Board 8 > I think Sephiroth is going to beat Mario. Legitimately. Nothing fanboy about it.

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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:07:15 PM
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Hear me out.

Every time Sephiroth has faced Mario 1v1, he has made him look straight up BAD. Doesn't matter how strong Mario has been going into the fight, Seph midgar zoloms him. Now, Seph and FFVII have been in the midst of a decline for a while but this contest has shown that rumors of his demise have been greatly exaggerated. He just straight up EMBARRASSED what should've been the strongest Ryu we've ever had. Alongside him, Tifa has looked fantastic en route to winning her division and Aeris didn't look bad either.

I think there's a chance that FFVII rebounded a little bit, maybe a slight boost (no, not you Vincent) but even if you don't agree with me there, you can't ignore the fact that Mario on top of losing to Vivi in 2013 has always been WRECKED when he steps to the One Winged Angel.

My feeling is that there's something about the fans of both that makes them pick Sephiroth in disproportionate numbers when the two go face to face. I don't know what it is, I couldn't even put a name to it, but Seph has overperformed EVERY TIME he takes on the big M and I think he's poised to do it again.

Veni veni venias motherfuckers. It's showtime next week.
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:08:44 PM
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((That said I am a ridiculous fanboy and will literally use any excuse to pick Sephiroth to win debatable matches, you should never listen to me. Pick Mario.))
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BK_Sheikah00
11/19/18 6:09:45 PM
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On the other hand, if Sephiroth gets crushed early, Draven would become even more pathetic.
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Ilishe
11/19/18 6:15:46 PM
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Gonna Supernova Mario's Galaxy.
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:16:36 PM
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Ilishe posted...
Gonna Supernova Mario's Galaxy.


That's the spirit.
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LeonhartFour
11/19/18 6:17:50 PM
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prepare yourself for the depths of depression Squall/Zelda brought me down to
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ctesjbuvf
11/19/18 6:19:17 PM
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Getting 56% on Mario in 2005 was hella strong on top of Mario's performance, but it's not a huge gap for Mario to have closed since all the way back then.

Also, Mario's loss to Vivi really doesn't mean much. Samus would've met the same faith. I don't think many realize just how terrible a leech Ganon is in that match on top of a very succesful rally.
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pjbasis
11/19/18 6:24:54 PM
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Wreath
11/19/18 6:26:53 PM
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Not a chance but I love the spirit my guy. To hell with mario
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:28:55 PM
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pjbasis posted...
Mario is gonna 60/40 sephiroth


LMFAOOOOOOO Imagine thinking ANY character can put a 60/40 on Sephiroth in today's contest climate aside from Link

couldn't be me
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:29:23 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
prepare yourself for the depths of depression Squall/Zelda brought me down to


He's not gonna lose to Luigi or anything chill
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LeonhartFour
11/19/18 6:29:56 PM
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Janus5k
11/19/18 6:31:12 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
((That said I am a ridiculous fanboy and will literally use any excuse to pick Sephiroth to win debatable matches, you should never listen to me. Pick Mario.))

Didn't you pick against Sephiroth today

Which I guess isn't a contradiction since this match wasn't debatable but hey
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:31:18 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
well he's losing to Tifa now instead

good enough


Gonna be hard to do that when Tifa is beating Samus!!
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:32:05 PM
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Janus5k posted...
Didn't you pick against Sephiroth today

Which I guess isn't a contradiction since this match wasn't debatable but hey


Yes I did.

I figured that FFVII's decline was gonna continue and even accelerate due to the bad press from FFVIIR

Instead they appear to have rebounded slightly for some reason. Also Ryu was supposed to be on steroids from getting into Smash.
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Underleveled
11/19/18 6:32:32 PM
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Seph has probably benefitted from the Tifa rally. Ryu had like 45% early on.
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LeonhartFour
11/19/18 6:32:54 PM
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Underleveled posted...
Seph has probably benefitted from the Tifa rally. Ryu had like 45% early on.


