Poll of the Day > So how bad is this coppa thing going to be?

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From what I understand, the ftc plans to go after content creators of videos featuring animation, music, video games, arts and crafts, toys, and slang. And if they are not kid appropriate charge you 42 grand a video. Is that about right?

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Pretty bad. I don't think content creators will mark things as made for kids since that means they lose money. And no comments on videos. But they use those comments. COPPA sucks. But whatever...
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probably nothing at all will happen, since coppa just mandates that children under the age of 13 have parental consent to having data be collected about their habits.

the recent youtube changes for them being fined over coppa violations are, actually, good, since it means that people can't target children with predatory videos anymore. not that it's going to actually stop them, but it's something.

remember those disturbing spiderman and pregnant elsa live action monstrosities that were seriously not for children in any way despite saying they're made for children?

yeah, due to this, those should completely die out.

this probably isn't going to affect the viewships of anything anyone here watches, unless someone really likes those singalong videos, i guess.

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Bulbasaur posted...

probably nothing at all will happen, since coppa just mandates that children under the age of 13 have parental consent to having data be collected about their habits.

Youtube's changing a bunch of stuff. You'll have to label videos as "made for kids" or "not made for kids". And made for kids videos have lots of stuff taken away. Like Ads, comments, end screens, and info cards. Also, a bunch of the tabs for things like community and notification bells. I think those might be for the channel if the whole thing is set for kids. Also, you can't save to watch later or to a playlist...
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I think I need to curse in my videos more. That way, they aren't kid friendly. I don't wanna be fined $42,000. I mean, I won't pay it, as I can't. But I still don't want to be fined...
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Jesus fuck youtube is run by inbred mongoloids
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

Jesus fuck youtube is run by inbred mongoloids

I guess they're worried about losing money in court again. So they pass the buck to the content creators. The problem is that they'll be trying out that automated system again to help. So, the machine might try to say something kid friendly isn't kid friendly, and vice versa. And if you keep labeling it wrong (both label kid friendly as not, and not kid friendly as being kid friendly), you'll be marked for abusing the system and face penalties. Which sucks if you want comments on you videos, but it gets marked kid friendly...
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https://youtu.be/0veLrwd9CK4

This is interesting, but not sure how accurate it is.

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slacker03150 posted...

https://youtu.be/0veLrwd9CK4

This is interesting, but not sure how accurate it is.

I think this is the video most youtubers are using for their videos...

Also, heres link about new stuff happening to YouTube. I think its for content creators:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-JzXiSkoFKw

And heres a video from another guy talking about it:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sGBZrygXG60
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My main uses for YouTube
Streamers - appearently video games target kids, so these could become demonitized. How do you decide which streamers target kids and which ones don't. Better yet, how does a government bureaucracy Decide?

Animation - appearently all animation is for kids, so finding new shorts, graduation projects, abridged series, animation news and fan animatics could be in trouble.

News and politics - I don't think this will affect them much, but YouTube does what it can to suppress nonmainstream channels so I wouldn't be surprised if it hit them in some way.

Educational - education is for everyone. Right now I'm using videos to teach me to sew and knit, but I also watch a lot of other random educational videos.


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slacker03150 posted...

My main uses for YouTube
Streamers - appearently video games target kids, so these could become demonitized. How do you decide which streamers target kids and which ones don't. Better yet, how does a government bureaucracy Decide?

Animation - appearently all animation is for kids, so finding new shorts, graduation projects, abridged series, animation news and fan animatics could be in trouble.

News and politics - I don't think this will affect them much, but YouTube does what it can to suppress nonmainstream channels so I wouldn't be surprised if it hit them in some way.

Educational - education is for everyone. Right now I'm using videos to teach me to sew and knit, but I also watch a lot of other random educational videos.

Streamers - Thats one of the main problems. Animations are for kids, apparently. It what about my game rate for teens, or mature?

Animation - Which is ridiculous, because some are most definitely not for kids...

News and Politics - I can see them deleted these channels soon. Especially since they said they were basically going to delete some channels soon...

Educational - Yeah. This one will hurt. Though, the problem becomes what the video is about. But because the people who decide whether its for kids on not dont really know anything, people will get screwed...
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Has COPPA not been a thing for a long time now?
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Has COPPA not been a thing for a long time now?

It has. But they apparently get together every 10 years or so to go over the rules. They apparently switched things up and did something in 2013. So they werent suppose to get together again until 2023. I guess some Karens got together and wanted them to do something. So, they got together recently. And want to make some new changes. After suing youtube and stuff...

The video slacker posted on the first page explains it...
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Makes sense, 10 years is an eternity on the internet.
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My brother has been flipping the fuck out over this all day. I think he deleted all the videos off all his channels or something? No idea why because he just uploads speedruns.
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papercup posted...

