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darkphoenix181 12/14/18 5:30:55 PM #52:	shockthemonkey posted... A third party watched the interaction and reported on it. You didnt, and then you made up an entirely different story for some reason. But at least you feel right. Did he report on what Musk told the guy who fetched the engineer? Nope. Did he report on what the guy who fetched the engineer told the engineer? Nope. Did he report on what the machine was doing that made Musk so angry? Nope. Theoretically, whistles and emergency lights could been going off and the engineer is like "whatever could be the matter mr.musk!" Conveniently, the reporter leaves these contextual details out. Do you think none of these things matter? What if the engineer was told exactly what Musk had an issue with by the person who fetched him? To you that detail is not important? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914132669] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>A third party watched the interaction and reported on it. You didnt, and then you made up an entirely different story for some reason. But at least you feel right.</quote> Did he report on what Musk told the guy who fetched the engineer? Nope. Did he report on what the guy who fetched the engineer told the engineer? Nope. Did he report on what the machine was doing that made Musk so angry? Nope. Theoretically, whistles and emergency lights could been going off and the engineer is like "whatever could be the matter mr.musk!" Conveniently, the reporter leaves these contextual details out. Do you think none of these things matter? What if the engineer was told exactly what Musk had an issue with by the person who fetched him? To you that detail is not important?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 12/14/18 5:32:11 PM #53:	God I hate Elon Musk <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:914132742] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>God I hate Elon Musk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlecSkorpio 12/14/18 5:33:10 PM #55:	Literal. Fucking. Bond. Villain. --- https://i.imgtc.com/obYpb0u.jpg <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:914132789] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Literal. Fucking. Bond. Villain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 12/14/18 5:33:42 PM #56:	He sounds like a less cool, less fabulous interpretation of Miranda Priestley. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:914132811] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>He sounds like a less cool, less fabulous interpretation of Miranda Priestley.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 12/14/18 5:35:03 PM #57:	The rhetoric in this topic is why unions are indispensable and why worker protection are so week. Just blatant boot licking. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:914132881] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>The rhetoric in this topic is why unions are indispensable and why worker protection are so week. Just blatant boot licking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 12/14/18 5:35:33 PM #59:	Is anyone still seriously surprised Elon is insane after the Thailand incident? --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:914132898] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Is anyone still seriously surprised Elon is insane after the Thailand incident?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 12/14/18 5:39:35 PM #60:	AlecSkorpio posted... Literal. Fucking. Bond. Villain. Not the awesome Hank Scorpio variety either. This is eerily like Seinfeld where that NBC studio exec goes on a tirade and rage-fires an unlucky aide because he's upset that Elaine's playing him. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:914133064] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlecSkorpio posted...</cite> <quote>Literal. Fucking. Bond. Villain.</quote> Not the awesome Hank Scorpio variety either. This is eerily like Seinfeld where that NBC studio exec goes on a tirade and rage-fires an unlucky aide because he's upset that Elaine's playing him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 12/14/18 5:41:03 PM #61:	legendary_zell posted... The rhetoric in this topic is why unions are indispensable and why worker protection are so week. Just blatant boot licking. Before we start universally praising unions, read about all the problems they have caused in NYC https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html --- [This signature was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator] <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:914133144] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>The rhetoric in this topic is why unions are indispensable and why worker protection are so week. Just blatant boot licking.