Poll of the Day > Best country every! Tournament bracket round of 16 - Day 1

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Day 1
Austria vs New Zealand
Day 2
Qatar vs Germany
Day 3
Iceland vs Singapore
Day 4
Canada vs North Korea
Day 5
Japan vs Russia
Day 6
Denmark vs USA
Day 7
Saudi Arabia vs Australia
Day 8
UAE vs Greece
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Honestly on this site, I'm not even sure if pointing this out will hurt Austria, or give it a surge of votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/19/an-austrian-state-wants-to-force-kosher-meat-consuming-jews-to-register-drawing- nazi-comparisons/

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Nazi comparisons have become such frequent occurrences almost anywhere in the world that they rarely draw attention these days. But in Adolf Hitler's birth country, Austria, they usually still strike a nerve whenever they come up.

They certainly did so this week, after Jewish organizations criticized the far-right Freedom Party of Austria (FP), the ruling coalition party in the state of Lower Austria, over pursuing a proposal that would require Jews to register with the government if they seek to purchase kosher meat. The same rules would apply to Muslims.

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Ogurisama posted...

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Austria by far, given its numerous contributions to culture.

streamofthesky posted...

They certainly did so this week, after Jewish organizations criticized the far-right Freedom Party of Austria (FP), the ruling coalition party in the state of Lower Austria, over pursuing a proposal that would require Jews to register with the government if they seek to purchase kosher meat. The same rules would apply to Muslims.

That's just bizarre.

https://www.thelocal.at/20180720/austrian-official-proposes-ritual-animal-slaughter-controls

The law provides that having such meat is only for those who show they belong to a religious community and need it, the cabinet minister in the state of Lower Austria told the paper.

Waldhusl has said he wants to reduce the practice of slaughtering animals without first stunning them, citing animal rights.

Oh, it's an animal welfare thing. That's actually understandable, given that it protects a religious exemption from animal cruelty laws. Further, the WaPo article has this interesting tidbit:

This law proposal dates back to 2017, when it was drafted by the Social Democrat during his last days in office, Alexander Murlasits, an FP spokesman, told The Washington Post on Thursday.

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Zeus posted...

Austria by far, given its numerous contributions to culture.

streamofthesky posted...

They certainly did so this week, after Jewish organizations criticized the far-right Freedom Party of Austria (FP), the ruling coalition party in the state of Lower Austria, over pursuing a proposal that would require Jews to register with the government if they seek to purchase kosher meat. The same rules would apply to Muslims.

That's just bizarre.

https://www.thelocal.at/20180720/austrian-official-proposes-ritual-animal-slaughter-controls

The law provides that having such meat is only for those who show they belong to a religious community and need it, the cabinet minister in the state of Lower Austria told the paper.

Waldhusl has said he wants to reduce the practice of slaughtering animals without first stunning them, citing animal rights.

Oh, it's an animal welfare thing. That's actually understandable, given that it protects a religious exemption from animal cruelty laws. Further, the WaPo article has this interesting tidbit:

This law proposal dates back to 2017, when it was drafted by the Social Democrat during his last days in office, Alexander Murlasits, an FP spokesman, told The Washington Post on Thursday.

First off, the FPO spokesman's lying. Here's a commenter from the article, saves me the trouble:

What the FP spokesman is saying here is a blatant lie. Austrian welfare laws specifically mention exceptions for religious use. Slaughtering animals in a kosher way and humanely is not straight forward, hence the government has a list of people who are qualified to do it. This is what the social democrat politician was talking about. Of course the FP in their usual combination of xenophobia and incompetence had to pervert this common sense regulation for their own purposes.

The FP has recently put a lot of PR efforts into distancing themselves from their Nazi roots so I suspect that they were not necessarily trying to target observant Jews but muslims. Luckily, like many far right parties, the FP combines xenophobia with complete incompetence.

