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Trump IS a crook. I don't care. I don't believe he is a racist, however.
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Caution999 posted...

Trump IS a crook. I don't care.

Party of Law and Order here, folks.
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Caution999 posted...

Trump IS a crook. I don't care.

Exactly, the right knows Trump is a crook, and yet they don't care about that at all
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What was I supposed to do?

Hillary wasn't better. Pick your poison, bro.
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Caution999 posted...

I don't believe he is a racist, however.

remember that time he posted fake murder stats from neonazi twitter account?
you know the one that said 84 percent of white people who are murdered are killed by black people? even though its factually false?

DifferentialEquation posted...

The problem is that non-political news coverage makes up less than 1% of their reporting now. Unless there's some natural disaster occurring, they're whining about Trump non-stop.

that's because Trump is a narcissist and does something stupid or tweets something stupid non stop
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I remember when they covered the missing Malaysian Airlines flight on their front page for like 5+ months straight
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I can't defend everything the guy does. He also has a team that tweets out on his account as well.

It's also quite possible he got baited by some emotional stuff that was thrown at him, and made a mistake. He shouldn't be Tweeting the way he does - but he's human.

I just firmly believe you got the guy wrong.
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Caution999 posted...

I can't defend everything the guy does. He also has a team that tweets out on his account as well.

It's also quite possible he got baited by some emotional stuff that was thrown at him, and made a mistake. He shouldn't be Tweeting the way he does - but he's human.

I just firmly believe you got the guy wrong.

I used to think that, but he's done so many wrong things it paints a picture that I can't ignore or explain away.
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Caution999 posted...

I just firmly believe you got the guy wrong.

You already admitted he's a crook, so which part am I getting wrong?
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Caution999 posted...

I can't defend everything the guy does. He also has a team that tweets out on his account as well.

It's also quite possible he got baited by some emotional stuff that was thrown at him, and made a mistake. He shouldn't be Tweeting the way he does - but he's human.

I just firmly believe you got the guy wrong.

considering he went on bill o reilly and doubled down on it...

but of course caution will stick his fingers in his ears now.

Phantom_Nook posted...

Caution999 posted...

I just firmly believe you got the guy wrong.

You already admitted he's a crook, so which part am I getting wrong?

And this is what you guys will never understand. His agenda is what we voted for. Not that he's a playboy or slept with a prostitute. Or paid her off. I don't care about that crap. I care about this country.
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catboy0_0 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

The problem is that non-political news coverage makes up less than 1% of their reporting now. Unless there's some natural disaster occurring, they're whining about Trump non-stop.

that's because Trump is a narcissist and does something stupid or tweets something stupid non stop

He has self confidence, that doesn't make him a narcissist. And he tweets about important matters that the Amercian people have the right to know.

How is it that Democrats/left always say they want more transparency in government, and now that we have president who is keeping us up to date with what's happening in the White House they want him to shut up? Maybe he doesn't need to be quite as frequent with his tweets, but isn't that a lot better than sharing no information or too little information?
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yeah, then snopes had to start confirming bc CNN wasn't good enough
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Caution999 posted...

I care about this country.

Obviously not, since you support a Russian asset.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

but isn't that a lot better than sharing no information or too little information?

he doesn't share information. he shares misinformation
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catboy0_0 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

but isn't that a lot better than sharing no information or too little information?

he doesn't share information. he shares misinformation

And you're not wrong. There's a lot of disinformation being pushed by both him and the MSM imo.

I'm still a little annoyed I was accused to be Dylan Roof. Rest assured, Darkman, if you ever said that to my face, I would not leave you alone til I got an apology.

It implies that I am soul-less. That I am an empty vessel devoid of any love; as I'll just carry out whatever Fox News tells me to.
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add me on discord again I'll talk with you
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Weren't you supposed to shut up?

gp1829 posted...

Weren't you supposed to shut up?

knew fone hoo dis
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catboy0_0 posted...

gp1829 posted...

Weren't you supposed to shut up?

knew fone hoo dis

Not you, Caution.

gp1829 posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

gp1829 posted...

Weren't you supposed to shut up?

knew fone hoo dis

Not you, Caution.

knew fone hoo dis
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Darkman124 posted...

the blame for the rise of hate in america is almost exclusively at the feet of republican leaders and the media outlets that serve as their propaganda system.

During the Obama administration tear gas used at the border, immigrants were abused in detention centers, etc.

Where was the passionate outrage of left media that we're seeing now? Where were their comparisons of those human rights violations to the holocaust and concentration camps?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Darkman124 posted...

the blame for the rise of hate in america is almost exclusively at the feet of republican leaders and the media outlets that serve as their propaganda system.

During the Obama administration tear gas used at the border, immigrants were abused in detention centers, etc.

Where was the passionate outrage of left media that we're seeing now? Where were their comparisons of those human rights violations to the holocaust and concentration camps?

Shut up antifar
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@Caution999

I did mean to hurt your feelings by directly comparing you to a mass murderer. That was going too far. I am sorry for doing that.

We have a broken conservative media that is producing people like Dylan Roof. People like him don't just come from the worst sociopaths, the darkest pits of our society, to suddenly terrorize the rest of us though. They're enabled, bit by bit, by a propaganda system that has taught conservatives to view liberals through a deeply othering lens--which I showed earlier in this thread.

Modern "liberal media" has tried, mostly with a lack of zeal or energy, to shine a light on this. And the response has been swift from right wing propaganda networks to suggest that pointing out racism and hate is tantamount to hate. Because it's wrong to hate those who hate, but we'll be silent when those who hate are actually promoting the messages that make white supremacists believe they can commit acts of violence in the open.

