Poll of the Day > A TFW Brought COVID to My Region

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zebatov posted...

Im glad to know that its basically only PotD that doesnt agree with me. Cant count how many people brought this exact story up today at work, and we all agree.

Your workplace is an echo chamber of ignorance.

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zebatov posted...

Trudeau invited people from foreign countries with high cases of COVID to take jobs from us

lol

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zebatov posted...

False.

So you keep saying, but you're really not convincing anyone that you have a legitimate point.

zebatov posted...

Those people are on visitor visas.

And? The shape of the stamp in their passport doesn't change how contagious they have the potential to be. Anyone coming in - for any reason and from any place - should be isolating, and anyone who doesn't is a threat to public health.

zebatov posted...

I dont think anyone should be crossing any borders unchecked.

Checking doesn't amount to much, as much as it seems like a good idea. You'll catch the ones that are currently symptomatic, which is better than nothing, but you won't catch anyone that's incubating it and will become contagious at some point in the coming days. What's needed is two weeks of isolation upon arrival, regardless of test results or symptoms (well, unless symptoms necessitate hospitalization, obviously, though even then they end up isolated). That's the only way to actually prevent people from bringing in new cases.

zebatov posted...

Im glad to know that its basically only PotD that doesnt agree with me. Cant count how many people brought this exact story up today at work, and we all agree.

Well, if a bunch of your coworkers agree with you, then it must be a universal truth! How silly of PotD to suggest otherwise!

(That was sarcasm, by the way)

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I never said it was only co-workers. Its actually a large majority of people. The mindset that a lot of PotD apparently has is a small, insignificant portion of the population in Canada, thank God.

Accrovideogames posted...

Your workplace is an echo chamber of ignorance.

Yeah its actually most people I talk to, so...

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zebatov posted...

The mindset that a lot of PotD apparently has is a small, insignificant portion of the population in Canada, thank God.

Are you living in some alternate reality where the people's party got more than 16 votes

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Are you living in some alternate reality where the people's party got more than 16 votes

Hey for a party that just started they got close to 300,000 votes. Green party's first year was around 20,000 votes only... and the PPC's first year probably beats all total votes from ( 1930s to current ) the Communist party of Canada.

zebatov posted...

Yeah its actually most people I talk to, so...

Well, if most people in your circle of friends agree, then it must be a universal truth! How silly of PotD to suggest otherwise!

(That was sarcasm, by the way)

xjayguyx posted...

Hey for a party that just started they got close to 300,000 votes. Green party's first year was around 20,000 votes only...

That's not overly unexpected. Fundamentally, the Green Party is based on the philosophy of telling everyone they suck and need to do better and make sacrifices for the sake of the greater good. That's not a popular position, especially not in the 80's (environmentalism has become much less niche since then). The PPC, on the other hand, is based on a philosophy of telling a small subset of Canadians what they want to hear (that the country's problems can be blamed largely on crazy progressive principles like treating immigrants as legitimate people), which is going to be very popular among that subset (especially where said subset has generally been ignored by everyone else).

Quite simply, the PPC didn't perform poorly because they were new. They performed poorly because the vast majority of Canada doesn't care about what they have to offer. Their voter base is united by ideologies that have been trying and failing to gain traction for decades, which means they aren't likely to gain much by way of popularity moving forward because those ideologies are still going to be struggling in the next election, and the one after that.

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adjl posted...

Well, if most people in your circle of friends agree, then it must be a universal truth! How silly of PotD to suggest otherwise!

(That was sarcasm, by the way)

That's not overly unexpected. Fundamentally, the Green Party is based on the philosophy of telling everyone they suck and need to do better and make sacrifices for the sake of the greater good. That's not a popular position, especially not in the 80's (environmentalism has become much less niche since then). The PPC, on the other hand, is based on a philosophy of telling a small subset of Canadians what they want to hear (that the country's problems can be blamed largely on crazy progressive principles like treating immigrants as legitimate people), which is going to be very popular among that subset (especially where said subset has generally been ignored by everyone else).

Quite simply, the PPC didn't perform poorly because they were new. They performed poorly because the vast majority of Canada doesn't care about what they have to offer. Their voter base is united by ideologies that have been trying and failing to gain traction for decades, which means they aren't likely to gain much by way of popularity moving forward because those ideologies are still going to be struggling in the next election, and the one after that.

