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iHuman
07/02/18 8:49:49 PM
#52:


Kruppe posted...
That guy was also defending Dinesh D'Souza's tweet about burning the Jews

He didn't tweet that, he retweeted it. If you're position is so correct why do you have to lie about it?
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Kruppe
07/02/18 8:50:41 PM
#53:


iHuman posted...
Kruppe posted...
That guy was also defending Dinesh D'Souza's tweet about burning the Jews

He didn't tweet that, he retweeted it. If you're position is so correct why do you have to lie about it?

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frozenshock
07/02/18 8:51:50 PM
#54:


FLUFFYGERM posted...

Can you please try to keep up? At least try to maintain some reading comprehension. I'm not being mean or facetious, I seriously mean it - please try. Because you literally just forgot the train of thought even though it was just a few posts long.

You asked about union tyrants so I gave you a specific example. That's because you asked.

And with regards to the situation in question, I pointed out that unionizing wasn't necessary for the worker to get the correct result. There are already management processes and channels for resolving these types of situations, and the worker was treated well despite one manager abusing power.

If you have an argument for why this worker would've needed to unionize for something, I'd love to hear it. I'd also like to hear about specific examples of large unions that don't take advantage of people by wielding tremendous stagnating power and seizing people's pay for union dues. There's a reason why people leave unions when they're no longer forced to be in them, brother.


Oookay.

As soon as someone suggested unionizing you immediately went off about "union tyrants." That sounds a lot more like a general statement about unions than a comment about the specific situation of that lady.

I'm glad the upper management decided to overturn the manager's lack of judgement. Good on them.

If you think large unions just take advantage of workers, that's fine. I've heard that sort of argument a million times from people who tow the employer line and I've yet to meet someone using that kind of language being genuinely interested in discussing unions instead of just name-calling.

People have fought for decades and decades for the right to unionize. And sometimes those fights were fucking vicious and violent. In the end, it all comes down to power relationships. A guy stocking the shelves in a grocery, for example, has zero negotiating power. But a grocery needs people stocking the shelves. And so the guys stocking the shelves decide to band together and negotiate together to be able to get better conditions. That's the core of unions. And the initial response from employers and governments was extreme. It took a long time for unions to be able to even do anything.

And in the end, by negotiating together, they have the power to get much better work conditions than they would get by themselves.

But in the US, it's obviously different. The laws in the US are so unfavorable to unions that they very much lack the leverage to negotiate good CBAs for their members. Not only are such as mall percentage of US workers unionized, but also the use of scabs is pretty much unregulated. In other countries, lock outs and strikes are almost equivalent powers, but when it's so easy to use scabs then the unions lose a huge amount of leverage.

Maybe that's why so many Americans think badly of unions. They operate in such a hostile legal environment, and they get demonized nonstop.
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Delirious_Beard
07/02/18 8:53:04 PM
#55:


the irony of proudclad of all fucking people accusing others of shitposting

this board, man
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FLUFFYGERM
07/02/18 8:55:49 PM
#56:


frozenshock posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...

Can you please try to keep up? At least try to maintain some reading comprehension. I'm not being mean or facetious, I seriously mean it - please try. Because you literally just forgot the train of thought even though it was just a few posts long.

You asked about union tyrants so I gave you a specific example. That's because you asked.

And with regards to the situation in question, I pointed out that unionizing wasn't necessary for the worker to get the correct result. There are already management processes and channels for resolving these types of situations, and the worker was treated well despite one manager abusing power.

If you have an argument for why this worker would've needed to unionize for something, I'd love to hear it. I'd also like to hear about specific examples of large unions that don't take advantage of people by wielding tremendous stagnating power and seizing people's pay for union dues. There's a reason why people leave unions when they're no longer forced to be in them, brother.


Oookay.

As soon as someone suggested unionizing you immediately went off about "union tyrants." That sounds a lot more like a general statement about unions than a comment about the specific situation of that lady.

I'm glad the upper management decided to overturn the manager's lack of judgement. Good on them.

If you think large unions just take advantage of workers, that's fine. I've heard that sort of argument a million times from people who tow the employer line and I've yet to meet someone using that kind of language being genuinely interested in discussing unions instead of just name-calling.

People have fought for decades and decades for the right to unionize. And sometimes those fights were fucking vicious and violent. In the end, it all comes down to power relationships. A guy stocking the shelves in a grocery, for example, has zero negotiating power. But a grocery needs people stocking the shelves. And so the guys stocking the shelves decide to band together and negotiate together to be able to get better conditions. That's the core of unions. And the initial response from employers and governments was extreme. It took a long time for unions to be able to even do anything.

And in the end, by negotiating together, they have the power to get much better work conditions than they would get by themselves.

But in the US, it's obviously different. The laws in the US are so unfavorable to unions that they very much lack the leverage to negotiate good CBAs for their members. Not only are such as mall percentage of US workers unionized, but also the use of scabs is pretty much unregulated. In other countries, lock outs and strikes are almost equivalent powers, but when it's so easy to use scabs then the unions lose a huge amount of leverage.