And take note, this isn't some regulation on the kosher/halal butchers, or making them register. This is a proposal to make the customers register with the government to buy the meat. Cause that needs to be tracked by the government for...reasons. And it only applies to Jews and Muslims. Christian, Atheist, or any other person who happens to like buying kosher/halal meat, per the proposal, does not have to register. It only applies to those two groups.
It's straight out of the nazi play book.

Thankfully the EU will shut this down if the rest of the Austrian government fails to, but fuck Austria.

Ogurisama posted...

Ogurisama posted...

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Best country every!

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PuddingBoy posted...

Best country every!

Yeah, i noticed that after i made the topic, will be fixed tonight

The Popo posted...

Wrong Aus country
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Ogurisama posted...

PuddingBoy posted...

Best country every!

Yeah, i noticed that after i made the topic, will be fixed tonight

The Popo posted...

Wrong Aus country

Well... Im illiterate.
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Inb4 North Korea wins it all.
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streamofthesky posted...

And take note, this isn't some regulation on the kosher/halal butchers, or making them register. This is a proposal to make the customers register with the government to buy the meat. Cause that needs to be tracked by the government for...reasons. And it only applies to Jews and Muslims. Christian, Atheist, or any other person who happens to like buying kosher/halal meat, per the proposal, does not have to register. It only applies to those two groups.

Doesn't *anybody* who buys it for religious reasons have to register? If they're not buying for religious reasons, they don't need to register. Plus if you are ultimately going to *only* allow the religious to buy it down the road, you'd have to handle it at the consumer level not the seller level (same shit for medical marijuana -- just having the seller register when you're only allowing people to buy it for medicinal use makes no fucking sense). It sounds like the end-goal here is to reduce the amount of meat produced in this way.

streamofthesky posted...

Thankfully the EU will shut this down if the rest of the Austrian government fails to, but fuck Austria.

So basically you're judging the entire nation based entirely on the whims of one party from that nation whose laws probably won't pass anyway and whose policy you *suspect* has a potential long-term application in the very distant future? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? It'd be like hating American because you suspect a provision in a healthcare policy may lead to death panels.
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Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

And take note, this isn't some regulation on the kosher/halal butchers, or making them register. This is a proposal to make the customers register with the government to buy the meat. Cause that needs to be tracked by the government for...reasons. And it only applies to Jews and Muslims. Christian, Atheist, or any other person who happens to like buying kosher/halal meat, per the proposal, does not have to register. It only applies to those two groups.

Doesn't *anybody* who buys it for religious reasons have to register? If they're not buying for religious reasons, they don't need to register. Plus if you are ultimately going to *only* allow the religious to buy it down the road, you'd have to handle it at the consumer level not the seller level (same shit for medical marijuana -- just having the seller register when you're only allowing people to buy it for medicinal use makes no fucking sense). It sounds like the end-goal here is to reduce the amount of meat produced in this way.

streamofthesky posted...

Thankfully the EU will shut this down if the rest of the Austrian government fails to, but fuck Austria.

So basically you're judging the entire nation based entirely on the whims of one party from that nation whose laws probably won't pass anyway and whose policy you *suspect* has a potential long-term application in the very distant future? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? It'd be like hating American because you suspect a provision in a healthcare policy may lead to death panels.

1. It said Jews and Muslims had to register. Period.

2. That party is in power in southern Austria. They aren't just some fringe whackos that get 3% of the vote and never get into elected office.

streamofthesky posted...

1. It said Jews and Muslims had to register. Period.

Again, this comes back to restricting sale of the meat TO those groups only:
"The law provides that having such meat is only for those who show they belong to a religious community and need it, the cabinet minister in the state of Lower Austria told the paper."

streamofthesky posted...

2. That party is in power in southern Austria. They aren't just some fringe whackos that get 3% of the vote and never get into elected office.

And the Democrats were in power back when people were accusing Obama of wanting to set up death panels. The fact remains that it was, like most things in politics, a hyperbolic claim. And, unlike that claim, it was the *party itself* pushing those ideas rather than just a single cabinet member.
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