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Caution999 06/07/18 3:03:09 PM #51:	I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:902721416] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tamashiini 06/07/18 3:04:33 PM #52:	Romes187 posted... yes absolutely --- PSN: helicene Careful, Icarus. <cite>tamashiini posted [p:902721492] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>yes absolutely</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/07/18 3:04:56 PM #53:	Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:902721515] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 06/07/18 3:05:47 PM #54:	Why would I think that unfair? --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:902721560] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Why would I think that unfair?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 06/07/18 3:06:22 PM #55:	Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. I thought he offered to sell them a half made cake. Or without the frosting --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:902721589] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> I thought he offered to sell them a half made cake. Or without the frosting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 06/07/18 3:09:06 PM #56:	hockeybub89 posted... Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument. Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:902721746] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument.</quote> Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 06/07/18 3:10:01 PM #57:	Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. I find it sillier that a gay couple would drive past dozens of bakeries to order a wedding cake from one that doesn't support gay marriage. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:902721790] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> I find it sillier that a gay couple would drive past dozens of bakeries to order a wedding cake from one that doesn't support gay marriage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 06/07/18 3:10:37 PM #58:	SageHarpuia posted... Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. I find it sillier that a gay couple would drive past dozens of bakeries to order a wedding cake from one that doesn't support gay marriage. Oh, absolutely. They're just trying to cause a scene in that case. Get a life. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:902721819] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> I find it sillier that a gay couple would drive past dozens of bakeries to order a wedding cake from one that doesn't support gay marriage.</quote> Oh, absolutely. They're just trying to cause a scene in that case. Get a life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/07/18 3:11:10 PM #59:	Caution999 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument. Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. Then they shouldn't have their store be open to the public. This is how the law works. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:902721845] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument.</quote> Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle.</quote> Then they shouldn't have their store be open to the public. This is how the law works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/07/18 3:13:46 PM #60:	Caution999 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument. Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done. Your job is your job. Do it for everyone or get a new job. "A public business should provide their services to the whole public. Except this service and that one" "Abortion is unforgivable baby murder! Unless the mother was raped or dying." --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:902722016] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument.</quote> Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done.</quote> Your job is your job. Do it for everyone or get a new job. "A public business should provide their services to the whole public. Except this service and that one" "Abortion is unforgivable baby murder! Unless the mother was raped or dying."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 06/07/18 3:15:51 PM #61:	hockeybub89 posted... Caution999 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument. Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done. Your job is your job. Do it for everyone or get a new job. A bartender can not do their job to everyone. --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:902722131] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument.</quote> Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done.</quote> Your job is your job. Do it for everyone or get a new job.</quote> A bartender can not do their job to everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/07/18 3:17:53 PM #62:	MedzXVIII posted... hockeybub89 posted... Caution999 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument. Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done. Your job is your job. Do it for everyone or get a new job. A bartender can not do their job to everyone. Not serving children or shit-faced people is not discrimination. Also, thanks for giving an example of the free market being regulated. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:902722256] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>MedzXVIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument.</quote> Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done.</quote> Your job is your job. Do it for everyone or get a new job.</quote> A bartender can not do their job to everyone.</quote> Not serving children or shit-faced people is not discrimination. Also, thanks for giving an example of the free market being regulated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 06/07/18 3:21:19 PM #63:	hockeybub89 posted... MedzXVIII posted... hockeybub89 posted... Caution999 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument. Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done. Your job is your job. Do it for everyone or get a new job. A bartender can not do their job to everyone. Not serving children or shit-faced people is not discrimination. Also, thanks for giving an example of the free market being regulated. Yes there are regulations --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:902722489] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MedzXVIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> This is a weird caveat like the pro-lifers who make exceptions. It fucks your whole argument.</quote> Because baking elegant wedding cakes is like art. You can't force someone to execute a piece of art when their religion is against a certain lifestyle. If the cake is already done - it's done.</quote> Your job is your job. Do it for everyone or get a new job.</quote> A bartender can not do their job to everyone.</quote> Not serving children or shit-faced people is not discrimination. Also, thanks for giving an example of the free market being regulated.</quote> Yes there are regulations</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 3:22:02 PM #64:	SageHarpuia posted... Caution999 posted... I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though. I find it sillier that a gay couple would drive past dozens of bakeries to order a wedding cake from one that doesn't support gay marriage. what if that bakery is the only one that makes the kind of cake you want? I don't care if I have to resort to trickery, I'm getting the cake I want for my wedding. These Christian bakers don't know what they're in for. I want a lemon almond cake :v with buttercream frosting. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902722542] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I will say I do think it's a little silly for a Christian bakery to refuse a gay couple to buy a cake that is already made though.</quote> I find it sillier that a gay couple would drive past dozens of bakeries to order a wedding cake from one that doesn't support gay marriage.</quote> what if that bakery is the only one that makes the kind of cake you want? I don't care if I have to resort to trickery, I'm getting the cake I want for my wedding. These Christian bakers don't know what they're in for. I want a lemon almond cake :v with buttercream frosting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaverickXeo 06/07/18 3:28:11 PM #65:	WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted... kingdrake2 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. this. Religion? Protected. Bake the cake. Gay? Protected. Bake the cake. "I don't want to make your cake because your gay." "Do it anyways!" "Okay, I'll do it, but it won't be good." That is what happens when you force people to do work they refused to do in the first place. If its a free market, they should be allowed to deny service to whoever they want. It will be on them when the customer complains to other people and the business loses further business, though. --- --- MaverickXeo --- <cite>MaverickXeo posted [p:902722914] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> this.</quote> Religion? Protected. Bake the cake. Gay? Protected. Bake the cake.</quote> "I don't want to make your cake because your gay." "Do it anyways!" "Okay, I'll do it, but it won't be good." That is what happens when you force people to do work they refused to do in the first place. If its a free market, they should be allowed to deny service to whoever they want. It will be on them when the customer complains to other people and the business loses further business, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker 06/07/18 3:28:41 PM #66:	Abyssea posted... what if They were not. The gay couple already asked other bakeries and they agreed. Abyssea posted... what if No the gay couple did not actually want a cake they wanted a lawsuit. --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:902722957] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>what if </quote> They were not. The gay couple already asked other bakeries and they agreed. <cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>what if </quote> No the gay couple did not actually want a cake they wanted a lawsuit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 3:30:28 PM #67:	HiddenLurker posted... Abyssea posted... what if They were not. The gay couple already asked other bakeries and they agreed. Abyssea posted... what if No the gay couple did not actually want a cake they wanted a lawsuit. I don't blame them for acting on principle if that was the case. Discrimination is wrong. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902723066] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>what if </quote> They were not. The gay couple already asked other bakeries and they agreed. <cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>what if </quote> No the gay couple did not actually want a cake they wanted a lawsuit.</quote> I don't blame them for acting on principle if that was the case. Discrimination is wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 3:31:04 PM #68:	MaverickXeo posted... "I don't want to make your cake because your gay." "Do it anyways!" "Okay, I'll do it, but it won't be good."That is what happens when you force people to do work they refused to do in the first place. If its a free market, they should be allowed to deny service to whoever they want. It will be on them when the customer complains to other people and the business loses further business, though. what if the cakes are already pre-made? --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902723105] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaverickXeo posted...