Maybe that's why so many Americans think badly of unions. They operate in such a hostile legal environment, and they get demonized nonstop.


I think a lot of Americans think badly of unions because they see what massive and powerful unions do. Again,I point to the Chicago Teachers Union as an example. And if you have examples of good large and powerful unions and what they can do for the average worker, I'd like to see them.

I'm not referring to what unions did long ago, either. I know all that. I'm referring to recent years.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/02/18 8:56:03 PM
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Delirious_Beard
07/02/18 8:59:29 PM
#58:


really wish the topic wouldn't bump for invisible posts
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Zeeak4444
07/02/18 9:20:19 PM
#60:


ExtremeLuchador posted...
Stuff like this happens everywhere. US Bank made my friend come back from her honeymoon or be fired. She and her husband had to rent a car and drive 14 hours back.


Damn that's suck man. Not as bad as that but I once requested off a month ahead of time and was approved. Told the corporation I was going out of town for it and all that but would be available by phone if needed.

Someone else didn't show up or called off (I can't recall). Long story short I was called and told I'd be fired if I didn't come back and work. Cue 3 hour drive back to work the shift. The best part is the person I covered for wasn't fired. I quit as soon as I found another offer.
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myztikrice
07/02/18 9:21:03 PM
#61:


dave_is_slick posted...
GATTJT posted...
DK9292 posted...
Veggeta X posted...
om0TLFT

Justice is served

That post cut off at the bottom concerns me.

I actually REALLY want to see the full message for that, it seems like she's trying to defend the manager so I would love to see the mental gymnastics she pulls.

Anyone who puts sympathy in quotes like that after a story like this is a birch that doesn't deserve the time of day.

Are you guys insane? She's commenting on the company only firing the manager because of the publicity the story got and similar managers elsewhere are doing the same without consequence
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EternalDivide
07/02/18 9:22:58 PM
#62:


Good. Hope the hag has trouble finding work for a while.
You can bet your last cent that she was one of those types of managers that thinks they're lord almighty and that the employees are there to serve her first and not the customers.
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frozenshock
07/02/18 9:26:36 PM
#63:


FLUFFYGERM posted...

If you want "specific" examples you'd have to compare item by item the working conditions and benefits of unionized workers with a CBA and someone who's not unionized in a comparable job. You really wanna go through that trouble? Its not like you'll change your mind anyway.

Well one union group im familiar with is the TUAC here because i interned for them when i was in college many years ago. Almost all grocery workers in quebec are members of a chapter union of the TUAC. They're pretty big. And they made it pretty hard to get fired unless you screwed up. I dont know what it is now but back in 2007 there was a 1500$ per year dental plan and 2500$ of orthodontics. They negotiated a "night premium" so that the people who work nights (stocking shelves) get paid extra. Theres a good pension plan too. And more sick days. And a nice medication plan. And you want me to pull up the fucking pamplet? Point is, ive seen enough to know that the employees were better off with them than without even if theres nothing news shattering.

Anyway, we're just not gonna agree.
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Turbam
07/02/18 9:26:50 PM
#64:


I hope her son is ok
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CapnMuffin
07/02/18 9:28:57 PM
#65:


@ExtremeLuchador posted...
Stuff like this happens everywhere. US Bank made my friend come back from her honeymoon or be fired. She and her husband had to rent a car and drive 14 hours back.

Really? Kind of interested to hear the details on this (I work for US Bank)
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Trigg3rH4ppy
07/02/18 9:31:37 PM
#66:


iHuman posted...
I think people focus too much on "spiritual meanings." Holding someones hand while on life support isn't doing anything and will mean nothing.

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Knowledge_King
07/02/18 10:38:54 PM
#67:


Both are right/wrong.

Manager was too callous, just put her on unpaid leave. That way everyone wins.
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ExtremeLuchador
07/03/18 10:09:26 AM
#68:


CapnMuffin posted...
@ExtremeLuchador posted...
Stuff like this happens everywhere. US Bank made my friend come back from her honeymoon or be fired. She and her husband had to rent a car and drive 14 hours back.

Really? Kind of interested to hear the details on this (I work for US Bank)


It was a branch in Ohio. Her boss called her on her honeymoon and demanded she come in because of short-staffing. She was a supervisor. This happened in maybe 2005 or 2006.
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clearaflagrantj
07/03/18 10:11:11 AM
#69:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why unionize? The management layer already had a protocol for treating the employee well. There are already channels in place to resolve management abuses, as we see evidenced here.

Unionizing would just mean giving a chunk of each paycheck to the union tyrants for no real gain.

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Balrog0
07/03/18 10:11:27 AM
#70:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
If you have an argument for why this worker would've needed to unionize for something, I'd love to hear it.


you can't always count on social media outrage to work as a backstop for your shitty boss

theoretically you can always count on the union for that
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spudger
07/03/18 10:15:05 AM
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Thank god
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gp1829
07/03/18 2:00:47 PM
#72:


Knowledge_King posted...
Both are right/wrong.

