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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:14:48 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I'm not saying his plan wasn't rational from a psychotic and racist presupposition, he's a perfectly plausible villain.
It's just a piece of shit on literally every level. He's a racist murder and genocidal maniac, and frankly, heretical and without honor or respect for religion or the line of succession, given that he burned flowers gifted from a god.

His motivations are basically no different from Andrew Jackson.
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averagejoel
07/03/18 11:15:18 PM
#53:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I'm not saying his plan wasn't rational from a psychotic and racist presupposition, he's a perfectly plausible villain.
It's just a piece of shit on literally every level. He's a racist murder and genocidal maniac, and frankly, heretical and without honor or respect for religion or the line of succession, given that he burned flowers gifted from a god.

His motivations are basically no different from Hitler's.

lol

there are legitimate criticisms of Killmonger's character, but you brought up exactly 0 of them
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:15:51 PM
#54:


Zikten posted...
no its just what you read into it cause you don't get what I am saying. you seem to think black people can do no wrong and your defending an insane supervillain just cause he is black and you think he deserved to win or something. the hero was also black. and I sided with the hero.


Absolutely not, I just think his motivations are reasonable Not as opposed to Thanos who can literally snap landscapes full of resources
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AvantgardeAClue
07/03/18 11:16:10 PM
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Did nobody forget how Killmonger literally wanted to supply various countries with advanced weaponry so they could overthrow governments regardless of their standing with Wakanda

At least Thanos has an end goal
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Darmik
07/03/18 11:16:46 PM
#56:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
Did nobody forget how Killmonger literally wanted to supply various countries with advanced weaponry so they could overthrow governments regardless of their standing with Wakanda

At least Thanos has an end goal


Sounds like the United States.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 11:16:57 PM
#57:


Andrew Jackson was a piece of shit but he wasn't attempting a unilateral global takeover from the creation of an ethnostate.
Unlike Killmonger and Hitler.
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BuckVanHammer
07/03/18 11:17:37 PM
#58:


See all the hate in here for killmonger, pretty much proves he's a better villain.
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:17:37 PM
#59:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Andrew Jackson was a piece of shit but he wasn't attempting a unilateral global takeover from the creation of an ethnostate.
Unlike Killmonger and Hitler.


Youre hilarious dude lol
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:18:06 PM
#60:


BuckVanHammer posted...
See all the hate in here for killmonger, pretty much proves he's a better villain.


White people get threatened by fantasy scenarios makes me lol

Ps Im latino
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boxington
07/03/18 11:18:17 PM
#61:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
Did nobody forget how Killmonger literally wanted to supply various countries with advanced weaponry so they could overthrow governments regardless of their standing with Wakanda

At least Thanos has an end goal

his end goal was empowering black people worldwide
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 11:18:26 PM
#62:


averagejoel posted...

lol

there are legitimate criticisms of Killmonger's character, but you brought up exactly 0 of them


What do you mean by character?

Character as in fictional creation or his character, like personal ethics and behavior? I'm not criticizing him as a creation . . . did you even fucking read what I said?
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:18:39 PM
#63:


boxington posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Did nobody forget how Killmonger literally wanted to supply various countries with advanced weaponry so they could overthrow governments regardless of their standing with Wakanda

At least Thanos has an end goal

his end goal was empowering oppressed people worldwide
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ProtoManSPx
07/03/18 11:19:03 PM
#64:


BuckVanHammer posted...
See all the hate in here for killmonger, pretty much proves he's a better villain.
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AmericaTheBrave
07/03/18 11:19:34 PM
#65:


Milkman5 posted...
Im not a black nationalist, so I didnt find Killmonger relatable...


You're not a psycho god either (I'm assuming) so I hope you don't relate to Thanos.
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Zikten
07/03/18 11:19:59 PM
#66:


soulunison2 posted...
BuckVanHammer posted...
See all the hate in here for killmonger, pretty much proves he's a better villain.


White people get threatened by fantasy scenarios makes me lol

Ps Im latino

Killmonger would have oppressed you
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:20:22 PM
#67:


Zikten posted...
soulunison2 posted...
BuckVanHammer posted...
See all the hate in here for killmonger, pretty much proves he's a better villain.


White people get threatened by fantasy scenarios makes me lol

Assuming youre Asian and depending on your location you might also be suffering from an oppressive system and refuse to accept it
Ps Im latino

Killmonger would have oppressed you


Black people arent the only people that are oppressed dude lmao
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AmericaTheBrave
07/03/18 11:21:08 PM
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Honestly, not being able to relate to Killmonger because he's black is pretty dumb.

He can represent any number of oppressed groups, including ones whites are a part of.

He's very similar to Magneto in a way.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 11:21:23 PM
#69:


soulunison2 posted...
Black people arent the only people that are oppressed dude lmao


I'm sure Killmonger has tons of sympathy for the poor Appalachians . . .
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
07/03/18 11:21:25 PM
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Thanos was a good guy.