My brother has been flipping the fuck out over this all day. I think he deleted all the videos off all his channels or something? No idea why because he just uploads speedruns.

Probably didnt know whether to put for kids or not for kids. Animations are for kids. If the game was rated higher, then they arent for kids. So he doesnt know where to put it. And if you are caught in violation of the rules, you get charged up to like $42,000. So people are worried...
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Traditional media has been trying to kill YouTube for a long time so that they can control the online content creation pipeline. It's just that with the current government, a lot of things that wouldn't have flown in the past are now on the table.

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How much did Disney pay for this do you think?

Disney+ timing.

slacker03150 posted...

So how bad is this coppa thing going to be?

Worse than the apologists claim, not as terrible as the doomsayers complain it will.
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It's not a big enough part of the government to reasonably police youtube.

Unless your channel is particularly egregious it wont get hit
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Blighboy posted...

It's not a big enough part of the government to reasonably police youtube.

Unless your channel is particularly egregious it wont get hit

The government isn't actually what you need to worry about.

The worry is that YouTube will decide to police themselves with yet another shit algorithm/bot that constantly mis-flags innocent videos while letting the actual offenders get away with terrible behavior, which is pretty much what it does now for any number of things. And that the appeals process will be broken as fuck and generally screw over content creators because that's easier to do than actually hiring competent employees who can quickly sift through moderation queues.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Blighboy posted...

It's not a big enough part of the government to reasonably police youtube.

Unless your channel is particularly egregious it wont get hit

The government isn't actually what you need to worry about.

The worry is that YouTube will decide to police themselves with yet another shit algorithm/bot that constantly mis-flags innocent videos while letting the actual offenders get away with terrible behavior, which is pretty much what it does now for any number of things. And that the appeals process will be broken as fuck and generally screw over content creators because that's easier to do than actually hiring competent employees who can quickly sift through moderation queues.

Apparently, thy are using the bot. But in the end, what YouTube thinks doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is what the FTC thinks... Though, I don't think it will last long before things go bad with the fines. Because the FTC doesn't seem to think their are cartoons and game for adults because they haven't updated the policy or whatever since 1998 or something... As the current rules say animation and video games are classified as for children, even though many games are rated T and M, IIRC...
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LinkPizza posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Blighboy posted...

It's not a big enough part of the government to reasonably police youtube.

Unless your channel is particularly egregious it wont get hit

The government isn't actually what you need to worry about.

The worry is that YouTube will decide to police themselves with yet another shit algorithm/bot that constantly mis-flags innocent videos while letting the actual offenders get away with terrible behavior, which is pretty much what it does now for any number of things. And that the appeals process will be broken as fuck and generally screw over content creators because that's easier to do than actually hiring competent employees who can quickly sift through moderation queues.

Apparently, thy are using the bot. But in the end, what YouTube thinks doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is what the FTC thinks... Though, I don't think it will last long before things go bad with the fines. Because the FTC doesn't seem to think their are cartoons and game for adults because they haven't updated the policy or whatever since 1998 or something... As the current rules say animation and video games are classified as for children, even though many games are rated T and M, IIRC...

The FTC thinks that YT has gone a bit too far with their new rules.
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Hop103 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Blighboy posted...

It's not a big enough part of the government to reasonably police youtube.

Unless your channel is particularly egregious it wont get hit

The government isn't actually what you need to worry about.

The worry is that YouTube will decide to police themselves with yet another shit algorithm/bot that constantly mis-flags innocent videos while letting the actual offenders get away with terrible behavior, which is pretty much what it does now for any number of things. And that the appeals process will be broken as fuck and generally screw over content creators because that's easier to do than actually hiring competent employees who can quickly sift through moderation queues.

Apparently, thy are using the bot. But in the end, what YouTube thinks doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is what the FTC thinks... Though, I don't think it will last long before things go bad with the fines. Because the FTC doesn't seem to think their are cartoons and game for adults because they haven't updated the policy or whatever since 1998 or something... As the current rules say animation and video games are classified as for children, even though many games are rated T and M, IIRC...

The FTC thinks that YT has gone a bit too far with their new rules.

Really? I havent seen anything like that, so Idk. What I did remember was the FTC starting off their speech or whatever by saying they would fine everyone. So, it seems unlikely they would think that. But maybe...
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LinkPizza posted...

But in the end, what YouTube thinks doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is what the FTC thinks.

Untrue.

The problem isn't that the FTC is going to demand certain things from YouTube that YT will be forced to implement. The problem is that YouTube may (and likely will, based on prior experience) implement their own requirements which go far beyond what the FTC expects, and which will in turn be poorly managed to the point of fucking over thousands of completely innocent people.

