Poll of the Day > Who here wants roe v. wade overturned?

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Iirc the majority of americans do not but there will be a conservative majority on the s.c.

I do not want Roe vs. Wade overturned.

The only thing it did was make abortions in the first trimester allowed. There aren't brain waves until about halfway through a pregnancy, so there's nothing wrong with terminating a pregnancy before that point. There isn't a mind in there, so there isn't a person. A mouse is closer to personhood than a first-trimester fetus. As long as mouse traps are legal, early-term abortions should be legal.

On the matter of later-term abortions, I don't feel that those should be elective because I do think that once a fetus has a mind, it should have rights. They may have very rudimentary minds at the 4.5-5 month stage, but I feel that there is intrinsic value to a mind and should be given some rights and respect. That being said, nobody aborts a fetus that far along without medical necessity. All abortions that late are tragedies, because they were wanted and loved children. I've personally seen people I care about be hurt by restrictive laws that shamed them for having to end a pregnancy that they wanted to keep, but couldn't. As someone who's about to see my new daughter born within a week, I can't imagine losing her and then being shamed on top of that.

it's sucks what they are doing in most state anyway. they make it extremely hard to even get an abortion.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/wrmpe9/the-opposition-with-jordan-klepper-mississippi-s-last-abortion-provider

I remember the texas fight where Rick Perry and Ted Cruz teamed up to make only 2 abortion clinics in the whole states, about3 years ago. they had a ton of people opposing them. The Supreme Court had to get involve to overturn it.
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ernieforss posted...

it's sucks what they are doing in most state anyway. they make it extremely hard to even get an abortion.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/wrmpe9/the-opposition-with-jordan-klepper-mississippi-s-last-abortion-provider

I remember the texas fight where Rick Perry and Ted Cruz teamed up to make only 2 abortion clinics in the whole states, about3 years ago. they had a ton of people opposing them. The Supreme Court had to get involve to overturn it.

really? didn't read that, so there are much more than 2 in the state now, as big as texas is? And lemme guess cruz and perry have no problem with drastically cutting funding for social aid programs for those kids too am i right?

yes there are more than two now since the law didn't go through.

of course they have no problems cutting funds and taking money from the NRA and Telcom companies.
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My pussy my choice.
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I don't want it to be, but what would realistically happen if it was?
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Peterass posted...

I don't want it to be, but what would realistically happen if it was?

i've heard many say that it would leave it up to the states, so a very conservative state may ban it

Peterass posted...

I don't want it to be, but what would realistically happen if it was?

It would get overturned when another judge retires.
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Zangulus posted...

Ive read a few articles saying it wont be that easy. That just having a majority that would vote it down isnt inherently enough to do so. First there would be a reason theyd have to hear the case. And then to remove whats already an established and protected right is a whole new level. It already has precedence, and thats basically the backbone of our judicial system. To basically throw something out could legitimately cause chaos and allow for judges to rule because they felt like it rather than based of established law.

Then the same thing applies to it getting overturned in the first place.
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they can take my abortions from my cold, dead fetus hands
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Only in exchange for universal healthcare.
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Zangulus posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Zangulus posted...

Ive read a few articles saying it wont be that easy. That just having a majority that would vote it down isnt inherently enough to do so. First there would be a reason theyd have to hear the case. And then to remove whats already an established and protected right is a whole new level. It already has precedence, and thats basically the backbone of our judicial system. To basically throw something out could legitimately cause chaos and allow for judges to rule because they felt like it rather than based of established law.

Then the same thing applies to it getting overturned in the first place.

Thats.... exactly what I said.

Yeah. I think he's saying that even though it has to go through all that to get overturned, it can go through it all again to overturned again. It would probably be easier to get it back if it goes away, tbh. Well, I think it would...
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I support Roe v Wade, but I would be very interested to see what happens to america's political landscape if it was overturned.
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start using contraceptives,this is the new america you idiots voted for.they're telling you what you're going to do now.

I want abortions to be completely legal, but for people to finally admit that it is murder and that humans are ok with murdering babies for personal convenience. We all know you lot have done far more reprehensible deeds, after all.

Humans are scum and should embrace it wholeheartedly if they want to have a chance at competing with the other enlightened species out here.

Id love to live in a world where we never even had to have it in the first place. a world where no one ever feels a need to get an abortion except out of medical necessity. Sadly, the people who are most opposed to abortion are also most opposed to the things that'd help bring about such a world.

Until we do reach that point, things such as roe v. wade are sadly necessary.
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Zangulus posted...

By his use in the first place belies that though.