</quote> Before we start universally praising unions, read about all the problems they have caused in NYC https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 12/14/18 5:43:06 PM #62:	darkphoenix181 posted... Did he report on what Musk told the guy who fetched the engineer? Nope. Did he report on what the guy who fetched the engineer told the engineer? Nope. Did he report on what the machine was doing that made Musk so angry? Nope. Theoretically, whistles and emergency lights could been going off and the engineer is like "whatever could be the matter mr.musk!" Conveniently, the reporter leaves these contextual details out. Do you think none of these things matter? What if the engineer was told exactly what Musk had an issue with by the person who fetched him? To you that detail is not important? Your argument is "Consider all possible scenarios that could coexist with what we've been told. Are you trying to say the most Elon-favorable scenario among all of them ISN'T a justification for firing him?" Like, do you even remotely believe any article that you read? You accuse the reporter of leaving those contextual details out, but that's more likely because they weren't noteworthy rather than that it would "ruin the narrative". --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:914133251] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>Did he report on what Musk told the guy who fetched the engineer? Nope. Did he report on what the guy who fetched the engineer told the engineer? Nope. Did he report on what the machine was doing that made Musk so angry? Nope. Theoretically, whistles and emergency lights could been going off and the engineer is like "whatever could be the matter mr.musk!" Conveniently, the reporter leaves these contextual details out. Do you think none of these things matter? What if the engineer was told exactly what Musk had an issue with by the person who fetched him? To you that detail is not important?</quote> Your argument is "Consider all possible scenarios that could coexist with what we've been told. Are you trying to say the most Elon-favorable scenario among all of them ISN'T a justification for firing him?" Like, do you even remotely believe any article that you read? You accuse the reporter of leaving those contextual details out, but that's more likely because they weren't noteworthy rather than that it would "ruin the narrative".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/14/18 5:43:11 PM #63:	He's like Dwight Schrute. To quote: They are making me out to be a Bond villian. I like to think of myself as a brilliant scientist who will stop at nothing to remake the world. Likenot Doctor Moreau someone good. Doctor Frankenstein, Doctor Jekyll, not them. Doctor --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:914133255] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>He's like Dwight Schrute. To quote: <quote>They are making me out to be a Bond villian. I like to think of myself as a brilliant scientist who will stop at nothing to remake the world. Likenot Doctor Moreau someone good. Doctor Frankenstein, Doctor Jekyll, not them. Doctor</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 12/14/18 5:44:06 PM #64:	Modern day Tesla turns out to be modern Edison. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:914133294] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Modern day Tesla turns out to be modern Edison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/14/18 5:45:48 PM #65:	shockthemonkey posted... Youre trying so hard to make your narrative not seem ridiculous and it isnt working at all. I have no narrative. I just pointing out for the op example, there is missing important context. Rest of the article Musk does look very bad. I wouldn't work for him if excellence is just a baseline. If he fires random people for answering questions wrong, ya he dumb. Just the op example could have not been that. But since his managers keep people away from him cause of that, it likely was the case. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914133386] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Youre trying so hard to make your narrative not seem ridiculous and it isnt working at all.</quote> I have no narrative. I just pointing out for the op example, there is missing important context. Rest of the article Musk does look very bad. I wouldn't work for him if excellence is just a baseline. If he fires random people for answering questions wrong, ya he dumb. Just the op example could have not been that. But since his managers keep people away from him cause of that, it likely was the case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 12/14/18 5:47:55 PM #66:	shockthemonkey posted... MC_BatCommander posted... idk why people like him, he seems like a real jackass I can see why people want to like him, his companies are working on some amazing shit. --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:914133489] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote>idk why people like him, he seems like a real jackass</quote> I can see why people want to like him, his companies are working on some amazing shit.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cmiller4642 12/14/18 5:49:32 PM #67:	Sounds like some higher up specialist doctors that I've dealt with in my job <cite>cmiller4642 posted [p:914133573] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like some higher up specialist doctors that I've dealt with in my job</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 12/14/18 5:54:38 PM #69:	shockthemonkey posted... I have no narrative doesnt work when you repeatedly posted new narratives. What was my narrative? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914133791] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>I have no narrative doesnt work when you repeatedly posted new narratives. </quote> What was my narrative?