I take it this is your first Sephiroth match
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Lolo_Guru
11/19/18 6:35:23 PM
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Frankly, Sephiroth's performance here does make me worry a bit about picking Mario.

but then I remember my bracket is pretty bad anyway so it doesn't matter.
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:35:28 PM
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Underleveled posted...
Seph has probably benefitted from the Tifa rally. Ryu had like 45% early on.


Ryu had the LEAD early on, fam.

This only makes Seph's performance even more impressive.
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:36:08 PM
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My second chance bracket is gonna be wilding out. I'm kind of thinking about taking Pikachu over Mega Man tbh
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LeonhartFour
11/19/18 6:40:52 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
My second chance bracket is gonna be wilding out. I'm kind of thinking about taking Pikachu over Mega Man tbh


one less second chance to worry about
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:41:41 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
one less second chance to worry about


RyanReynoldsFactor about to doom you
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Team Rocket Elite
11/19/18 6:41:46 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3852-final-rounds-quarterfinal-samus-aran-vs-cloud-strife
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3847-midgar-division-final-cloud-strife-vs-ryu

Based on those two matches, Samus is projected to get 63.95% on Ryu. Right now Sephiroth only has 60.26%. He is also going after Mario instead of Samus. This is a solid Noble Nine level result for Sephiroth but going after the top half of the Noble Nine is yet another step above this performance.
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:42:59 PM
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
Based on those two matches, Samus is projected to get 63.95% on Ryu. Right now Sephiroth only has 60.26%. He is also going after Mario instead of Samus. This is a solid Noble Nine level result for Sephiroth but going after the top half of the Noble Nine is yet another step above this performance.


I think a 3% Smash boost is a fair assessment for Ryu.

Can't wait to see how Cloud does. 5% at worst.
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Moonroof
11/19/18 6:43:05 PM
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Ex is very basic.
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Logience
11/19/18 6:43:21 PM
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How many Guru brackets have Sephiroth>Mario, anyways?
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LeonhartFour
11/19/18 6:43:45 PM
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Logience posted...
How many Guru brackets have Sephiroth>Mario, anyways?


ExTha's doesn't that's for sure
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LusterSoldier
11/19/18 6:48:53 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
Underleveled posted...
Seph has probably benefitted from the Tifa rally. Ryu had like 45% early on.


I take it this is your first Sephiroth match


We'll see what the registered/anonymous vote splits look like once this match ends, and the overall percentage of registered user votes (from the overall raw votes). This will likely tell us whether the rally had any noticeable impact.
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Whiskey_Nick
11/19/18 6:50:19 PM
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Ryu
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chocoboslayer
11/19/18 6:53:20 PM
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i can get behind this topic
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Yuri_LowelI
11/19/18 6:54:28 PM
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Mario is too strong now. Nintendo as a whole is.

Forget the shitty 2nd player characters and random NPC's like Toad.

Proper Staple Nintendo jugggernauts like Samus Mario and Link are on another level compared to your midcarders like Luigi and Fox
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:55:48 PM
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"Mario is too strong now"

BRUH HOMIE JUST DONE GOT BEAT BY VIVI.
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Keltiq
11/19/18 6:57:32 PM
#33:


Logience posted...
How many Guru brackets have Sephiroth>Mario, anyways?

Nine.
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Team Rocket Elite
11/19/18 6:57:54 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Based on those two matches, Samus is projected to get 63.95% on Ryu. Right now Sephiroth only has 60.26%. He is also going after Mario instead of Samus. This is a solid Noble Nine level result for Sephiroth but going after the top half of the Noble Nine is yet another step above this performance.


I think a 3% Smash boost is a fair assessment for Ryu.

Can't wait to see how Cloud does. 5% at worst.