As in it is never getting repealed in the first place.

C-Raine posted...

I want abortions to be completely legal, but for people to finally admit that it is murder and that humans are ok with murdering babies for personal convenience. We all know you lot have done far more reprehensible deeds, after all.

Humans are scum and should embrace it wholeheartedly if they want to have a chance at competing with the other enlightened species out here.

Too bad the actual definition of murder and baby means your post is stupid.
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How many troll topics have you made about this nonsense so far? It's never happening-- or, at least, not within any of our lifetimes.
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@C-Raine

Damn, that's cold. They could have an abortion out of responsibility, which makes them less human scum.

But i'm more afraid that once it goes away the illegal clinic will pop back up and more pregnant woman will die. Abortions clinic still existed without roe v wade, they were a lot less safe than they are now.
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Doesn't bother me if it is or isn't overturned.

I don't think the SC is as biased as some people think. They've reached the very top of the legal profession and have a job for life. They don't need to pander to anyone. Sure they can be conservative or liberal in their views but they don't need to tow any party line.
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Duck-Butter posted...

start using contraceptives,this is the new america you idiots voted for.they're telling you what you're going to do now.

That's the next thing on these people's agenda to ban all contraceptives I mean. They already humiliate women who go into a pharmacy to ask for any pill that might terminate a pregnancy, no matter if a doctor orders it or not, under the guise of 'offending the pharmacists' religious beliefs' but that same pharmacist will fill a man's Viagra perscription without a qualm. Double standard anyone?

Duck-Butter posted...

start using contraceptives,this is the new america you idiots voted for.they're telling you what you're going to do now.

no contraceptives are 100%
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

Duck-Butter posted...

start using contraceptives,this is the new america you idiots voted for.they're telling you what you're going to do now.

no contraceptives are 100%

so what if they aren't 100 percent? iirc usually condoms fail because of user error also

GastroFan posted...

That's the next thing on these people's agenda to ban all contraceptives I mean. They already humiliate women who go into a pharmacy to ask for any pill that might terminate a pregnancy, no matter if a doctor orders it or not, under the guise of 'offending the pharmacists' religious beliefs' but that same pharmacist will fill a man's Viagra perscription without a qualm. Double standard anyone?

Those pharmacists who refused to fill out birth control prescriptions have been fired before.
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This is basic theist thinking - they glue to roe v. wade for abortions the same way they glue to Darwin for evolution complaints.

The modern consensus is not the past consensus
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waterdeepchu posted...

Id love to live in a world where we never even had to have it in the first place. a world where no one ever feels a need to get an abortion except out of medical necessity. Sadly, the people who are most opposed to abortion are also most opposed to the things that'd help bring about such a world.

Until we do reach that point, things such as roe v. wade are sadly necessary.

So... "whatever, but you feel bad"?
Did you just invent conserberal?

Revelation34 posted...

GastroFan posted...

That's the next thing on these people's agenda to ban all contraceptives I mean. They already humiliate women who go into a pharmacy to ask for any pill that might terminate a pregnancy, no matter if a doctor orders it or not, under the guise of 'offending the pharmacists' religious beliefs' but that same pharmacist will fill a man's Viagra perscription without a qualm. Double standard anyone?

Those pharmacists who refused to fill out birth control prescriptions have been fired before.

When was the last time one of them was fired for not filling a birth control perscription? I haven't heard of that happening ever since the 'religious objection' clause was instituted a couple of years ago by the courts.

GastroFan posted...

Revelation34 posted...

GastroFan posted...

That's the next thing on these people's agenda to ban all contraceptives I mean. They already humiliate women who go into a pharmacy to ask for any pill that might terminate a pregnancy, no matter if a doctor orders it or not, under the guise of 'offending the pharmacists' religious beliefs' but that same pharmacist will fill a man's Viagra perscription without a qualm. Double standard anyone?

Those pharmacists who refused to fill out birth control prescriptions have been fired before.

When was the last time one of them was fired for not filling a birth control perscription? I haven't heard of that happening ever since the 'religious objection' clause was instituted a couple of years ago by the courts.

then they are supposed to go to another pharmacy or do they have another pharmacist do it?

CwebbMichSac4 posted...

GastroFan posted...

Revelation34 posted...

GastroFan posted...

That's the next thing on these people's agenda to ban all contraceptives I mean. They already humiliate women who go into a pharmacy to ask for any pill that might terminate a pregnancy, no matter if a doctor orders it or not, under the guise of 'offending the pharmacists' religious beliefs' but that same pharmacist will fill a man's Viagra perscription without a qualm. Double standard anyone?