</cite> <quote>"I don't want to make your cake because your gay." "Do it anyways!" "Okay, I'll do it, but it won't be good."That is what happens when you force people to do work they refused to do in the first place. If its a free market, they should be allowed to deny service to whoever they want. It will be on them when the customer complains to other people and the business loses further business, though.</quote> what if the cakes are already pre-made?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker 06/07/18 3:32:23 PM #69:	Abyssea posted... HiddenLurker posted... Abyssea posted... what if They were not. The gay couple already asked other bakeries and they agreed. Abyssea posted... what if No the gay couple did not actually want a cake they wanted a lawsuit. I don't blame them for acting on principle if that was the case. Discrimination is wrong. They did not act on principle. They. Already. Found. Several. Bakerys. That. Would. Have. Made. Their. Damn. Cake. They went after those guys for money and fame. --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:902723166] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>what if </quote> They were not. The gay couple already asked other bakeries and they agreed. <cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>what if </quote> No the gay couple did not actually want a cake they wanted a lawsuit.</quote> I don't blame them for acting on principle if that was the case. Discrimination is wrong.</quote> They did not act on principle. They. Already. Found. Several. Bakerys. That. Would. Have. Made. Their. Damn. Cake. They went after those guys for money and fame.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Abyssea 06/07/18 3:44:05 PM #71:	JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... Abyssea posted... I think what gay guys should start doing is bringing their best girlfriend/good Judy with them to the bakery to order the cake, and pretend it is the two of you getting married. :v then once you pick it up just cross out her name and write in the other guy's name. If you marry a guy named Adrian or Jesse you could just have her say that's her name instead and save some time. And I think you should support businesses that support you. I'll let the check bounce --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902723826] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote>I think what gay guys should start doing is bringing their best girlfriend/good Judy with them to the bakery to order the cake, and pretend it is the two of you getting married. :v then once you pick it up just cross out her name and write in the other guy's name. If you marry a guy named Adrian or Jesse you could just have her say that's her name instead and save some time.</quote> And I think you should support businesses that support you.</quote> I'll let the check bounce</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 4:03:57 PM #72:	Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? They do serve murderers all the time though... Wittingly? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:902724969] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral.</quote> Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club.</quote> Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers?</quote> They do serve murderers all the time though...</quote> Wittingly?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 4:05:30 PM #73:	Vindris_SNH posted... Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? They do serve murderers all the time though... Wittingly? Depends on how dirty they are. :v But selling a gun to a murderer is nowhere near selling a cake to a gay person. It is crazy you'd even try to make that comparison. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902725075] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral.</quote> Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club.</quote> Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers?</quote> They do serve murderers all the time though...</quote> Wittingly?</quote> Depends on how dirty they are. :v But selling a gun to a murderer is nowhere near selling a cake to a gay person. It is crazy you'd even try to make that comparison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 4:09:21 PM #75:	hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? Can convicted murderers even pass a background check? Also what is with people comparing gay people to Nazis and murderers in these debates? Is this some emotional ploy to get people to question their views or are we admitting our true feelings on gay people? I was using an example of something that everyone thinks is wrong so you can better understand how people feel when they're forced to do something they feel is morally irresponsible. A person who thinks homosexuality is immoral should not be forced to participate in the celebration of homosexuality. A person who thinks murder is wrong should not be forced to wittingly provide a murderer with a murder weapon. I'm not at all saying that I think homosexuality is as bad as murder. That's absurd. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:902725284] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral.</quote> Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club.</quote> Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers?</quote> Can convicted murderers even pass a background check? Also what is with people comparing gay people to Nazis and murderers in these debates? Is this some emotional ploy to get people to question their views or are we admitting our true feelings on gay people?</quote> I was using an example of something that everyone thinks is wrong so you can better understand how people feel when they're forced to do something they feel is morally irresponsible. A person who thinks homosexuality is immoral should not be forced to participate in the celebration of homosexuality. A person who thinks murder is wrong should not be forced to wittingly provide a murderer with a murder weapon. I'm not at all saying that I think homosexuality is as bad as murder. That's absurd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 4:12:13 PM #76:	Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? They do serve murderers all the time though... Wittingly? Depends on how dirty they are. :v But selling a gun to a murderer is nowhere near selling a cake to a gay person. It is crazy you'd even try to make that comparison. See my previous post. I'm not comparing murder and homosexuality directly. That's ridiculous. I'm giving an example that might help you understand how these Christians feel when they are told they must participate in something they believe is immoral. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:902725456] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral.</quote> Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club.</quote> Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers?</quote> They do serve murderers all the time though...</quote> Wittingly?</quote> Depends on how dirty they are. :v But selling a gun to a murderer is nowhere near selling a cake to a gay person. It is crazy you'd even try to make that comparison.</quote> See my previous post. I'm not comparing murder and homosexuality directly. That's ridiculous. I'm giving an example that might help you understand how these Christians feel when they are told they must participate in something they believe is immoral.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuia 06/07/18 5:53:32 PM #78:	Also where exactly is the line drawn on this? People ITT keep saying "you shouldn't have a business if you won't sell to everyone", but where's the line between a local bakery and, say, some dude painting signs in his garage? Could he be sued for not painting a sign for someone with whom he has a mutual dislike for when they came to him out of spite? --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:902731259] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Also where exactly is the line drawn on this? People ITT keep saying "you shouldn't have a business if you won't sell to everyone", but where's the line between a local bakery and, say, some dude painting signs in his garage? Could he be sued for not painting a sign for someone with whom he has a mutual dislike for when they came to him out of spite?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 5:56:26 PM #79:	I'd say anyone who is self-employed should have to adhere to no discrimination against protected classes. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902731420] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>I'd say anyone who is self-employed should have to adhere to no discrimination against protected classes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 06/07/18 5:58:28 PM #80:	Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. This, but religion should no longer be a protected class because it's a choice <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:902731523] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> This, but religion should no longer be a protected class because it's a choice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LRodC 06/07/18 6:23:20 PM #81:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. This, but religion should no longer be a protected class because it's a choice So is being gay. You can choose to accept liking men or not. <cite>LRodC posted [p:902732788] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> This, but religion should no longer be a protected class because it's a choice</quote> So is being gay. You can choose to accept liking men or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 06/07/18 6:25:32 PM #82:	LRodC posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. This, but religion should no longer be a protected class because it's a choice So is being gay. You can choose to accept liking men or not. Attraction is not a choice. Acting on it is, but that's irrelevant. Religion is always a choice. I chose to stop believing in fictional stories about magical sky fairies when I was 8 <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:902732921] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>LRodC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> This, but religion should no longer be a protected class because it's a choice</quote> So is being gay. You can choose to accept liking men or not.</quote> Attraction is not a choice. Acting on it is, but that's irrelevant. Religion is always a choice. I chose to stop believing in fictional stories about magical sky fairies when I was 8</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 7:00:57 PM #83:	Darklit_Minuet posted... LRodC posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. This, but religion should no longer be a protected class because it's a choice So is being gay. You can choose to accept liking men or not. Attraction is not a choice. Acting on it is, but that's irrelevant. Religion is always a choice. I chose to stop believing in fictional stories about magical sky fairies when I was 8 Religion is more than a choice. That's like calling your favorite food a choice. It's not a choice, it's just the way it is for some people. It's about what makes the most sense to them, and them not living a lie. If I experienced something that convinced me God was real, but then lived like he wasn't real, I'd be a fool. Not everyone sees things exactly the way you do. Rather than hating on what you don't fully understand, you should make an effort to accept and appreciate people for their differences. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:902734926] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LRodC posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> This, but religion should no longer be a protected class because it's a choice</quote> So is being gay. You can choose to accept liking men or not.