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bevan306 12/14/18 5:59:05 PM #71:	I'm starting to think this guy has a bit of an ego --- http://rateyourmusic.com/~bevan https://imgur.com/5Ta28 <cite>bevan306 posted [p:914134011] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>I'm starting to think this guy has a bit of an ego</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/14/18 6:00:18 PM #72:	At work, Musk sometimes seemed almost giddy, occasionally interrupting meetings to insist that his colleagues watch clips of Monty Python episodes on his computer, according to several people. A particular favorite was a skit of aristocrats debating the virtues of words like antelope versus sausage. He would play it more than once, laughing uproariously each time, as his colleagues waited to return to the issues at hand. More concerning to executives were Musks low periods, particularly in the wake of his split from Amber Heard. In the weeks after the first Model 3 handovers, Musk occasionally didnt show up for meetings, or they would be canceled at the last minute, former employees say. Colleagues say they would call him on his cell phone in the morning, to make sure he had started the day. Musk gave bizarre interviews: He described being in severe emotional pain to a writer from Rolling Stone and then asked for dating advice. I will never be happy without having someone, he said. Going to sleep alone kills me. In the months after the handover party, Musk seemed angrier than before, according to multiple people. It started to feel like every day you expected to be fired, said one executive who says he had three supervisors in three days. There was this constant feeling of dread. Some managers feared that by taking on more prominent roles they increased their risk of termination or public humiliation. One former executive described Musk shaming her in front of colleagues. He was shouting that I didnt know what I was doing, that I was an idiot, that hes never worked with someone so incompetent, she told me. In a company with so many male employees, as a woman it was particularly humiliating, she said. ... In May, Musk announced the companys latest earnings in a conference call. He made no effort at civility and no one held him back. When a Wall Street analyst asked Teslas chief financial officer about capital expenditures, Musk responded: Boring. Bonehead questions are not cool. Next? With the next question, he erupted again. These questions are so dry. Theyre killing me! and called upon a YouTube video blogger with an enormous enthusiasm for Tesla to ask questions for the next 20 minutes. (The companys stock price dropped more than 5 percent after the call.) Come summer, news coverage of Tesla was lurching from disaster to disaster. For a long time, Elon would say or do something kind of wacky, and I would get up in front of my team and explain, this is why you shouldnt worry about it, said one executive who had been with Tesla for some years. But eventually it got to where I couldnt apologize anymore. Rumors of Musks behavior made their way to potential hires. One story that numerous people recounted involved a candidate for a retail development position. When he came to his interview with Musk, he wore blue shoes. Musk turned to a colleague and said he didnt like the candidates shoes. The colleague explained the candidates qualifications. But Musk was unmoved; he rejected the candidate. (In a statement, a Tesla spokesperson said that Musk rejected the candidate because his experience wasnt right for Tesla, and the fact that Elon also mentioned in passing that he didnt like the candidates shoes had nothing at all to do with why he wasnt hired.) The story, however, came to be seen as an example of Musks impulsiveness. After hearing about that, you stop recommending to friends they should apply, a former executive told me. You dont want to put friends through that. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:914134071] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><quote>At work, Musk sometimes seemed almost giddy, occasionally interrupting meetings to insist that his colleagues watch clips of Monty Python episodes on his computer, according to several people. A particular favorite was a skit of aristocrats debating the virtues of words like antelope versus sausage. He would play it more than once, laughing uproariously each time, as his colleagues waited to return to the issues at hand. More concerning to executives were Musks low periods, particularly in the wake of his split from Amber Heard. In the weeks after the first Model 3 handovers, Musk occasionally didnt show up for meetings, or they would be canceled at the last minute, former employees say. Colleagues say they would call him on his cell phone in the morning, to make sure he had started the day. Musk gave bizarre interviews: He described being in severe emotional pain to a writer from Rolling Stone and then asked for dating advice. I will never be happy without having someone, he said. Going to sleep alone kills me. In the months after the handover party, Musk seemed angrier than before, according to multiple people. It started to feel like every day you expected to be fired, said one executive who says he had three supervisors in three days. There was this constant feeling of dread. Some managers feared that by taking on more prominent roles they increased their risk of termination or public humiliation. One former executive described Musk shaming her in front of colleagues. He was shouting that I didnt know what I was doing, that I was an idiot, that hes never worked with someone so incompetent, she told me. In a company with so many male employees, as a woman it was particularly humiliating, she said. ... In May, Musk announced the companys latest earnings in a conference call. He made no effort at civility and no one held him back. When a Wall Street analyst asked Teslas chief financial officer about capital expenditures, Musk responded: Boring. Bonehead questions are not cool. Next? With the next question, he erupted again. These questions are so dry. Theyre killing me! and called upon a YouTube video blogger with an enormous enthusiasm for Tesla to ask questions for the next 20 minutes. (The companys