Those pharmacists who refused to fill out birth control prescriptions have been fired before.

When was the last time one of them was fired for not filling a birth control perscription? I haven't heard of that happening ever since the 'religious objection' clause was instituted a couple of years ago by the courts.

then they are supposed to go to another pharmacy or do they have another pharmacist do it?

So... the same thing that happens when I try to buy beer at a walmart, but the cashier with the obviously mid-eastern nametag calls over the CSM?
On that note, kinda, why are 19-year-old cashiers legally obligated to do the same? Just scan the damn UPC and take my money.

People get abortions even when it isnt legal

Better to keep it legal so they can get them safely
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Maybe I need to invest in pennyroyal and st john's wort futures.
Do those even exist?

GastroFan posted...

When was the last time one of them was fired for not filling a birth control perscription? I haven't heard of that happening ever since the 'religious objection' clause was instituted a couple of years ago by the courts.

Well I said before. That's a bad law and they all deserve to be fired.
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SushiSquid posted...

The only thing it did was make abortions in the first trimester allowed. There aren't brain waves until about halfway through a pregnancy, so there's nothing wrong with terminating a pregnancy before that point. There isn't a mind in there, so there isn't a person. A mouse is closer to personhood than a first-trimester fetus. As long as mouse traps are legal, early-term abortions should be legal.

On the matter of later-term abortions, I don't feel that those should be elective because I do think that once a fetus has a mind, it should have rights. They may have very rudimentary minds at the 4.5-5 month stage, but I feel that there is intrinsic value to a mind and should be given some rights and respect. That being said, nobody aborts a fetus that far along without medical necessity. All abortions that late are tragedies, because they were wanted and loved children. I've personally seen people I care about be hurt by restrictive laws that shamed them for having to end a pregnancy that they wanted to keep, but couldn't. As someone who's about to see my new daughter born within a week, I can't imagine losing her and then being shamed on top of that.

Yea but a mouse doesn't have the potential to grow into a human being. The way I look at it you are plucking out human potential.

Zikten posted...

Yea but a mouse doesn't have the potential to grow into a human being. The way I look at it you are plucking out human potential.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/41/Appeal-to-Possibility
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My comment on this is that not all people should be parents, the system for unwanted children is hell, and not all lives are worth living.

Plus the aforementioned lack of brain waves.

I've done everything possible to prevent pregnancy in my life, including abstinence and my husband having a vasectomy. If I got pregnant anyway, I think I would DESERVE an abortion. :P
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Moonjay posted...

I think I would DESERVE an abortion.

Nobody does, at least not when my money's involved.
(obvious exception for when I'm directly responsible for the situation)

Moonjay posted...

If I got pregnant anyway, I think I would DESERVE an abortion. :P

You're really gonna set the incels off with this one, hoo boy
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Zikten posted...

Yea but a mouse doesn't have the potential to grow into a human being. The way I look at it you are plucking out human potential.

Better not ever masturbate, then. Or use any birth control.

Is it normal to not have a stance on this moral dilemma?

I mean I'm not a pregnant woman and I'm not a man expecting a kid anytime soon.

NeoSioType posted...

Is it normal to not have a stance on this moral dilemma?

No.
You have to pick a side, and then scream at the other!

Questionmarktarius posted...

Moonjay posted...

I think I would DESERVE an abortion.

Nobody does, at least not when my money's involved.
(obvious exception for when I'm directly responsible for the situation)

I have good insurance and my husband's money, dude. :P

PuddingBoy posted...

Moonjay posted...

If I got pregnant anyway, I think I would DESERVE an abortion. :P

You're really gonna set the incels off with this one, hoo boy

The fuck would that have to do with incels? Do they have some weird hangups about pregnancy now too?
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CwebbMichSac4 posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

Duck-Butter posted...

start using contraceptives,this is the new america you idiots voted for.they're telling you what you're going to do now.

no contraceptives are 100%

so what if they aren't 100 percent? iirc usually condoms fail because of user error also

So? That just means that none of them are 100%. Even when the condom user does everything perfectly. And the woman can still end up pregnant...

Mead posted...

People get abortions even when it isnt legal

Better to keep it legal so they can get them safely

I agree!

Questionmarktarius posted...

Moonjay posted...

I think I would DESERVE an abortion.

Nobody does, at least not when my money's involved.
(obvious exception for when I'm directly responsible for the situation)

So as long as they don't use your money, everybody does deserve one, right?
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Mead posted...

People get abortions even when it isnt legal

Better to keep it legal so they can get them safely

true, same with guns.