</quote> Attraction is not a choice. Acting on it is, but that's irrelevant. Religion is always a choice. I chose to stop believing in fictional stories about magical sky fairies when I was 8</quote> Religion is more than a choice. That's like calling your favorite food a choice. It's not a choice, it's just the way it is for some people. It's about what makes the most sense to them, and them not living a lie. If I experienced something that convinced me God was real, but then lived like he wasn't real, I'd be a fool. Not everyone sees things exactly the way you do. Rather than hating on what you don't fully understand, you should make an effort to accept and appreciate people for their differences.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 06/07/18 7:05:52 PM #84:	They should be able to do whatever the shit they want. And the Christians, in this case, should be smart enough to not even go there. --- https://imgur.com/pqMQZyw <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:902735202] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>They should be able to do whatever the shit they want. And the Christians, in this case, should be smart enough to not even go there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 06/07/18 7:30:42 PM #85:	Not for being Christian. But they also shouldn't be forced to make a cake with a cross, for example. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:902736430] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Not for being Christian. But they also shouldn't be forced to make a cake with a cross, for example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 8:41:10 PM #86:	Vindris_SNH posted... Rather than hating on what you don't fully understand, you should make an effort to accept and appreciate people for their differences. If only Christians would follow suit. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902740306] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Rather than hating on what you don't fully understand, you should make an effort to accept and appreciate people for their differences. </quote> If only Christians would follow suit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 06/07/18 8:43:33 PM #87:	It's weird that you'd imply it's all Christians who do that when it's not even a majority. Hell even the pope has admitted its all God's plan. But really anyone should be able to refuse anything for any reason. It's terrible business but it's their right imo. --- "I got a rollatruc, look." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:902740419] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>It's weird that you'd imply it's all Christians who do that when it's not even a majority. Hell even the pope has admitted its all God's plan. But really anyone should be able to refuse anything for any reason. It's terrible business but it's their right imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 06/07/18 8:44:17 PM #88:	Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Rather than hating on what you don't fully understand, you should make an effort to accept and appreciate people for their differences. If only Christians would follow suit. I know gay christians. I know Christians far more tolerant than some atheists I know. Not every Christian is a homophobe buds. You're being as wilfully ignorant in this regard as the homophobic Christians you're calling out. --- "I got a rollatruc, look." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:902740459] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>Rather than hating on what you don't fully understand, you should make an effort to accept and appreciate people for their differences. </quote> If only Christians would follow suit.</quote> I know gay christians. I know Christians far more tolerant than some atheists I know. Not every Christian is a homophobe buds. You're being as wilfully ignorant in this regard as the homophobic Christians you're calling out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 8:46:38 PM #89:	CanuckCowboy posted... It's weird that you'd imply it's all Christians who do that when it's not even a majority. Hell even the pope has admitted its all God's plan. But really anyone should be able to refuse anything for any reason. It's terrible business but it's their right imo. the idea is completely facetious. :v I just think it is really backwards for businesses to refuse customers because of their sexuality. People claim the free market will sort the problem out, but in some areas that just doesn't work. If that worked we wouldn't have needed anti-discrimination laws in the first place. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902740586] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's weird that you'd imply it's all Christians who do that when it's not even a majority. Hell even the pope has admitted its all God's plan. But really anyone should be able to refuse anything for any reason. It's terrible business but it's their right imo.</quote> the idea is completely facetious. :v I just think it is really backwards for businesses to refuse customers because of their sexuality. People claim the free market will sort the problem out, but in some areas that just doesn't work. If that worked we wouldn't have needed anti-discrimination laws in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 06/07/18 8:49:13 PM #90:	Anyone should have the right to refuse service if you own the company. I don't understand how some companies can't do this when there are signs up that say they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:902740736] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Anyone should have the right to refuse service if you own the company. I don't understand how some companies can't do this when there are signs up that say they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 06/07/18 8:50:15 PM #91:	Yes. Any business should be able to deny service to whoever they want for whatever reason. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:902740798] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Yes. Any business should be able to deny service to whoever they want for whatever reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 06/07/18 8:53:36 PM #92:	Abyssea posted... CanuckCowboy posted... It's weird that you'd imply it's all Christians who do that when it's not even a majority. Hell even the pope has admitted its all God's plan. But really anyone should be able to refuse anything for any reason. It's terrible business but it's their right imo. the idea is completely facetious. :v I just think it is really backwards for businesses to refuse customers because of their sexuality. People claim the free market will sort the problem out, but in some areas that just doesn't work. If that worked we wouldn't have needed anti-discrimination laws in the first place. No. It's super not. Also do you know what facetious means? This implies that you don't. You own and run a business you can serve who you choose and take the jobs you choose. A carpenter or construction company routinely chooses what projects they take on so do electricians plumbers drywallers roofers actors tattoo artists painters and everyone else. Why the fuck should a bakery or a t shirt printing store or whatever be any different? --- "I got a rollatruc, look." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:902741017] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>It's weird that you'd imply it's all Christians who do that when it's not even a majority. Hell even the pope has admitted its all God's plan. But really anyone should be able to refuse anything for any reason. It's terrible business but it's their right imo.</quote> the idea is completely facetious. :v I just think it is really backwards for businesses to refuse customers because of their sexuality. People claim the free market will sort the problem out, but in some areas that just doesn't work. If that worked we wouldn't have needed anti-discrimination laws in the first place.</quote> No. It's super not. Also do you know what facetious means? This implies that you don't. You own and run a business you can serve who you choose and take the jobs you choose. A carpenter or construction company routinely chooses what projects they take on so do electricians plumbers drywallers roofers actors tattoo artists painters and everyone else. Why the fuck should a bakery or a t shirt printing store or whatever be any different?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillWardsPants 06/07/18 8:53:51 PM #93:	I dont think theres much of a chance that Christians are buying their wedding cakes from gay bakers. --- As a wise man once said, "Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again." <cite>BillWardsPants posted [p:902741036] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>I dont think theres much of a chance that Christians are buying their wedding cakes from gay bakers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 8:59:09 PM #94:	CanuckCowboy posted... No. It's super not. Also do you know what facetious means? This implies that you don't. You own and run a business you can serve who you choose and take the jobs you choose. A carpenter or construction company routinely chooses what projects they take on so do electricians plumbers drywallers roofers actors tattoo artists painters and everyone else. Why the f* should a bakery or a t shirt printing store or whatever be any different? I meant the premise in my opening post is facetious. I'd never seriously advocate for refusing christians at a business. The difference is that when a carpenter chooses what jobs to take on, they're doing it from a business standpoint. They're not doing it with a personal bias towards or against a certain kind of people. Imagine if a construction company refused to do any business with black people. Do you think that'd be okay? --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902741314] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote> No. It's super not. Also do you know what facetious means? This implies that you don't. You own and run a business you can serve who you choose and take the jobs you choose. A carpenter or construction company routinely chooses what projects they take on so do electricians plumbers drywallers roofers actors tattoo artists painters and everyone else. Why the f* should a bakery or a t shirt printing store or whatever be any different?</quote> I meant the premise in my opening post is facetious. I'd never seriously advocate for refusing christians at a business. The difference is that when a carpenter chooses what jobs to take on, they're doing it from a business standpoint. They're not doing it with a personal bias towards or against a certain kind of people. Imagine if a construction company refused to do any business with black people. Do you think that'd be okay?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 06/07/18 8:59:14 PM #95:	BillWardsPants posted... I dont think theres much of a chance that Christians are buying their wedding cakes from gay bakers. I don't think there's much of a chance most people know the sexualuty of their baker tbh. Lol. --- "I got a rollatruc, look." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:902741320] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillWardsPants posted...</cite> <quote>I dont think theres much of a chance that Christians are buying their wedding cakes from gay bakers.