stock price dropped more than 5 percent after the call.) Come summer, news coverage of Tesla was lurching from disaster to disaster. For a long time, Elon would say or do something kind of wacky, and I would get up in front of my team and explain, this is why you shouldnt worry about it, said one executive who had been with Tesla for some years. But eventually it got to where I couldnt apologize anymore. Rumors of Musks behavior made their way to potential hires. One story that numerous people recounted involved a candidate for a retail development position. When he came to his interview with Musk, he wore blue shoes. Musk turned to a colleague and said he didnt like the candidates shoes. The colleague explained the candidates qualifications. But Musk was unmoved; he rejected the candidate. (In a statement, a Tesla spokesperson said that Musk rejected the candidate because his experience wasnt right for Tesla, and the fact that Elon also mentioned in passing that he didnt like the candidates shoes had nothing at all to do with why he wasnt hired.) The story, however, came to be seen as an example of Musks impulsiveness. After hearing about that, you stop recommending to friends they should apply, a former executive told me. You dont want to put friends through that.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 12/14/18 6:02:16 PM #73:	Mister_Spyker posted... Ex-Kefiroth posted... Fuck that guy. Hope his crap goes bankrupt He will be continue to grow, as well as his company, in a few decades, after his demise he will not be remembered for this kind of thing. He will be remembered for his contributions to engineering. what contributions exactly. his wealth started with paypal and he has paid people to do the work and design everything. hes just a money man, not a thinker. --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:914134185] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ex-Kefiroth posted...</cite> <quote>Fuck that guy. Hope his crap goes bankrupt</quote> He will be continue to grow, as well as his company, in a few decades, after his demise he will not be remembered for this kind of thing. He will be remembered for his contributions to engineering.</quote> what contributions exactly. his wealth started with paypal and he has paid people to do the work and design everything. hes just a money man, not a thinker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 12/14/18 6:06:46 PM #74:	important people are dicks, more news at 11 --- object oriented intimacy <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:914134418] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>important people are dicks, more news at 11</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 12/14/18 6:10:18 PM #75:	Some of you are seriously overestimating the software that can drive the machines too. I got to play with some software that drives a million dollar open bed CNC machine and it's garbage. During installation Windows warns that the installer is trying to replace important system files in system32. It's a DLL hell problem from Windows 3.1 days. It's pretty much a suite of programs cobbled together into one. The way the DRM hardware key is bizarre and the manufacturer has no idea how it works. The documentation has screenshots for Windows 2000 and has chapters dedicated to explaining the mouse and floppy disks. It doesn't mention the mouse wheel and so the software completely lacks mouse wheel support. It pops up frequent ActiveX errors. For desktop software purchased this year. It's just complete shit. <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:914134607] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Some of you are seriously overestimating the software that can drive the machines too. I got to play with some software that drives a million dollar open bed CNC machine and it's garbage. During installation Windows warns that the installer is trying to replace important system files in system32. It's a DLL hell problem from Windows 3.1 days. It's pretty much a suite of programs cobbled together into one. The way the DRM hardware key is bizarre and the manufacturer has no idea how it works. The documentation has screenshots for Windows 2000 and has chapters dedicated to explaining the mouse and floppy disks. It doesn't mention the mouse wheel and so the software completely lacks mouse wheel support. It pops up frequent ActiveX errors. For desktop software purchased this year. It's just complete shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/14/18 6:16:57 PM #76:	shockthemonkey posted... darkphoenix181 posted... Idk. It seems context is missing here. darkphoenix181 posted... I have no narrative. I just pointing out for the op example, there is missing important context. Oh so while I was wrong, I was at least consistent. Not sure what you think my narrative was but you literally just quoted that I didn't have one. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914134939] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> Idk. It seems context is missing here. </quote> <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I have no narrative. I just pointing out for the op example, there is missing important context.</quote> Oh so while I was wrong, I was at least consistent. Not sure what you think my narrative was but you literally just quoted that I didn't have one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anti-245 12/14/18 6:25:17 PM #78:	Surprised that someone who profited off of apartheid would be less than a stellar person. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:914135348] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Surprised that someone who profited off of apartheid would be less than a stellar person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/14/18 6:28:04 PM #79:	shockthemonkey posted... darkphoenix181 posted... shockthemonkey posted... darkphoenix181 posted... Idk. It seems context is missing here. darkphoenix181 posted... I have no narrative. I just pointing out for the op example, there is missing important context. Oh so while I was wrong, I was at least consistent. Not sure what you think my narrative was but you literally just quoted that I didn't have one. Oh, so you dont know what narrative means. Thats unfortunate. Narrative would imply I had political ties to Elon or alternative reasons for giving him the benefit of doubt. Some purpose or reason besides logic. Like this shiny Telsa he just gifted me. Vroom vroom Except I none of that exists. I was only arguing logic based on just the op quoted story. I wish you would say what you think my narrative was. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914135476] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> Idk. It seems context is missing here. </quote> <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>I have no narrative. I just pointing out for the op example, there is missing important context.</quote> Oh so while I was wrong, I was at least consistent. Not sure what you think my narrative was but you literally just quoted that I didn't have one.</quote> Oh, so you dont know what narrative means. Thats unfortunate.</quote> Narrative would imply I had political ties to Elon or alternative reasons for giving him the benefit of doubt. Some purpose or reason besides logic. Like this shiny Telsa he just gifted me. Vroom vroom Except I none of that exists. I was only arguing logic based on just the op quoted story. I wish you would say what you think my narrative was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 12/14/18 6:30:01 PM #81:	darkphoenix181 posted... Narrative would imply I had political ties to Elon or alternative reasons for giving him the benefit of doubt. Some purpose or reason besides logic. "Having a narrative" doesn't imply anything about your motives. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:914135557] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>Narrative would imply I had political ties to Elon or alternative reasons for giving him the benefit of doubt. Some purpose or reason besides logic.</quote> "Having a narrative" doesn't imply anything about your motives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/14/18 6:37:11 PM #82:	Anteaterking posted... darkphoenix181 posted... Narrative would imply I had political ties to Elon or alternative reasons for giving him the benefit of doubt. Some purpose or reason besides logic. "Having a narrative" doesn't imply anything about your motives. It is political talk for framing a bias. In particular I offered no story but cited a lack of one. I wasn't creating a narrative but saying we could not draw from what was presented a narrative. That is, the story in the op creates a narrative. It also is intended to draw you to conclusion about Musk. If I was making a counter narrative I would try to make him look good and cite people he helped etc. I didn't. I mean, if my narrative is to say maybe we don't have all the facts umm ok? Not a correct assertion but it is benign and close to my intent. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914135901] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>Narrative would imply I had political ties to Elon or alternative reasons for giving him the benefit of doubt. Some purpose or reason besides logic.</quote> "Having a narrative" doesn't imply anything about your motives.</quote> It is political talk for framing a bias. In particular I offered no story but cited a lack of one. I wasn't creating a narrative but saying we could not draw from what was presented a narrative. That is, the story in the op creates a narrative. It also is intended to draw you to conclusion about Musk. If I was making a counter narrative I would try to make him look good and cite people he helped etc. I didn't. I mean, if my narrative is to say maybe we don't have all the facts umm ok? Not a correct assertion but it is benign and close to my intent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 12/14/18 6:52:57 PM #83:	Smart thing to do would be to tell him it was like that when you got there --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:914136630] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Smart thing to do would be to tell him it was like that when you got there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LooksLikeDarko 12/14/18 7:06:55 PM #85:	Well I just added my first person to my ignore list. What a loon <cite>LooksLikeDarko posted [p:914137259] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Well I just added my first person to my ignore list. What a loon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 12/15/18 1:24:13 AM #86:	darkphoenix181 posted... It is political talk for framing a bias. That bias doesn't have to be based on anything that Elon Musk personally did for you though. Like your bias could just be that you're willing to be a bootlicker for anyone you perceive as being attacked by "the left". Or maybe you just like being a contrarian. darkphoenix181 posted... In particular I offered no story but cited a lack of one. I wasn't creating a narrative but saying we could not draw from what was presented a narrative. There isn't a lack of a story. They told a story. You just said "Hey I don't have details x,y,z and so I'm going to assume they were left out because they changed the