YouTube has a history of overreacting to things, in the desperate hope that large advertisers won't pull ad revenue, and then enforcing them in the worst possible way because they're lazy and inept. And every time they go through one of these little crises, a few more content providers wind up dropping off, or being forced to turn their entire channel into a Patreon-funded system, or just switching over to something like Twitch. Which is bad for content providers, but it's also bad for the people who enjoy watching those content providers.

We're not quite at the point where everything is now completely fucked forever, but there's definitely the possibility that this could be an absolute catastrophe for tons of content creators who shouldn't even remotely be affected by it. It all really depends on whether YouTube is competent enough to actually define whether or not content is actually realistically for kids, and handles things in a way that isn't a complete clusterfuck (in spite of "clusterfuck" being the accurate description of most of their previous attempts to make the platform more family/advertiser friendly).
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Cartoon porn: safe for kids

Cartoon avatars giving mature education about science: NOT SAFE
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

LinkPizza posted...

But in the end, what YouTube thinks doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is what the FTC thinks.

Untrue.

The problem isn't that the FTC is going to demand certain things from YouTube that YT will be forced to implement. The problem is that YouTube may (and likely will, based on prior experience) implement their own requirements which go far beyond what the FTC expects, and which will in turn be poorly managed to the point of fucking over thousands of completely innocent people.

YouTube has a history of overreacting to things, in the desperate hope that large advertisers won't pull ad revenue, and then enforcing them in the worst possible way because they're lazy and inept. And every time they go through one of these little crises, a few more content providers wind up dropping off, or being forced to turn their entire channel into a Patreon-funded system, or just switching over to something like Twitch. Which is bad for content providers, but it's also bad for the people who enjoy watching those content providers.

We're not quite at the point where everything is now completely fucked forever, but there's definitely the possibility that this could be an absolute catastrophe for tons of content creators who shouldn't even remotely be affected by it. It all really depends on whether YouTube is competent enough to actually define whether or not content is actually realistically for kids, and handles things in a way that isn't a complete clusterfuck (in spite of "clusterfuck" being the accurate description of most of their previous attempts to make the platform more family/advertiser friendly).

From what youtube said themselves (IIRC), they will use their machine to help people place the video where they think it should go. But they then said that it would ultimately be up to you to make sure it's in the corect spot. They said you could send feedback on why it belongs in a certain place. But the way they were talking about it made it seem like they would help you, but not be responsible in the FTC decided that it was wrong. From what I saw and heard, IIRC. This was some days ago, so I could have mis-remembered it. But it seems like the FTC has the final say. And they might not agree with youtube. And if they don't, then what youtube says really doesn't matter.

And I know youtube is lazy and poorly managed. Especially lately with the banning of people's whole accounts and with the way they will delete channels soon. But that makes it seem more like they wouldn't care as long as their asses are covered by shifting blame toward the content providers... Which can be hard to do if it's up to youtube to put things in the correct place...

It really sucks because I like watching certain creators on youtube, but many may leave. And some will be hard to find if they are for children, since it's like they are going to basically hide those. And not being able to leave comments kind of suck, as well. You'll have to have multiple types of media to talk to certain creators... But I don't think the machine will work well because it will probably use certain parts of the video to choose, when the whole video needs to be taken into consideration...

Lokarin posted...

Cartoon porn: safe for kids

Cartoon avatars giving mature education about science: NOT SAFE

Yep!
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I only use my channel to view videos. Haven't uploaded anything but comments yet.
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DiduXD posted...

I only use my channel to view videos. Haven't uploaded anything but comments yet.

Soon, you won't be able to do that on certain videos. Anything that's "For kids" won't be able to have comments... Which was because of certain people leaving comments on those videos... Apparently...
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LinkPizza posted...

DiduXD posted...

I only use my channel to view videos. Haven't uploaded anything but comments yet.

Soon, you won't be able to do that on certain videos. Anything that's "For kids" won't be able to have comments...

Eh, that I can just comment how I felt about that video on a different one. YT comments generally go off topic after about an hour of a video being up.
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DiduXD posted...

LinkPizza posted...

DiduXD posted...

I only use my channel to view videos. Haven't uploaded anything but comments yet.

Soon, you won't be able to do that on certain videos. Anything that's "For kids" won't be able to have comments...

Eh, that I can just comment how I felt about that video on a different one. YT comments generally go off topic after about an hour of a video being up.

True for some. Some doo pretty well, though. Some comments are even there to help a youtuber on a certain games. Or to vote on the next game they play. Plus, while they can add the vote thing at the top, that doesn't help when trying to find new games that your viewers want. Which they did through comments...
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