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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 12:19:59 AM
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If you want to gamble go to a damn casino or bet on sports so theres actually a realistic chance you're not flushing money down the toilet
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rikasa
10/20/18 12:20:59 AM
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they're buying hope

(lol)
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SageHarpuiaHX
10/20/18 12:21:02 AM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
go to a damn casino or bet on sports so theres actually a realistic chance you're not flushing money down the toilet

Sounds like you're getting taxed for it too
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Unbreakable
10/20/18 12:22:23 AM
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Actually expected value was positive for this one. There's a breaking point in the jackpot where EV goes from negative to positive. Napkin math puts this one above it.

I also won 2 bucks. (2 profit)
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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 12:26:15 AM
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Unbreakable posted...
Actually expected value was positive for this one. There's a breaking point in the jackpot where EV goes from negative to positive. Napkin math puts this one above it.

I also won 2 bucks. (2 profit)

I used to work at a gas station that sold lottery tickets. Had a guy come in and ask me to check $300 worth of powerball tickets

He won $8
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Unbreakable
10/20/18 12:27:52 AM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Unbreakable posted...
Actually expected value was positive for this one. There's a breaking point in the jackpot where EV goes from negative to positive. Napkin math puts this one above it.

I also won 2 bucks. (2 profit)

I used to work at a gas station that sold lottery tickets. Had a guy come in and ask me to check $300 worth of powerball tickets

He won $8

Well yeah, the more you buy, the worse the expected value. A single ticket was a relatively good bet this time around though. Even two tickets sent EV into negative
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Damn_Underscore
10/20/18 12:30:33 AM
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who cares if you spend a few bucks a week on lottery tickets

why does this make people so mad?
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ImmatureContent
10/20/18 12:31:02 AM
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Someone will win eventually. Buying tickets pays for that person having their dream come true. Better than dropping a hundred bucks on a phone to line the pockets of corporations.
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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 12:35:04 AM
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ImmatureContent posted...
Someone will win eventually. Buying tickets pays for that person having their dream come true. Better than dropping a hundred bucks on a phone to line the pockets of corporations.

But the phone has a tangible benefit for me, while the former has absolutely none.
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SquirrelyDan
10/20/18 12:35:36 AM
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Yeah. People should spend their money on other vices, right TC?
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Questionmarktarius
10/20/18 12:35:57 AM
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What, really, is the harm in an Idiot Tax?
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spudger
10/20/18 12:37:00 AM
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*sigh* here's this stupid topic again...
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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 12:37:24 AM
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SquirrelyDan posted...
Yeah. People should spend their money on other vices, right TC?

I'd rather spend money on something that would bring me some form of happiness or entertainment rather than a useless slip of paper.
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rikasa
10/20/18 12:38:48 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
What, really, is the harm in an Idiot Tax?

Some states use it to fund college scholarships :)
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Unbreakable
10/20/18 12:39:05 AM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
Yeah. People should spend their money on other vices, right TC?

I'd rather spend money on something that would bring me some form of happiness or entertainment rather than a useless slip of paper.

For a negligible amount (2 bucks), that small piece of paper has a very tiny chance (but a chance nonetheless) of bringing you all the happiness/entertainment in the world
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creativerealms
10/20/18 12:41:58 AM
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True. I think it's stupid to spend a lot of money on lotto for that reason, but really if I am going to blow those two bucks on junk food anyway I might as well take a risk.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_
10/20/18 12:43:05 AM
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Probability is for people too broke to afford a dollar
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Questionmarktarius
10/20/18 12:45:16 AM
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rikasa posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
What, really, is the harm in an Idiot Tax?

Some states use it to fund college scholarships :)

Most states use to fund who the fuck knows. The lotteries (and riverboats, for if you have a river) were sold to us for "the schools", but it's all just general piss-it-away funds.
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Muffinz0rz
10/20/18 12:47:35 AM
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Unbreakable posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
Yeah. People should spend their money on other vices, right TC?

I'd rather spend money on something that would bring me some form of happiness or entertainment rather than a useless slip of paper.