When you shut your eyes to the message the 'liberal media' is weakly attempting to transmit, you're passively allowing the propaganda to flow, but that is understandable.

But when you attempt to promote the 'same thing both sides' narrative--a narrative out of the Rove playbook, a narrative the right-wing propaganda writers want spread as much as possible--you're unwittingly part of the system that is enabling people like Roof. When you consume that media, you're being conditioned the same way he was conditioned.

You are not Dylan Roof. You do not have those impulses. Someone you know might. It's nearly impossible to say. Such folks are "people like you" in that they live in your communities and possibly move in your social circles. They mostly kept quiet about the beliefs they had, the fucked in the head beliefs that would make you look on in shock. Over the last decade, the message that their fucked in the head views were acceptable has grown louder and louder. In the last two years, it was louder than most other voices.

And it is no surprise that the killings by white supremacists are higher now than in many, many years.

Be vigilant. Not of impulses in you, but of the impulses in your peers. We on the left do the same and have been vigilant for those advocating violence ever since the riots surrounding the civil rights act; we've been afraid to use strong language that could be perceived as endorsement of violence ever since.

Dylan Roof was a person like you: he consumed right wing media, he believed what he heard, he defended that propaganda. But that is where the similarities end; he was not you.

You are not a killer. He was.

And I am sorry for suggesting otherwise. I am not sorry for the rest.
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Cool :) thank you :o

Anyway, yeah, with how abrupt my behavior is sometimes, I can understand. Like, even Error lashed out at me once :P So, I'm definitely sorry as well. I know how I am, and I'm not easy to deal with all the time.

So, some of that is definitely on me, and I acknowledge that. I do think, some weak people, like Dylan Roof, get caught up in the nonsense. Of course, I also think he had a few screws loose prior to ...what he did. Do I think conservative media could've influenced what he did? Yes, but only because he couldn't distinguish between real life human beings and...the hatred. He obviously had no filter, and he had to have deep psychological issues. If he didn't, I mean, the entirety of Rush Limbaugh's (or whatever other conservative voice) audience would be out there trying to kill minorities...and they're not.

What I do think is true is that the white supremacists and the racists are mostly on the side of the right. That is true. I think they're not intelligent enough to distinguish the difference between illegal aliens and legal immigrants. They're not smart enough to understand that the attitude of the President or whatever talk show host preaches. They hear angry voices(from talk shows or radio shows) and demonize the left. That's not right. And...because these people are weak or have psychological issues, they lash out on innocent human beings.

I do think there are a LARGE portion of Americans that also listen to these programs and are good people. They can understand what the hosts are really trying to portray and not feed into anger or hatred. There are good people on both the left side and the right side. It's unfortunate that the loud voices are the ones who are utterly insane. Then people get in arguments on here and naturally assume that everyone is a hardcore lefty or an alt-righter. That's just how things escalate.

I disagree that I'm feeding into the "liberal media" narrative that allows negative propaganda to flow. Right now, I'm trying to attack ALL media. They all need to step their game up, and I know you probably won't agree, and that's fine. I fell into the propaganda myself, but because I have a filter, and a heart, and a good head on my shoulders, I've never blamed minorities for things in my life. That doesn't make sense.

I disagree that "same thing both sides narrative" is a bad thing. And maybe one side is worse, but I can't in good faith, sit here and pretend that CNN isn't a complete joke. I'm sorry.

I think people that have good heads on their shoulders, and aren't part of the racists or whatever can tell what conservative shows are trying to portray. Now, depending on which program - like, honestly, I don't see how Rush Limbaugh is a bad person. Apple still promotes his show. Now, Alex Jones...that's another story. I've never listened to the guy so I can't tell you if he's bad or not, but it seems like the general consensus is that...he is.

I think the reason why you think this is because most of the white supremacists are on the side of the right. It's sorta like radical Islam where the loud voices have hijacked a cause. Hijacked a platform.

That's my opinion. Nobody has to agree with it. That's what I see. And maybe I'm wrong, but in my heart I feel like most people are good people. I think most people, at the end of the day, just want to make ends meet. They don't want to hurt other people. And this is why I hate how we're being told to hate each other.

I mean, my future wife doesn't even agree with me most of the time, and we respect each other. That's something which is missing in this political climate
right now.

@Darkman124
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Caution999 posted...

They all need to step their game up, and I know you probably won't agree

I actually DO agree with this, but my concern is that we want media to move in opposite directions. What I want is for media outlets to tell politicians they are lying when they are lying. The 'liberal media' is largely weak and ineffectual in responding to propaganda, and that is my criticism of it.

I want to offer an example of the weakness I am discussing, and I am curious as to your view on it. This goes back to 2016.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/12/01/gingrich-camerota-crime-stats-newday.cnn

I feel that arguing they are too critical is, fundamentally, pushing for more of this weakness, and essentially allowing republican politicians to make up whatever they want.

The white supremacist crowd is largely not invested in the stock market, so economic arguments have little draw for them. Republicans instead use identity politics to motivate that section of their voter base, and the rhetoric they rely upon is precisely what encourages the violent elements within that population to harm the rest of us.

I consider it critical that media address such lies, call them lies, and ensure that they are not distributed and accepted in a widespread manner. While CNN et al are attempting to do this in a weak and ineffective manner, Fox, Sinclair, Limbaugh, Ingraham et al are supporting these lies and magnifying their outreach.

These are deeply different problems. One is attempting to address a problem poorly, the other is deliberately making it worse.
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Inside every veteran poster is a shitposter wondering "what the hell happened?"
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Caution999 posted...

Once a group of people are dehumanized, I would venture to say the atmosphere for violence would increase

Like refugees, for example?
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