Current Events > Trump reportedly knows children at the border are suffering...

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But doesn't want to back down because it'll make him look weak.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-doesnt-want-to-look-weak-by-stopping-family-separation-2018-6

Too late, fam.
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Well if I was one of his advisers I would definitively tell him not to back down. It's not really a good move politically for him. Blaming democrats and saying their hands are tied by the law is probably more profitable.

It's evil and machiavellian as fuck, but that's how it is.
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Why is Trump so obsessed with looking strong
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He is morally unfit to be president.
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CM_Ponch posted...

Why is Trump so obsessed with looking strong

Because he's an insecure manbaby.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

He is morally unfit to be president.

And he doesnt know what strength is.
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frozenshock posted...

Well if I was one of his advisers I would definitively tell him not to back down. It's not really a good move politically for him. Blaming democrats and saying their hands are tied by the law is probably more profitable.

It's evil and machiavellian as fuck, but that's how it is.

I suppose it could be good in the long run if the law is actually changed as a result.
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He will blame Democrats and people will believe him.

Oh and knowing when to back down is a sign of strength.
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Somewhere in life he never learned that true strength is in seeing wrong and fixing it regardless of how you may look to other people.
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He's holding children hostage and committing thousands of human Rights violations daily

All for his wall

And even if he gets the wall, he'll punish these kids

To say he deserves the death penalty for his crimes against humanity is putting it lightly
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He already looks weak by being too scared to embrace his own policy. It'd actually look better for him to back down.
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That's politics
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gunplagirl posted...

He's holding children hostage and committing thousands of human Rights violations daily

All for his wall

And even if he gets the wall, he'll punish these kids

To say he deserves the death penalty for his crimes against humanity is putting it lightly

Did you have the same to say about Obama? Seeing as it was his party that put this stuff into effect and the same stuff was happening under him as it is now.
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MuayThai85 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

He's holding children hostage and committing thousands of human Rights violations daily

All for his wall

And even if he gets the wall, he'll punish these kids

To say he deserves the death penalty for his crimes against humanity is putting it lightly

Did you have the same to say about Obama? Seeing as it was his party that put this stuff into effect and the same stuff was happening under him as it is now.

no it isnt.

thats factually untrue.

stop falling for fake news.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

He is morally unfit to be president.

According to who ?
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gunplagirl posted...

He's holding children hostage and committing thousands of human Rights violations daily

All for his wall

And even if he gets the wall, he'll punish these kids

To say he deserves the death penalty for his crimes against humanity is putting it lightly

gunplagirl's s***post n4535413, and counting.
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DarthWendy posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

He is morally unfit to be president.

According to who ?

Fucking Veggeta, dude.
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MuayThai85 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

He's holding children hostage and committing thousands of human Rights violations daily

All for his wall

And even if he gets the wall, he'll punish these kids

To say he deserves the death penalty for his crimes against humanity is putting it lightly

Did you have the same to say about Obama? Seeing as it was his party that put this stuff into effect and the same stuff was happening under him as it is now.

Splitting families didn't happen under Obama as the 100% set policy, it was generally that unaccompanied minors would be taken in long enough to determine their nation of origin and send them back.

Not to say Obama doesn't also deserve the death penalty for war crimes, and believe me he's guilty of plenty of those. But that's for a different topic.
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MuayThai85 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

He's holding children hostage and committing thousands of human Rights violations daily

All for his wall

And even if he gets the wall, he'll punish these kids

To say he deserves the death penalty for his crimes against humanity is putting it lightly

Did you have the same to say about Obama? Seeing as it was his party that put this stuff into effect and the same stuff was happening under him as it is now.

https://apnews.com/26b88518310f47018b724e200b28e88f

In 2008, President George W. Bush focused on the problem of minors crossing the border without their parents and signed a law unanimously passed by Congress that called for such "unaccompanied minors" to be released into the "least restrictive setting."

By 2014, President Barack Obama was facing an influx of both children traveling alone and families as a result of violence in Central America. At one point, his administration tried housing the families in special detention centers. But after a federal judge in California ruled the arrangement violated a long-standing agreement barring kids from jail-like settings, even with their parents, the government began releasing families in to the U.S. pending notification of their next court date.

Fast forward to Trump, who campaigned on building a border wall, and Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who derided these longtime U.S. immigration practices as "catch and release." Trump and Sessions insisted that people exploit the system, even traveling with children to ensure they aren't jailed and slipping away before their court dates.

SO DID U.S. POLICY CHANGE OR NOT?

Yes. While Trump's new immigration policy doesn't call for families to be separated, as pointed out by Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, the policy makes separations inevitable.

Following Trump's election, then-Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly now Trump's White House chief of staff floated the idea of separating families as a way to discourage illegal border crossings. But much of the administration's focus went into a travel ban aimed at Muslim-majority nations.

By this April, Sessions announced a plan: The U.S. would have "zero tolerance" for illegal crossings. If a person doesn't arrive at an appropriate port of entry to claim asylum, the crossing is deemed illegal and prosecuted even if the person does not have a criminal history. With the adult detained and facing prosecution, any minors accompanying them are taken away.

Stick to Thailand bro, you don't know what you're talking about.
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CM_Ponch posted...