For a negligible amount (2 bucks), that small piece of paper has a very tiny chance (but a chance nonetheless) of bringing you all the happiness/entertainment in the world

but i thought money couldn't buy happiness

(lol what a lie)
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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 12:50:33 AM
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Probability is for people too broke to afford a dollar

What a stupid post lmfao

Didnt think that one through did ya?
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Unbreakable
10/20/18 12:51:59 AM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...
Probability is for people too broke to afford a dollar

What a stupid post lmfao

Didnt think that one through did ya?

Scotty_Rogers aka PinkRanger aka Boxxy aka Josh is not exactly a paragon of intelligence
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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 2:16:12 PM
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Bump
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BlameAnesthesia
10/20/18 2:21:31 PM
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Spending hundreds on tickets is a bad investment and poor judgement, sure.

Spending $2 on a single ticket for the entertainment value given a historically high jackpot is hardly the worst somebody could do. It's a short, fun craze for people to distract us from our lives. A tiny bit of workplace excitement when people form pools. Most people, except for the habitual purchasers, know they aren't going to win. That's not the point.

But whatever. I guess a gas station clerk has to feel superior to others somehow.
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nemu
10/20/18 2:23:34 PM
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Why the need to sit atop your high horse? The argument can be made about any non-essential item anyone purchases. As long as you're not spending beyond your means, there is really nothing that can be called a stupid purchase.
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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 2:24:44 PM
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BlameAnesthesia posted...
Spending hundreds on tickets is a bad investment and poor judgement, sure.

Spending $2 on a single ticket for the entertainment value given a historically high jackpot is hardly the worst somebody could do. It's a short, fun craze for people to distract us from our lives. A tiny bit of workplace excitement when people form pools. Most people, except for the habitual purchasers, know they aren't going to win. That's not the point.

But whatever. I guess a gas station clerk has to feel superior to others somehow.

Former gas station clerk, thankfully I left that nightmare of a job for something far better paying that doesn't make me want to kill myself
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Anteaterking
10/20/18 2:26:47 PM
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Playing the lottery isn't smart, but focusing on expected value isn't that smart either.
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RiderofHogs
10/20/18 2:28:58 PM
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You can't win if you don't play, and you have to be dumb not to buy at least one ticket when it is this high.
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SpiralDrift
10/20/18 2:29:47 PM
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rikasa posted...
they're buying hope

(lol)

This is also how elections work.
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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 2:30:27 PM
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RiderofHogs posted...
You can't win if you don't play, and you have to be dumb not to buy at least one ticket when it is this high.

You also won't win if you do play. Whether the jackpot is 1 million or 5 billion your chances are still far beyond negligible.
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TheCyborgNinja
10/20/18 2:32:15 PM
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
go to a damn casino or bet on sports so theres actually a realistic chance you're not flushing money down the toilet

Sounds like you're getting taxed for it too

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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 2:35:01 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
go to a damn casino or bet on sports so theres actually a realistic chance you're not flushing money down the toilet

Sounds like you're getting taxed for it too

"When Vegas Met Its Match: The Genocet Story"

For games like blackjack the odds can be slightly over 50/50 if you know what youre doing. You may recognize that as slightly greater than 273 million to 1.
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Ray_Dorset
10/20/18 2:38:45 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Unbreakable posted...
Actually expected value was positive for this one. There's a breaking point in the jackpot where EV goes from negative to positive. Napkin math puts this one above it.

I also won 2 bucks. (2 profit)

I used to work at a gas station that sold lottery tickets. Had a guy come in and ask me to check $300 worth of powerball tickets

He won $8


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Jeff AKA Snoopy
10/20/18 2:40:48 PM
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What about for people in a workplace who all put in a buck for a shot every week? One less coffee a week for the SLIMMEST of chances at life altering money.
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RiderofHogs
10/20/18 2:41:49 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
RiderofHogs posted...
You can't win if you don't play, and you have to be dumb not to buy at least one ticket when it is this high.

You also won't win if you do play. Whether the jackpot is 1 million or 5 billion your chances are still far beyond negligible.

