shad is his no-nonsense captain.

(Kinda spoilers towards the end, but you're probably not going to see the movie anyway so it doesn't matter.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivPFO-1gRfI" data-time="

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The Wave Master
07/25/18 12:29:04 PM
#343:


I read an article, that I now can't find, and don't really want to hunt down, about Microsoft looking at releasing a streaming onky Xbox. Whether it's an Xbox One, or a new version of their next generation console remains to be seen. Either way this is a dumb idea for several reasons.

1. Net Neutrality is going to end. One way or another the jerks at the FCC will find a way to support business over consumers, meaning that the price and range of broadband internet is only going to increase over time. Making internet an almost luxuary item for most people.

2. Broadband internet speeds are still crap in most places, and especially in America. A streaming only box that set relies on an Internet connection limits your market and profitability.

3. The retail market. People still buy and want to buy a great deal of their games physically. I only have a handful of games on digital distribution. That's not to say it doesn't hurt the collectors market, the resell market, and the mommy daddy gift market. All of those would result in a product a lot of people would not purchase.

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Metalsonic66
07/25/18 2:45:52 PM
#344:


I have a lot of digital games, and all of my PC games are digital. But yeah, a streaming console seems like a bad idea. Even the game-streaming services available on current consoles don't interest me at all. Hopefully Microsoft doesn't go through with that.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/25/18 5:28:54 PM
#345:


The Wave Master posted...
I read an article, that I now can't find, and don't really want to hunt down, about Microsoft looking at releasing a streaming only Xbox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0NDBbNWvA" data-time="


I kind of like the idea. Mainly because if they do it, I'll never have to worry about choosing between Sony and Microsoft again... because I'd never buy another Xbox again.

Though Microsoft basically wanted to push their way towards an all-digital future THIS gen, until everyone shat all over it, so this is just them assuming the problem was that they were just being ahead of their time, and that people will be more open to the idea in the future. So this really isn't a new direction for them to be pushing towards. And for their sake, maybe next time they'll actually hire a competent marketing team rather than just letting engineers try and explain why everyone should love the idea (which is part of what fucked them last time).

To be fair to them, though, the company as a whole has been against making the Xbox at all for like 10+ years now, so if they're still even thinking about making a next-gen console, that's sort of a win versus the alternative.

Still, personally at least, I've said for years that the moment gaming as a whole becomes a digital-only platform is the point where I cease to be a gamer (or, at least, one who plays games on a modern console versus older games). Not that they give a shit about ME personally, because I'm not in the core "live-service exploitation model" demo anyway, but still.

It also doesn't help that I've basically shunned PC gaming for 20+ years because of all the frustrations and annoyances I hate versus the conveniences of console, but now console makers seem determined to add every single annoyance and frustration I've ever had with PC gaming to consoles as well, while it's becoming easier and easier to hook a PC up to a TV to "couch game" or use controllers for PC games rather than being forced into mouse/keyboard controls. Which WOULD seem to push me more and more towards just saying "fuck it" and becoming a PC gamer... except a lot of the games I want to play aren't on PC, and a fair number of the ones that are seem to have terrible PC ports compared to how they run on console, so in the end I'd probably just give up on the whole mess entirely and just go play Minecraft.


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07/26/18 12:25:01 AM
#346:


I don't like streaming-only models for gaming. I need to watch the vid to really learn about the specifics, but I prefer physical ownership since it has the greater perception of permanency. I'm fine with *movies* as a streaming thing, though, since movies are a more transitory experience and I never feel like I'll revisit most of them. (Granted, I suppose I never actually replay most games so... idk.)

That said, I *have* been on a movie collection kick recently, largely because I got into the habit of hitting thrift stores on a weekly basis and large numbers of movies are available stupidly cheap ($1-2 in many cases). So a lot of stuff I watched once and liked I wound up buying either with the intention of watching it soon-ish or to have the ability to watch it in the future. (And, as you might expect, it largely falls into certain trends -- such as Disney movies, franchises, and so forth.)

Speaking of cheap movies, stopped into a local dollar store recently and saw a copy of Big Man Japan, a movie that's simultaneously forgettable and memorable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTAoxSspBJE" data-time="


Annoyingly, I can't remember how it ended although I remember thinking at the time that there would really need to be a sequel.
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07/27/18 9:16:12 PM
#347:


My dad came back into town today. He's just here for the weekend. That's why I have not posted anything, and I'm sorry.

It does being up memories of my dad pawning my SNES for crack money when I was a kid. We got the SNES back a few days later, but I was a sad panda for those days.

Ironically I was cleaning my house for his arrival, and next to an old stack of my Spider-Man comics was my old SNES. Yes, the same one he pawned for crack money back in the day. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever part with that old oxidated console.
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07/27/18 10:46:32 PM
#348:


Got too much random shit I want to do these days. Lots of projects I want to start, lots of stuff I should be getting done, queues of every kind, etc. Worst is trying to organize. Kinda need to brainstorm smaller shelving units at some point. I should probably just try to build something myself with some cheap, thin wood.

The Wave Master posted...
It does being up memories of my dad pawning my SNES for crack money when I was a kid.


Awesome, really wanted to end my day on a downer >_>

The Wave Master posted...
before I ever part with that old oxidated console.


Uh, oxidated? >_> tbh, not sure what that could have autocorrected from.
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07/28/18 12:03:59 AM
#349:


Zeus posted...
Uh, oxidated? >_> tbh, not sure what that could have autocorrected from.

Antiquated?


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The Wave Master
07/28/18 12:08:48 AM
#350:


Well Zeus the story has a happy ending. My dad is no longer on crack, and I have the SNES still.

The autocorrect monster is a big one. Oxidation. Which all rhe old SNES's do.
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