narrative". But you explicitly created alternative narratives along the way. "Maybe alarms were going off", "Maybe the person who grabbed him told him exactly what Elon wanted but he still decided to be annoying", etc. Your lack of consistency in picking a narrative just says that you are trying to see what can stick, rather than being some statement about the endless possibilities that exist. darkphoenix181 posted... That is, the story in the op creates a narrative. It also is intended to draw you to conclusion about Musk. If I was making a counter narrative I would try to make him look good and cite people he helped etc. I didn't. I mean, if my narrative is to say maybe we don't have all the facts umm ok? Not a correct assertion but it is benign and close to my intent. It paints a picture of Musk that tracks with the other details given in the story. There's support of the story in the form of other details. Also, your "we don't have all of the facts" is just a sliding scale. The idea that you're just a few details about the working of the machine away from believing this story is ridiculous. Do you think this is out of character for Musk? What's the source of your belief that the story is fabricated? --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:914152634] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>It is political talk for framing a bias. </quote> That bias doesn't have to be based on anything that Elon Musk personally did for you though. Like your bias could just be that you're willing to be a bootlicker for anyone you perceive as being attacked by "the left". Or maybe you just like being a contrarian. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>In particular I offered no story but cited a lack of one. I wasn't creating a narrative but saying we could not draw from what was presented a narrative.</quote> There isn't a lack of a story. They told a story. You just said "Hey I don't have details x,y,z and so I'm going to assume they were left out because they changed the narrative". But you explicitly created alternative narratives along the way. "Maybe alarms were going off", "Maybe the person who grabbed him told him exactly what Elon wanted but he still decided to be annoying", etc. Your lack of consistency in picking a narrative just says that you are trying to see what can stick, rather than being some statement about the endless possibilities that exist. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>That is, the story in the op creates a narrative. It also is intended to draw you to conclusion about Musk. If I was making a counter narrative I would try to make him look good and cite people he helped etc. I didn't. I mean, if my narrative is to say maybe we don't have all the facts umm ok? Not a correct assertion but it is benign and close to my intent.</quote> It paints a picture of Musk that tracks with the other details given in the story. There's support of the story in the form of other details. Also, your "we don't have all of the facts" is just a sliding scale. The idea that you're just a few details about the working of the machine away from believing this story is ridiculous. Do you think this is out of character for Musk? What's the source of your belief that the story is fabricated?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 12/15/18 2:18:16 AM #87:	CEOs have to be crazy to get to where they are. Not that that makes it right. In fact, it's suffocating and just plain old wrong most of the time. It's pretty obvious Musk is being highly unreasonable. There shouldn't be anybody defending him, and there's no way a single mistake is worth firing at any point in anybody's life, unless that mistake cost the company millions of dollars singlehandedly. Asking a reasonable question is obviously not that big of a deal. To say otherwise is what can only come from a place of fanboyism or delusion. People discuss, and that's how good things are born. Probably Tesla could reach even higher levels if the workplace isn't incredibly toxic and volatile. Also, the guy went through a billion divorces and is featured on the media and open to endless scrutiny. I'm pretty sure it would make anybody go nuts. Humans aren't designed to deal with this kind of stuff, and Musk is just an example of a guy who's breaking down but barely hanging on to keep a company going. (That is to say, if that's his attitude, it's not a big mystery why nobody can stay married to him. The whole world is his enabler so what kind of lesson would he be expected to learn) --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://i.imgtc.com/7dRrfE1.jpg <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:914154067] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>CEOs have to be crazy to get to where they are. Not that that makes it right. In fact, it's suffocating and just plain old wrong most of the time. It's pretty obvious Musk is being highly unreasonable. There shouldn't be anybody defending him, and there's no way a single mistake is worth firing at any point in anybody's life, unless that mistake cost the company millions of dollars singlehandedly. Asking a reasonable question is obviously not that big of a deal. To say otherwise is what can only come from a place of fanboyism or delusion. People discuss, and that's how good things are born. Probably Tesla could reach even higher levels if the workplace isn't incredibly toxic and volatile. Also, the guy went through a billion divorces and is featured on the media and open to endless scrutiny. I'm pretty sure it would make anybody go nuts. Humans aren't designed to deal with this kind of stuff, and Musk is just an example of a guy who's breaking down but barely hanging on to keep a company going. (That is to say, if that's his attitude, it's not a big mystery why nobody can stay married to him. The whole world is his enabler so what kind of lesson would he be expected to learn)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 12/15/18 2:36:43 AM #88:	Makes me wonder if he is bipolar or something. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:914154496] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Makes me wonder if he is bipolar or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