He did the simple calculus to determine the resources of the universe were finite and the universe would go extinct without intervention.

He sacrificed the one thing he loved to save the universe losing everything in the process.

He new most wouldn't do. This but the hardest choices require the strongest wills. His will was strong and his motives pure.

He wrecked the hulk. He beat Iron man, spider man, Dr strange and the guardians at the same time.

He's the baddest man on the planet and he's trying to save the universe.

Kill monger is some ex special forces guy who wants to genocide everyone but black people because he had a rough childhood and would literally be cannon fodder agsint anyone that wasn't a powered down black panther and even then the fight wasn't super one-sided.
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Zikten
07/03/18 11:21:51 PM
#71:


soulunison2 posted...
Zikten posted...
soulunison2 posted...
BuckVanHammer posted...
See all the hate in here for killmonger, pretty much proves he's a better villain.


White people get threatened by fantasy scenarios makes me lol

Assuming youre Asian and depending on your location you might also be suffering from an oppressive system and refuse to accept it
Ps Im latino

Killmonger would have oppressed you


Black people arent the only people that are oppressed dude lmao


I didn't say they were. I'm saying that in Killmonger world empire, only black people would be in power.
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:22:18 PM
#72:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
soulunison2 posted...
Black people arent the only people that are oppressed dude lmao


I'm sure Killmonger has tons of sympathy for the poor Appalachians . . .


Seriously the fact that people paint this as a black and white issue really dont see the world past what they know
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Darmik
07/03/18 11:22:25 PM
#73:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
soulunison2 posted...
Black people arent the only people that are oppressed dude lmao


I'm sure Killmonger has tons of sympathy for the poor Appalachians . . .


Worst case scenario (after the uprising that is) is that nothing changes for them lol
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 11:23:30 PM
#74:


Now the narrative is that he was a fighter for the oppressed?
Aiight, I'm tapping out, this shit is too dumb and not interesting enough. You trolled too hard.
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:23:41 PM
#75:


Zikten posted...
soulunison2 posted...
Zikten posted...
soulunison2 posted...
BuckVanHammer posted...
See all the hate in here for killmonger, pretty much proves he's a better villain.


White people get threatened by fantasy scenarios makes me lol

Assuming youre Asian and depending on your location you might also be suffering from an oppressive system and refuse to accept it
Ps Im latino

Killmonger would have oppressed you


Black people arent the only people that are oppressed dude lmao


I didn't say they were. I'm saying that in Killmonger world empire, only black people would be in power.


He wants to empower the oppressed dude -
Overthrow the status quo
Realistically his only goal was to overturn governments - oppression is more than blacks vs whites its everyone vs them the fact that you fail to see that makes me lol go back to your bubble dude
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:23:55 PM
#76:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Now the narrative is that he was a fighter for the oppressed?
Aiight, I'm tapping out, this shit is too dumb and not interesting enough. You trolled too hard.


It always has been
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AvantgardeAClue
07/03/18 11:24:00 PM
#77:


Darmik posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Did nobody forget how Killmonger literally wanted to supply various countries with advanced weaponry so they could overthrow governments regardless of their standing with Wakanda

At least Thanos has an end goal


Sounds like the United States.


Ow the edge

BP was classy enough to not indulge in any allegory at the very least
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boxington
07/03/18 11:24:53 PM
#78:


soulunison2 posted...
boxington posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Did nobody forget how Killmonger literally wanted to supply various countries with advanced weaponry so they could overthrow governments regardless of their standing with Wakanda

At least Thanos has an end goal

his end goal was empowering oppressed people worldwide

I feel like they used "oppressed" in the place of black in the movie because it's still a Marvel/Disney movie
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Anarchy_Juiblex
07/03/18 11:26:55 PM
#79:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
Darmik posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Did nobody forget how Killmonger literally wanted to supply various countries with advanced weaponry so they could overthrow governments regardless of their standing with Wakanda

At least Thanos has an end goal


Sounds like the United States.


Ow the edge

BP was classy enough to not indulge in any allegory at the very least


Just when I thought I was out . . .

Edge? Killmonger literally said he learned it from the CIA. It should have helped illustrate his hypocrisy . . .
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awesome999
07/03/18 11:27:19 PM
#80:


There are people her who are unironically arguing Killmonger was right

I know soul unison is joking though, the emoji is a tell tale
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:28:38 PM
#81:


awesome999 posted...
There are people her who are unironically arguing Killmonger was right

I know soul unison is joking though, the emoji is a tell tale


I never said he was right (and I dont think anyone here ever said he was right) I said his motivations were warranted given his situation and upbringing

But I suppose reading is difficult for most users on this forum
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averagejoel
07/03/18 11:29:26 PM
#82:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
averagejoel posted...

lol

there are legitimate criticisms of Killmonger's character, but you brought up exactly 0 of them


What do you mean by character?