</quote> I don't think there's much of a chance most people know the sexualuty of their baker tbh. Lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 06/07/18 9:01:29 PM #96:	I don't get why people want companies to be able to discriminate. If you want to open up a business in a country, you have to follow that country's rules <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:902741436] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>I don't get why people want companies to be able to discriminate. If you want to open up a business in a country, you have to follow that country's rules</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 06/07/18 9:01:37 PM #97:	Abyssea posted... CanuckCowboy posted... No. It's super not. Also do you know what facetious means? This implies that you don't. You own and run a business you can serve who you choose and take the jobs you choose. A carpenter or construction company routinely chooses what projects they take on so do electricians plumbers drywallers roofers actors tattoo artists painters and everyone else. Why the f* should a bakery or a t shirt printing store or whatever be any different? I meant the premise in my opening post is facetious. I'd never seriously advocate for refusing christians at a business. The difference is that when a carpenter chooses what jobs to take on, they're doing it from a business standpoint. They're not doing it with a personal bias towards or against a certain kind of people. Imagine if a construction company refused to do any business with black people. Do you think that'd be okay? So when people operate a business they lose their basic freedom of choice? Neat idea. Why didn't you consider tattoo artists who refuse to do tats in certain areas or of certain things? Couldn't easily and poorly refute it huh? What if a baker didn't want to do it because they felt they lived in an area where, rightly or wrongly, word of mouth regarding said cake would cause a drop in business? Edit obviously it should always be wrongly. But I'm aware enough to realize that, horrible as it is, there probly are. --- "I got a rollatruc, look." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:902741444] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote> No. It's super not. Also do you know what facetious means? This implies that you don't. You own and run a business you can serve who you choose and take the jobs you choose. A carpenter or construction company routinely chooses what projects they take on so do electricians plumbers drywallers roofers actors tattoo artists painters and everyone else. Why the f* should a bakery or a t shirt printing store or whatever be any different?</quote> I meant the premise in my opening post is facetious. I'd never seriously advocate for refusing christians at a business. The difference is that when a carpenter chooses what jobs to take on, they're doing it from a business standpoint. They're not doing it with a personal bias towards or against a certain kind of people. Imagine if a construction company refused to do any business with black people. Do you think that'd be okay?</quote> So when people operate a business they lose their basic freedom of choice? Neat idea. Why didn't you consider tattoo artists who refuse to do tats in certain areas or of certain things? Couldn't easily and poorly refute it huh? What if a baker didn't want to do it because they felt they lived in an area where, rightly or wrongly, word of mouth regarding said cake would cause a drop in business? Edit obviously it should always be wrongly. But I'm aware enough to realize that, horrible as it is, there probly are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 06/07/18 9:02:30 PM #98:	Darklit_Minuet posted... I don't get why people want companies to be able to discriminate. If you want to open up a business in a country, you have to follow that country's rules There's a rule regarding providing a service or product to anyone who wants a specific version of said service or product you don't want to make? News to me. --- "I got a rollatruc, look." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:902741497] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get why people want companies to be able to discriminate. If you want to open up a business in a country, you have to follow that country's rules</quote> There's a rule regarding providing a service or product to anyone who wants a specific version of said service or product you don't want to make? News to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 06/07/18 9:02:49 PM #99:	CanuckCowboy posted... What if a baker didn't want to do it because they felt they lived in an area where, rightly or wrongly, word of mouth regarding said cake would cause a drop in business? The baker could argue that they were forced to make said cake, and thus their bigoted base won't have a reason not to shop there. After all, all the cake stores have to adhere to the same rules <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:902741515] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>What if a baker didn't want to do it because they felt they lived in an area where, rightly or wrongly, word of mouth regarding said cake would cause a drop in business? </quote> The baker could argue that they were forced to make said cake, and thus their bigoted base won't have a reason not to shop there. After all, all the cake stores have to adhere to the same rules</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 9:02:55 PM #100:	BillWardsPants posted... I dont think theres much of a chance that Christians are buying their wedding cakes from gay bakers. You would be surprised. There's a lot of homosexuals in the artsy fields, culinary arts included :v Hell, I'd say a good portion of wedding dresses were designed by gay men to begin with. Think about all these Christian brides who have walked down the aisle in a dress designed by a gay. Oh the humanity... --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902741522] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillWardsPants posted...</cite> <quote>I dont think theres much of a chance that Christians are buying their wedding cakes from gay bakers.</quote> You would be surprised. There's a lot of homosexuals in the artsy fields, culinary arts included :v Hell, I'd say a good portion of wedding dresses were designed by gay men to begin with. Think about all these Christian brides who have walked down the aisle in a dress designed by a gay. Oh the humanity...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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