Why is Trump so obsessed with looking strong

Bestoffuture posted...

Because he's an insecure manbaby.

Maybe... but it's much more than that.

Ever heard of Norman Vincent Peale? He had a huge influence on Trump's life:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Vincent_Peale

Have you ever heard Trump apologizing? The only thing we've heard from Trump that comes close to an apology was after the access hollywood tape came out - and even that wasn't really much of an apology because he immediately turned it around and said Bill Clinton did much worse.

Trump never apologizes. He never defends. He always attacks. You criticize something he did and he's not going to take his time and answer your criticism point by point like a good man. He's going to deflect and counter-attack, and make sure he always looks strong by doing so.

This is classic Peale. It's some kind of an ultimate self-confidence kind of thing. Show no weakness. Always attack.

The way Trump attacks people like Robert DeNiro on twitter is just typical of this mindset. You say something bad about me, I strike back twice as hard. His response to the Mueller investigation is also an example of this. Kellyanne Conway understood this better than anyone else. When she became Trump's campaign manager, she really took Trump's instincts and fleshed it out into a brutally effective political strategy that had the whole team on the same page.

Remember the first debate between Obama and Mitt Romney? Obama was fucking massacred. Everyone said Romney won the debate. If you took the time to fact-check everything after, you could perhaps make the point that Obama should have won "on points." But if the debate was a boxing match, Obama would've been fucking KO-d. That's because Obama was too docile, too nice, trying too hard to explain himself. Romney, however, was an attack dog.

This is what works in politics. When you explain yourself, you look weak. Romney was able to do it in the first debate against Obama, but Trump has been practicing this for almost all his life.

If you're interested in the whole Scientology thing, that attitude that Trump carries with him is actually also part of Scientology doctrine. L. Ron Hubbard made "don't ever defend, always attack" an official policy.

From L. Ron Hubbard:

In the face of danger from government or courts, there are only two errors one can make: (a) do nothing and (b) defend. The right things to do with any threat are to (1) find out if we want to play the offered game or not (2) if not, to derail the offered game with a feint or attack upon the most vulnerable point which can be disclosed in the enemy ranks (3) make enough threat or clamor to cause the enemy to quail (4) don't try to get any money out of it (5) make every attack by us also sell Scientology and (6) win. If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace. Peace is bought with an exchange of advantage, so make the advantage and then settle. Don't ever defend. Always attack. Don't ever do nothing. Unexpected attacks in the rear of the enemy's front ranks work best.

http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/quotes.html

Sounds like Trump? Trump is no Scientologist, but both Trump and Scientologists know that this strategy works.

Ever saw those videos where Scientologists scream at people "what are your crimes? what are your crimes?" That's where it comes from.

Democrats have a LOT to learn from Trump and Conway. Politics is a game and right now Trump and Conway are playing it like masters while democrats are just complaining. They need to stop complaining and start playing better.
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DarthWendy posted...

gunplagirl posted...

He's holding children hostage and committing thousands of human Rights violations daily

All for his wall

And even if he gets the wall, he'll punish these kids

To say he deserves the death penalty for his crimes against humanity is putting it lightly

gunplagirl's s***post n4535413, and counting.

I guess that the UN saying it's a human rights violation and that it violates international policy to not separate children from their parents isn't enough to give credence to the claim that he's responsible for human rights violations?
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gunplagirl is a gross tankie though.

she actually is the worst user here
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frozenshock posted...

...
L. Ron Hubbard made "don't ever defend, always attack" an official policy.

From L. Ron Hubbard
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His real name was L. Ron Hoyabembe
*toots megaphone*
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foreveraIone posted...

gunplagirl is a gross tankie though.

she actually is the worst user here

Wait you think I'm a tankie? *laughs* fuck, and I thought the guy who had a meltdown last night and said there were holocaust victims who supported the Nazis couldn't be any further disconnected from reality.
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gunplagirl posted...

foreveraIone posted...

gunplagirl is a gross tankie though.

she actually is the worst user here

Wait you think I'm a tankie? *laughs* fuck, and I thought the guy who had a meltdown last night and said there were holocaust victims who supported the Nazis couldn't be any further disconnected from reality.

dont you think the dprk is just defending itself from american imperialism?

thats like super tankie right there
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@DarthWendy posted...


Digression, but it's been a while since I saw you. I got my vagina! We are now officially sisters from other mothers. <3
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foreveraIone posted...

gunplagirl posted...

foreveraIone posted...

gunplagirl is a gross tankie though.

she actually is the worst user here

Wait you think I'm a tankie? *laughs* fuck, and I thought the guy who had a meltdown last night and said there were holocaust victims who supported the Nazis couldn't be any further disconnected from reality.

dont you think the dprk is just defending itself from american imperialism?

thats like super tankie right there

Do you understand what nuance is?

Or what american imperialism is, for that matter? And when I ask that I mean give me a 20-40 word basic rundown of it as a basic premise, not just "well of course I know"
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Sayoria posted...

@DarthWendy posted...

Digression, but it's been a while since I saw you. I got my vagina! We are now officially sisters from other mothers. <3

Sayoria being chummy friends with awful people, must be a day that ends in -y
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