02fran 12/16/18 7:31:32 PM #89:	Only in America <cite>02fran posted [p:914239408] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Only in America</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gafemage 12/19/18 6:19:34 PM #91:	Musk's new tunnel has been revealed to somewhat polarized reception: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/19/tech/boring-company-tunnel-elon-musk/index.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-inside-boring-company-tunnel-with-gayle-king-spacex/ https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/visionary-brain-genius-elon-musk-has-invented-the-world-1831210269 https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-elon-musk-tunnel-20181218-story.html Also tag --- https://imgur.com/1EOFcjn https://imgur.com/epjd8zk <cite>Gafemage posted [p:914409591] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Musk's new tunnel has been revealed to somewhat polarized reception: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/19/tech/boring-company-tunnel-elon-musk/index.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-inside-boring-company-tunnel-with-gayle-king-spacex/ https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/visionary-brain-genius-elon-musk-has-invented-the-world-1831210269 https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-elon-musk-tunnel-20181218-story.html Also tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rikasa 12/19/18 6:20:51 PM #92:	Eh, the article wasn't that bad. Really trying to make a mountain out of a molehill though I don't doubt that he's an irritable and unfair boss. Didn't convince me why I should care though which is obviously their job. --- you are not alone <cite>rikasa posted [p:914409651] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Eh, the article wasn't that bad. Really trying to make a mountain out of a molehill though I don't doubt that he's an irritable and unfair boss. Didn't convince me why I should care though which is obviously their job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CartmanMustDie 12/21/18 4:25:56 AM #93:	Gafemage posted... Musk's new tunnel has been revealed to somewhat polarized reception: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/19/tech/boring-company-tunnel-elon-musk/index.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-inside-boring-company-tunnel-with-gayle-king-spacex/ https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/visionary-brain-genius-elon-musk-has-invented-the-world-1831210269 https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-elon-musk-tunnel-20181218-story.html Also tag The contrast is great here. "visionary brain genius invented the world" vs "boring company tunnel" lol <cite>CartmanMustDie posted [p:914486870] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gafemage posted...</cite> <quote>Musk's new tunnel has been revealed to somewhat polarized reception: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/19/tech/boring-company-tunnel-elon-musk/index.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-inside-boring-company-tunnel-with-gayle-king-spacex/ https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/visionary-brain-genius-elon-musk-has-invented-the-world-1831210269 https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-elon-musk-tunnel-20181218-story.html Also tag</quote> The contrast is great here. "visionary brain genius invented the world" vs "boring company tunnel" lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/21/18 11:10:57 AM #94:	Musk isn't the first person to try to create a subway in LA, but his design doesn't seem to overcome the catastrophic "one earthquake ruins everything" problem that has prevented any other design from working. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:914497048] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Musk isn't the first person to try to create a subway in LA, but his design doesn't seem to overcome the catastrophic "one earthquake ruins everything" problem that has prevented any other design from working.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 12/21/18 11:12:52 AM #95:	CartmanMustDie posted... The contrast is great here. "visionary brain genius invented the world" vs "boring company tunnel" lol The "visionary brain genius" article is making fun of him --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:914497120] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>CartmanMustDie posted...