The only thing about immigration I seen from the PPC is that they want to slow it down. And in times like these I believe that's a good idea.

Can you show me where they dont feel immigrants should be treated like people?

Of all the tools we have to combat this epidemic, nationalism is turning out to be the least effective.

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xjayguyx posted...

Can you show me where they dont feel immigrants should be treated like people?

The part where the height of their anti-immigration rhetoric came in direct response to the country responding to a massive refugee crisis, perhaps? Nothing says "dehumanizing" like disparaging the idea of saving people from war-torn hell, after all.

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adjl posted...

The part where the height of their anti-immigration rhetoric came in direct response to the country responding to a massive refugee crisis, perhaps? Nothing says "dehumanizing" like disparaging the idea of saving people from war-torn hell, after all.

That doesn't tell me that they don't feel they are human, that tells me that they feel Canada can't afford to take in so many immigrants/refugees.. and well we can't.. we stuck how many in hotels at tax payer costs and how many are still in said hotels? That's a massive shitshow from top to bottom right there. And I'm not a globalist extremist so I can get behind this. I feel Canada should only help on the level that the nutball globalists are doing now, when Canada is in Excellent shape to do so. We are not even close to said shape to do so.

adjl posted...

The part where the height of their anti-immigration rhetoric came in direct response to the country responding to a massive refugee crisis, perhaps? Nothing says "dehumanizing" like disparaging the idea of saving people from war-torn hell, after all.

Meanwhile actual people from there were saying it wasnt as bad as MSM were showing. The entire country wasnt in turmoil.

And I never said it was a circle of my friends. Whats with you guys and assuming anything other than whats been written?

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This is what theyll be staying in, btw. The rooms are about 6x8.

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adjl posted...

Quite simply, the PPC didn't perform poorly because they were new. They performed poorly because the vast majority of Canada doesn't care about what they have to offer.

Which reinforces my belief that the left here does not actually care about Canada, because PPCs platform was entirely pro-Canada. The reason many voted for Scheer is the age-old If I dont vote for him, Trudeau will definitely win. Unfortunately, Ontario and Quebec, which historically vote left, have an unfair number of seats. They can almost never lose.

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xjayguyx posted...

That doesn't tell me that they don't feel they are human, that tells me that they feel Canada can't afford to take in so many immigrants/refugees.. and well we can't.

We did, and the country didn't fall apart for it. The joys of empiricism, huh?

zebatov posted...

And I never said it was a circle of my friends. Whats with you guys and assuming anything other than whats been written?

You discuss politics and epidemiology with people outside of your circle of friends? Presuming, of course, that "circle of friends" includes coworkers with whom you're on cordial terms (already mentioned) and family members (I would consider that implicit, but not actually stated). Personally, I'd call that a pretty reasonable inference, given that the alternative is to assume that you've discussed these matters with a randomly selected representative sample of strangers, and that would be hard to believe even if you had explicitly claimed that.

zebatov posted...

This is what theyll be staying in, btw. The rooms are about 6x8.

And those buildings are typically owned by the employers and the workers are required to pay rent for living in them, quite dramatically reducing what the employer ends up effectively paying them (since they get a large chunk of the money back). That is one of the more glaring issues with the TFW program, and has been since its inception. It was bad that Harper allowed it, and it's also bad that Trudeau hasn't fixed it since taking over, since it's so flagrantly abusive to the workers.

Until such a time as legislation is introduced to establish minimum standards, though, your ire is probably better directed at the employers that subject their workers to such conditions, rather than at the absence of laws prohibiting such behaviour. That is, after all, where the actual abuse lies. Legislation will hopefully come in due course, but for now, try to focus on the actual cause.

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Lokarin posted...

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"They're all lying even though my son has it"
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Revelation34 posted...

"They're all lying even though my son has it"

No, he had a change of heart when his son got it. He was a conspiracy nutcase up until he got a wake up call. He idiotically believed that COVID-19 was a hoax until his son got infected. He admitted that COVID-19 was real after having called it a hoax for a long time. Trump even retweeted his conspiracy delusions in the hope of gaining votes from the uneducated conspiracy theorists. Trump only cares about his reelection. If the world has to burn so that he remains in power, he will make sure it burns.

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