Character as in fictional creation or his character, like personal ethics and behavior? I'm not criticizing him as a creation . . . did you even fucking read what I said?

yeah that was my bad. I did mean ethics and behaviour
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Darmik
07/03/18 11:29:50 PM
#83:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Darmik posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Did nobody forget how Killmonger literally wanted to supply various countries with advanced weaponry so they could overthrow governments regardless of their standing with Wakanda

At least Thanos has an end goal


Sounds like the United States.


Ow the edge

BP was classy enough to not indulge in any allegory at the very least


Just when I thought I was out . . .

Edge? Killmonger literally said he learned it from the CIA. It should have helped illustrate his hypocrisy . . .


Yeah Bilbo Baggins said it too lol. Not sure how he missed that.
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Zikten
07/03/18 11:32:48 PM
#84:


soulunison2 posted...
Zikten posted...
soulunison2 posted...
Zikten posted...
soulunison2 posted...
BuckVanHammer posted...
See all the hate in here for killmonger, pretty much proves he's a better villain.


White people get threatened by fantasy scenarios makes me lol

Assuming youre Asian and depending on your location you might also be suffering from an oppressive system and refuse to accept it
Ps Im latino

Killmonger would have oppressed you


Black people arent the only people that are oppressed dude lmao


I didn't say they were. I'm saying that in Killmonger world empire, only black people would be in power.


He wants to empower the oppressed dude -
Overthrow the status quo
Realistically his only goal was to overturn governments - oppression is more than blacks vs whites its everyone vs them the fact that you fail to see that makes me lol go back to your bubble dude

he only cares about oppression to black people. he said it in the movie very clearly. he wanted to make a black world and fuck everyone else. he was not going to rise any other group out of oppression. only black people. and once in power he would do the same thing to those other groups as white people do. you keep saying I am thinking in black and white but I seem to be the only one thinking about for example asians. and you are only concerned with oppressed blacks.
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Zikten
07/03/18 11:34:25 PM
#85:


I may be white but I have an adopted asian sister. so I am not as "only white thinking" as you assume. Killmonger would not help my sister
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Bishop9800
07/03/18 11:35:42 PM
#86:


Zikten posted...
I may be white but I have an adopted asian sister.

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The one you want to have sex with?
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ProtoManSPx
07/03/18 11:36:13 PM
#87:


Calm down Zitken, it's just a movie bro
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awesome999
07/03/18 11:44:13 PM
#88:


soulunison2 posted...
But I suppose reading is difficult for most users on this forum

You're telling me
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I Like Toast
07/03/18 11:46:00 PM
#89:


Because he had charisma
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soulunison2
07/03/18 11:48:29 PM
#90:


Zikten posted...
I may be white but I have an adopted asian sister. so I am not as "only white thinking" as you assume. Killmonger would not help my sister


This is the I have black friends argument
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cerealbox760
07/03/18 11:53:11 PM
#91:


Thanos wasnt all that crazy. Have you ever been stuck in LA traffic? Thanos has a pretty good idea on how to solve LA traffic. Killmonger would make traffic worse because more people would be alive and then I would be late to work again. Im with Thanos
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boxington
07/03/18 11:53:48 PM
#92:


cerealbox760 posted...
Thanos wasnt all that crazy. Have you ever been stuck in LA traffic? Thanos has a pretty good idea on how to solve LA traffic. Killmonger would make traffic worse because more people would be alive and then I would late to work again. Im with Thanos

I posted this in the other topic

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Zikten
07/03/18 11:54:09 PM
#93:


soulunison2 posted...
Zikten posted...
I may be white but I have an adopted asian sister. so I am not as "only white thinking" as you assume. Killmonger would not help my sister


This is the I have black friends argument


it doesn't matter. I have a very clear memory of KIllmonger saying he only cared about black people. you say it went over my head but it's you it went over. he had no plans to help other races. only black people. watch the movie again
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Skye Reynolds
07/04/18 12:04:23 AM
#94:


For one thing, Thanos is purple. And he has a wrinkly chin. It's hard to take the guy seriously when he looks like one of the California Raisins.
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Knowledge_King
07/04/18 11:48:12 AM
#95:


Thanos was better. Killmonger got too Disney evil at the end.
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CommonStar
07/04/18 12:02:57 PM
#96:


I thought Killmonger was a pretty good villain. He was relatable minus his "race war" solution which leads to the audience rooting against him. But I think he sort of succeeded in the end as he made T'Challa question his own values and even took some of his ideas into account by revealing themselves to the world.
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Relient_K
07/04/18 1:16:06 PM
#97:


Thanos is one of my favorite villains in general. I like reading comics about him.

For MCU the best villain has probably been Loki.
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