Someone will eventually win though. If you are not playing than you have 0% chance rather than a fraction of a chance.
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DanHarenChamp
10/20/18 2:51:50 PM
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
go to a damn casino or bet on sports so theres actually a realistic chance you're not flushing money down the toilet

Sounds like you're getting taxed for it too

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YookaLaylee
10/20/18 2:55:36 PM
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RiderofHogs posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
RiderofHogs posted...
You can't win if you don't play, and you have to be dumb not to buy at least one ticket when it is this high.

You also won't win if you do play. Whether the jackpot is 1 million or 5 billion your chances are still far beyond negligible.

Someone will eventually win though. If you are not playing than you have 0% chance rather than a fraction of a chance.

Exactly
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foreverzero212
10/20/18 2:55:56 PM
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So, TC, everything you do in your life is a positive value expectation? Like mathematically over time?

No. This is a dumb overdone topic.
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AsucaHayashi
10/20/18 2:59:47 PM
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meanwhile paying a bit more in taxes for universal healthcare...

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DevsBro
10/20/18 3:04:10 PM
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Yes but not exclusively. Some people actually gamble mostly for entertainment. But it's still highly addictive so either way it's probably a bad idea.
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Allanon23
10/20/18 3:06:11 PM
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Unbreakable posted...
Actually expected value was positive for this one. There's a breaking point in the jackpot where EV goes from negative to positive. Napkin math puts this one above it.


Yep
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CanuckCowboy
10/20/18 3:06:49 PM
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Partially wrong.

It's a tax on the desperate at least as much as the stupid.
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CanuckCowboy
10/20/18 3:08:30 PM
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Also why the fuck would I want to go to a casino? I hate casinos.

There's a big different between dropping an extra 5 on a ticket while yer buying gas or coffee at 711 and spending hours in some horrible loud place with shitty lights flashing everywhere.
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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 3:10:50 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Also why the fuck would I want to go to a casino? I hate casinos.

There's a big different between dropping an extra 5 on a ticket while yer buying gas or coffee at 711 and spending hours in some horrible loud place with shitty lights flashing everywhere.

You can gamble online you know.
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CanuckCowboy
10/20/18 3:12:24 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
Also why the fuck would I want to go to a casino? I hate casinos.

There's a big different between dropping an extra 5 on a ticket while yer buying gas or coffee at 711 and spending hours in some horrible loud place with shitty lights flashing everywhere.

You can gamble online you know.


Still takes more time and inclination by far than going "and a lotto max" while in line already anyways.
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SquirrelyDan
10/20/18 3:15:28 PM
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Nobody is thinking of EV when they buy a lottery ticket ffs. Just like a certain user here isn't thinking about how long his opiates will each last vs the $ he's spent on them. Just enjoy whatever 'highs' you get in your life and stop trying to bring others down because your supplier is 'dry' at the moment or you're between refills.
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Genocet_10-325
10/20/18 3:16:48 PM
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SquirrelyDan posted...
Nobody is thinking of EV when they buy a lottery ticket ffs. Just like a certain user here isn't thinking about how long his opiates will each last vs the $ he's spent on them. Just enjoy whatever 'highs' you get in your life and stop trying to bring others down because your supplier is 'dry' at the moment or you're between refills.

You seem upset.
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SquirrelyDan
10/20/18 3:20:43 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
Nobody is thinking of EV when they buy a lottery ticket ffs. Just like a certain user here isn't thinking about how long his opiates will each last vs the $ he's spent on them. Just enjoy whatever 'highs' you get in your life and stop trying to bring others down because your supplier is 'dry' at the moment or you're between refills.

You seem upset.

Not at all.
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Pepys Monster
10/20/18 3:22:36 PM
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You can't win if you don't play.
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Brig_Jackson
10/20/18 3:29:10 PM
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This is a dumb fuckin logic. Its like moron hour on CE
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DevsBro
10/20/18 4:25:24 PM
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Brig_Jackson posted...
This is a dumb fuckin logic. Its like moron hour on CE

I remember the last time we had moron hour on CE.

Of course, it was only an hour ago.
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