Current Events > Well guys, it's official: Fallout New Vegas is the first ever video game to give

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me a moral choice where it's not immediately obvious to me what I should be choosing.

I'm in the Return to Sender quest, talking to Chief Hanlon
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Can you guys get off this game's hype? Sheesh. This is like the Rashida jones of video games to yall or some shit.
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If you have Chief Hanlon kill himself by choosing to reveal his meddling, you can get his rare Ranger Sequoia pistol. I think the person who eventually comes in to see the scene will confiscate it, though, so you'll have to be quick about it!
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Veggeta X posted...

Can you guys get off this game's hype? Sheesh. This is like the Rashida jones of video games to yall or some shit.

Sir/Madam/Other. We would like to inform you that henceforth we will continue to like what you don't. That is all, good day.

Have you played Witcher 3? I feel like that game was full of morally ambiguous decisions.
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LookANinja posted...

Have you played Witcher 3? I feel like that game was full of morally ambiguous decisions.

Oh fuck yes.
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I hate ambiguity. You should have the option of throwing him a parade or blowing up the entire town. Nothing else.
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Veggeta X posted...

Can you guys get off this game's hype? Sheesh. This is like the Rashida jones of video games to yall or some shit.

It's a great game. So shut the fuck up
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The choice seemed obvious to me confronts him tell him the Legion doesn't have much time left and that he knock off his sabotage then win the war for the NCR
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Very well crafted quests in that game. I really like how every major faction (except maybe the Legion) falls under various shades of gray. You can pick who to side with based on your personal preferences as a person or how you want to RP your character.
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YourDrunkFather posted...

Veggeta X posted...

Can you guys get off this game's hype? Sheesh. This is like the Rashida jones of video games to yall or some shit.

It's a great game. So shut the fuck up

If it was a Capcom game fake Vegy would be singing its praises nonstop
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someone's never played PWAA:JFA
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In heavy rain I had to stop and think of id chop off my hand to find my son

Granted I understand it's easy to disconnect its a game, but for the most part I try to think what I would do in the situation instead of thinking what the character should do.
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It sounds like the gamer gods are trying to get people to stop clinging to their everyday minds by shocking them.
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Deus Ex HR ML has the prisoners vs. whistlerblower.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I have a hard time separating myself from the character when ethical choices are presented.

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The easiest choice in the game:

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Nier Automata had a good one too with the Pascal choice

MC_BatCommander posted...

Very well crafted quests in that game. I really like how every major faction (except maybe the Legion) falls under various shades of gray. You can pick who to side with based on your personal preferences as a person or how you want to RP your character.

Sadly the Legion was a victim of the ridiculously short development period they were given by Bethesda. They wanted to do a lot more with the Legion including showing how life is in lands already run by them rather than just the frontline war effort we did get.

Despite that it's still very impressive how much and the quality of the quests they did manage to get into the game.
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uh...

if you've already caused caesar's death, you can talk him down--the golden ending of that quest line.

teepan95 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I have a hard time separating myself from the character when ethical choices are presented.

you don't have to chop off your finger (not hand) to find shaun. there are two alternative methods--if you've done at least 3-4 trials successfully, you can piece it together, and if you've saved madison, she can tell you. it's also not the most horrible thing you have to do to save him--the following test makes you kill a person for real, and the final test makes you drink a fatal vial of poison.

heavy rain has a lot of nested 'if' statements in the plot.
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If you had killed Caesar first, you could have convinced him to abandon his fatalistic outlook and make things right without committing suicide.
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Garioshi posted...

someone's never played PWAA:JFA

Not Guilty is such an easy pick

LookANinja posted...

Have you played Witcher 3? I feel like that game was full of morally ambiguous decisions.

I think the first two games did it better
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Did anyone else think he was gonna say "me a boner"?

The first Mass Effect had at least three tough choices.

There was the Rachni queen (wipe out a dangerous species or let it live), Ashley vs. Kaiden, and a few choices about the council at the end.

Authentic_fan posted...

Nier Automata had a good one too with the Pascal choice

God damn that was cruel.
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I'm not clicking on any spoilers btw
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dave_is_slick posted...

Authentic_fan posted...

Nier Automata had a good one too with the Pascal choice

God damn that was cruel.

I actually regretted my decision afterwards and seriously gave it some thought lol

Asherlee10 posted...

I Like Toast posted...

In heavy rain I had to stop and think of id chop off my hand to find my son

Granted I understand it's easy to disconnect its a game, but for the most part I try to think what I would do in the situation instead of thinking what the character should do.

I have a hard time separating myself from the character when ethical choices are presented. I will almost never play the dark side or be evil in video games. I can't live with it.

yeah i was like that, when i was a child.

People bring up that one forced choice in Mass Effect as a tough call, but for me it was as simple as 'the bomb is the mission, that's where I'll go'.
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DuneMan posted...