Manager was too callous, just put her on unpaid leave. That way everyone wins.


So how does that make them both wrong and right? In what way is the mother in the wrong?
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ThyCorndog
07/03/18 2:02:18 PM
#73:


JustMyOpinion posted...
Fair, next.

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3khc
07/03/18 2:07:15 PM
#74:


Balrog0 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
If you have an argument for why this worker would've needed to unionize for something, I'd love to hear it.


you can't always count on social media outrage to work as a backstop for your shitty boss

theoretically you can always count on the union for that

This. Unions fight for workers rights. Exactly what social media did here.
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3khc
07/03/18 2:10:13 PM
#75:


Deadpool_18 posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
GATTJT posted...
DK9292 posted...
Veggeta X posted...
om0TLFT

Justice is served

That post cut off at the bottom concerns me.

I actually REALLY want to see the full message for that, it seems like she's trying to defend the manager so I would love to see the mental gymnastics she pulls.

Anyone who puts sympathy in quotes like that after a story like this is a birch that doesn't deserve the time of day.


It seems more like shes bringing attention to more injustice on this companys behalf. Not that shes demeaning the woman and her son.

Seems to me she's about to bring up how this customer was saved due to getting attention. While others were fired for similar reasons becauze they didn't make enough noise.
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TheVipaGTS
07/03/18 2:11:48 PM
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Also the chick who commented on the companys post about it...wtf. Why do people like that exist?
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Questionmarktarius
07/03/18 2:13:29 PM
#77:


JustMyOpinion posted...
Fair, next.

FMLA, next.
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Twin3Turbo
07/03/18 2:24:08 PM
#78:


Here is the full quote of the post that was cut off in the picture

Many other people had similar issues and were just fired. This one got the companys "sympathy" just because it went viral on social media.

Treat your employees like people even if they don't go public. We are humans and sometimes we need to take a short break to care for ourselves and loved ones.

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TheVipaGTS
07/03/18 2:24:24 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
Fair, next.

FMLA, next.

So rather than saying there is no reason you cant work the manager should have known about FMLA and spoke about it with the employee.
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Questionmarktarius
07/03/18 2:31:01 PM
#80:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
Fair, next.

FMLA, next.

So rather than saying there is no reason you cant work the manager should have known about FMLA and spoke about it with the employee.

Yes. Very yes.
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Sunhawk
07/03/18 2:43:59 PM
#81:


I know employees like this, or at least, I used to. They are fucking vile. I'm glad the person got fired, though. How was this not in first-tier media, though, like news channels and newspaper? I don't understand.
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Questionmarktarius
07/03/18 2:52:12 PM
#82:


Sunhawk posted...
I know employees like this, or at least, I used to. They are fucking vile. I'm glad the person got fired, though. How was this not in first-tier media, though, like news channels and newspaper? I don't understand.

Doesn't fit the current "fuck Trump / ban guns! / oooo - celebrity wedding!" media trend?
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DarthGravid
07/03/18 3:14:30 PM
#83:


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07/03/18 3:14:37 PM
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Knowledge_King
07/03/18 8:33:34 PM
#85:


gp1829 posted...
Knowledge_King posted...
Both are right/wrong.

Manager was too callous, just put her on unpaid leave. That way everyone wins.


So how does that make them both wrong and right? In what way is the mother in the wrong?


She shouldn't be given paid leave forever/special treatment IMO just because her son is dying. However the manager is right about that, but wrong about her not showing up meaning she's fired. That's just...callous and mean. And honestly helps no one.
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dib153
07/03/18 8:38:47 PM
#86:


Irony posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
Veggeta X posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
You're the one who attacked me for no reason.

@Irony


Please stop deflecting.

*flies into topic*


I lol'd
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averagejoel
07/03/18 8:59:53 PM
#87:


frozenshock posted...
If you want "specific" examples you'd have to compare item by item the working conditions and benefits of unionized workers with a CBA and someone who's not unionized in a comparable job. You really wanna go through that trouble? Its not like you'll change your mind anyway.

FWIW it's been pretty well documented that the presence of a union benefits all the workers, even the non-unionized ones.
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Balrog0
07/05/18 1:07:29 PM
#88:


averagejoel posted...
frozenshock posted...
If you want "specific" examples you'd have to compare item by item the working conditions and benefits of unionized workers with a CBA and someone who's not unionized in a comparable job. You really wanna go through that trouble? Its not like you'll change your mind anyway.

FWIW it's been pretty well documented that the presence of a union benefits all the workers, even the non-unionized ones.


isn't that because unions have traditionally negotiated for all workers, and charged non-membership fees for doing so?

not saying whether that's bad or good, but the court just made that harder to do so I wonder how public unions are going to work going forward
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