That's a lot of respect for Lloyd Irving! Ryu's result vs Lloyd was in line with a mostly unboosted Ryu.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3779-gear-division-round-1-lloyd-irving-vs-fox-mccloud
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7298-division-8-round-1-ryu-vs-lloyd
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Lolo_Guru
11/19/18 6:57:55 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
"Mario is too strong now"

BRUH HOMIE JUST DONE GOT BEAT BY VIVI.

Except Vivi just lost to Ganondorf.

Ganondorf > Mario?

I think not.
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 6:59:16 PM
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Ganondorf just had one of the biggest games of all time drop for him.

Don't talk to me about Mario Odyssey, Mario doesn't boost from his new games.
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Underleveled
11/19/18 7:04:24 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
Underleveled posted...
Seph has probably benefitted from the Tifa rally. Ryu had like 45% early on.


I take it this is your first Sephiroth match

I know that Seph generally has a terrible board vote but Ryu held on for a LONG time and started to decline around when Tifa took the lead.
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 7:06:16 PM
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Underleveled posted...
I know that Seph generally has a terrible board vote but Ryu held on for a LONG time and started to decline around when Tifa took the lead.


Ryu did not hold on for a long time fam, he was behind at the freeze and Seph shot to the moon right before the power hour ended.
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LeonhartFour
11/19/18 7:06:28 PM
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he really didn't hang on that long though

Sephiroth started to dominate pretty hardcore once the first hour ended
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Evillordexdeath
11/19/18 7:17:28 PM
#40:


ExThaNemesis posted...
Ganondorf just had one of the biggest games of all time drop for him.

Don't talk to me about Mario Odyssey, Mario doesn't boost from his new games.


This site has never really appreciated Galaxy much either. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same for Odyssey.

FFVII has been doing well enough all contest that I think the match is debatable now. Taking Cloud to grand finals seems like an okay pick too.

But I wouldn't advocate taking Pikachu against the Poke-slayer.
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 7:18:16 PM
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I didn't actually take Pikachu over Mega Man.

I thought long and hard about it tho
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Yuri_LowelI
11/19/18 7:24:35 PM
#42:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I didn't actually take Pikachu over Mega Man.

I thought long and hard about it tho


ITs the hardest one to call. Seph/Mario is not that hard tbh. Mario should win i don't conisder 60% on Ryu great if i'm being honest. Mario woud get 65+.

Zelda Snake can be tough because we don't know where Snake is. 5 years ago Snake Stomps Zelda easily. But This isn't the Peak snake from 5 years ago that Beat Sephiroth and got nearly 48% on Cloud
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LusterSoldier
11/19/18 7:34:42 PM
#43:


LusterSoldier posted...
We'll see what the registered/anonymous vote splits look like once this match ends, and the overall percentage of registered user votes (from the overall raw votes). This will likely tell us whether the rally had any noticeable impact.


So I'm seeing about a 5 point split between registered/anonymous users for Tifa and 47.21% registered user votes in this match. The percentage of registered user votes is not out of line with other non-rallied matches. I still don't rule out that some rallied votes came in for Tifa. Even removing 300 anonymous votes from Tifa would bring that match down to about a 4 point split between registered/anonymous users and bring the match up to 47.89% registered user votes.
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transcience
11/19/18 7:35:23 PM
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I think its worth the debate

the more fun debate is what happens in the losers bracket though. theres Samus and Snake waiting for him if he loses to Mario.
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demphra
11/19/18 8:04:56 PM
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Keltiq posted...
Logience posted...
How many Guru brackets have Sephiroth>Mario, anyways?

Nine.

im part of the esoteric few
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ExThaNemesis
11/19/18 8:08:59 PM
#46:


Nobody has really said anything about my theory between Sephiroth and Mario about his overperformances.
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LeonhartFour
11/19/18 8:12:02 PM
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I mean I've talked about Sephiroth being Mario's kryptonite for many, many years

now we'll find out if it's actually true
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davidponte
11/19/18 8:20:07 PM
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So does this mean Cloud > Mario is confirmed?
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