People bring up that one forced choice in Mass Effect as a tough call, but for me it was as simple as 'the bomb is the mission, that's where I'll go'.

yeah it's only hard if you are weird and fall in love with video game characters. I personally, don't have this problem.

MC_BatCommander posted...

Very well crafted quests in that game. I really like how every major faction (except maybe the Legion) falls under various shades of gray. You can pick who to side with based on your personal preferences as a person or how you want to RP your character.

This. I chose BoS. They're assholes, but get all the cool toys and bunkers.

WarDog2016 posted...

DuneMan posted...

People bring up that one forced choice in Mass Effect as a tough call, but for me it was as simple as 'the bomb is the mission, that's where I'll go'.

yeah it's only hard if you are weird and fall in love with video game characters. I personally, don't have this problem.

It's called empathy.
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Doe posted...

Garioshi posted...

someone's never played PWAA:JFA

Not Guilty is such an easy pick

LookANinja posted...

Have you played Witcher 3? I feel like that game was full of morally ambiguous decisions.

I think the first two games did it better

Also agree the earlier two games did a better job. I think 1 was the best written in this regard. It was too easy to save scum in 2 :\
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Witcher 1 feels like a real world that you affect with a ton of little details based on what you do and the side as neutral dynamic

Personally I never felt the need to save scum in W2 and Roche path had such a compelling story line

Meanwhile sometimes W3 feels like the narration and stuff has an opinion of your morality. In W1 and W2 Geralt will reflect on the outcome of his decisions but not in a way that's like "yeah I fucked up" because they were complex decisions and that's the point.
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Well, it's not that I felt *compelled* to save scum in Witcher 2 or 3. But the choices were blatantly in your face and the consequences usually almost immediate.

With Witcher 1 I felt like you could make a decision and only see the full consequence of that in a later act.
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Oh that is totally true. Actions in W1 can have totally unintended consequences yet they don't ever feel unfair, you knew the implications. Honestly the fact that the gameplay and act pacing is an utter slog by today's standards yet the story still carries you to the end says a lot.

I guess I still feel like W2 did what it was doing well though, I never felt attacked by the game for my choices but I did in W3. Like sometimes it handed me a tough choice and once I made it the reflection cutscene was basically like "wow fuck you for picking that." I never ever felt that in the previous games.
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I missed that my first play thru and played it after picking up the game years later. Well written sidequest imo
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You mean the ending of The Pitt?

Most of New Vegas' decisions reek of dissatisfying cynicism for every choice so it doesn't really matter what you pick as all decisions feel the same. Not to mention the DLC where you have what is essentially Chris Avellone's ghost stalking you.
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Hexenherz posted...

With Witcher 1 I felt like you could make a decision and only see the full consequence of that in a later act.

sometimes not until the end of the game

i really, really enjoyed the writing of witcher 1. the only real flaw was the penultimate boss was kind of a random chance between "aard stuns him for an instakill" and "endless series of regular attacks required to even come close to hurting him"
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SolKarellen posted...

You mean the ending of The Pitt?

Most of New Vegas' decisions reek of dissatisfying cynicism for every choice so it doesn't really matter what you pick as all decisions feel the same. Not to mention the DLC where you have what is essentially Chris Avellone's ghost stalking you.

I kinda want to hear you go more in depth on that last part.
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SolKarellen posted...

Most of New Vegas' decisions reek of dissatisfying cynicism for every choice so it doesn't really matter what you pick as all decisions feel the same.

Lie detected
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Orthopox12 posted...

SolKarellen posted...

You mean the ending of The Pitt?

Most of New Vegas' decisions reek of dissatisfying cynicism for every choice so it doesn't really matter what you pick as all decisions feel the same. Not to mention the DLC where you have what is essentially Chris Avellone's ghost stalking you.

I kinda want to hear you go more in depth on that last part.

Ulysses. Seems like the devs really didn't like players supporting the NCR.
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Ah, that isn't 'most decisions' though.

In the core game most decisions have decent/good consequences. Heck, even the one cited in this topic originally has an interesting end if you let the man continue. He ends up going back to New California and challenging the political leadership there. In the meantime the Courier can continue to work away against the Legion.

Ulysses for his part is a jackass. Some players agree with some of what he says, but he's completely lost himself to said cynicism and is shortsighted because of it. It's best to just sweep him aside and continue forging a path to the future.
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No unmarked spoils pls
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I decided to leave that quest and go do some others to clear my head

Found a spy in Camp McCarran. He had booby-trapped the monorail.

I didn't make it.
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teepan95 posted...

I decided to leave that quest and go do some others to clear my head

Found a spy in Camp McCarran. He had booby-trapped the monorail.

I didn't make it.

*21 This Machine Reload Noise Salute*
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I noticed this game is still the #10 overall viewed game on the site.
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On the plus side, that event motivated me to go to the Fort and commit a massacre

And now Veronica has a pimpin' ballistic fist
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