</cite> <quote>The contrast is great here. "visionary brain genius invented the world" vs "boring company tunnel" lol</quote> The "visionary brain genius" article is making fun of him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NameMeWhatever 12/21/18 11:15:22 AM #96:	I love Elon Musk. People are easily replaceable. <cite>NameMeWhatever posted [p:914497222] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>I love Elon Musk. People are easily replaceable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/21/18 11:16:12 AM #97:	Anteaterking posted... It paints a picture of Musk that tracks with the other details given in the story. There's support of the story in the form of other details. Also, your "we don't have all of the facts" is just a sliding scale. The idea that you're just a few details about the working of the machine away from believing this story is ridiculous. Do you think this is out of character for Musk? What's the source of your belief that the story is fabricated? I don't think he's claiming that the story is false, just that there's a narrative being spun to present only the worst parts of Musk's behavior and make Musk look worse than he really is. If I wrote a documentary about Steve Jobs and only covered things like how he stole Xerox's technology and tried to unfairly patent look and feel and fought tooth and nail against the right to repair and his terrible company PR in response to the problems with iphone models regarding camera and signal and such, and also that he believed in using homeopathy to treat cancer that's be a pretty inaccurate representation of Steve Jobs. He did all those things, but the story is fabrication by what's called "lying by omission" --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:914497255] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>It paints a picture of Musk that tracks with the other details given in the story. There's support of the story in the form of other details. Also, your "we don't have all of the facts" is just a sliding scale. The idea that you're just a few details about the working of the machine away from believing this story is ridiculous. Do you think this is out of character for Musk? What's the source of your belief that the story is fabricated?</quote> I don't think he's claiming that the story is false, just that there's a narrative being spun to present only the worst parts of Musk's behavior and make Musk look worse than he really is. If I wrote a documentary about Steve Jobs and only covered things like how he stole Xerox's technology and tried to unfairly patent look and feel and fought tooth and nail against the right to repair and his terrible company PR in response to the problems with iphone models regarding camera and signal and such, and also that he believed in using homeopathy to treat cancer that's be a pretty inaccurate representation of Steve Jobs. He did all those things, but the story is fabrication by what's called "lying by omission"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/21/18 11:40:50 AM #98:	NameMeWhatever posted... I love Elon Musk. People are easily replaceable. none moreso than ceos --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914498240] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>NameMeWhatever posted...</cite> <quote>I love Elon Musk. People are easily replaceable.</quote> none moreso than ceos</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darksaber310 12/21/18 3:32:55 PM #99:	Man, another story from a leftist rag about a controversial figure doing something completely unconscionable and being a raving psychopath with a clear as day victim told to you by the... Random unnamed "anonymous source" who "overheard". Must be a day ending in y. The article literally trips over names and potential sources. No sources. Unnamed and anonymous. 700 people terminated. No one among that could be gotten for comment? Lulz. Listen and Believe 87 going in in here. We're in remedial lessons. --- Once again snatching defeat, From the jaws of victory. <cite>Darksaber310 posted [p:914509210] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Man, another story from a leftist rag about a controversial figure doing something completely unconscionable and being a raving psychopath with a clear as day victim told to you by the... Random unnamed "anonymous source" who "overheard". Must be a day ending in y. The article literally trips over names and potential sources. No sources. Unnamed and anonymous. 700 people terminated. No one among that could be gotten for comment? Lulz. Listen and Believe 87 going in in here. We're in remedial lessons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/21/18 3:34:37 PM #100:	Uhh oh, it looks like my comments are aging well Ahahaha --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:914509286] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote>Uhh oh, it looks like my comments are aging well Ahahaha</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 12/21/18 4:05:57 PM #101:	darkphoenix181 posted... So all there is in a conversation is words? No visual clues? I think a lot of these guys dont understand that communication includes a lot more than just the actual words being said. Body language, timing, tone, and other cues give us context for interactions, which we can either ignore or use at our discretion. That engineer was also presumably making more pay than a burger flipper at McDonalds, so I would like to think hed be smart enough to not provoke his boss beyond his already agitated state. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:914510659] in Wired does... [t:77302433]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>So all there is in a conversation is words? No visual clues?</quote> I think a lot of these guys dont understand that communication includes a lot more than just the actual words being said. Body language, timing, tone, and other cues give us context for interactions, which we can either ignore or use at our discretion. That engineer was also presumably making more pay than a burger flipper at McDonalds, so I would like to think hed be smart enough to not provoke his boss beyond his already agitated state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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